Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#178004 Sep 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Man, are you ever locked into the stupid zone.
You think the fathers of modern science didn't have brains?
As it is, you should try it, because you really have nothing to give up.
Hey, you could even ask for a brain.
Ok now I know what your problem is...you've been asking your sugar daddy for a brain.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#178005 Sep 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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LOL...now that's funny :) Yes...when I believed in god I did expect that what his word said was true, however I didn't think of him as a sugar daddy, but that was a good example of what most people expect him to be lol.
When you get into the religious stuff you first learn the stories. Then you work things out in your head. You have doubts, etc. Then you see different meanings as you mature and gain more life experience and develop your own personal understanding and relationship. At least in Christianity. This same process works in your profession or line of work. You get the rudiments, then you start gaining experience, then you settle in as a master of it.

What looked simple when you first saw it gets more complex, then you learn to pick through the complexity where you can understand it and really apply your knowledge.

Or you can be an idiot and read books and watch TV for your "learning" for the rest of your life.

Topix atheists tend to this everyone is supposed to pass. Equality of man and uber liberal politics. Social promotion for just existing. They used to, before neo-atheism took hold, believe that God didn't make junk.

That isn't the way things work in nature, or in deityville.

Humans are raw material. A high failure rate in QA.

Do not forget the story goes man was kicked out into the wilderness. He has to struggle and prove his worth on an individual basis. Just like a sunflower seed does.

The material self is a winnowing process to something better.

Or something like that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#178006 Sep 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Ok now I know what your problem is...you've been asking your sugar daddy for a brain.
I was issued one at birth. Perhaps yours fell out when they first spanked your bottom.

My "sugar daddy" has given me a lot more bitter stuff than sugar, by an exponential ratio. But that was good. A deeper life experience, and one that won't be holding me back when it comes time to go again.

Sugar is evil in excess.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023683...

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#178007 Sep 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I was issued one at birth. Perhaps yours fell out when they first spanked your bottom.
My "sugar daddy" has given me a lot more bitter stuff than sugar, by an exponential ratio. But that was good. A deeper life experience, and one that won't be holding me back when it comes time to go again.
Sugar is evil in excess.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023683...
lol You got it deom ya sugar daddy huh?? hahahah

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178008 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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What proof do you have that people do not have souls?
Do you have scientific evidence to support your claim?
You think people have souls based on what you read in the bible. Well, guess who wrote the bible.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178009 Sep 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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No, but we could probably find him/her somewhere. Actually speak to, hear, see, touch, hell even smell lol
I couldn’t have said it any better.

“Could probably find him/her somewhere.”

What does that require,“to find?” That would require effort and some investigating.

Might even require you to go somewhere and knock on a few doors.

But the architect is not going to be found standing around at the bridge he/she designed just so you could meet them.

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#178010 Sep 21, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Yup. <quoted text> Do your own research. Regarding disease in the Old most of what is written has to do with prevention. Healthy eating, sexual, sanitation. Disease was the result of leaving God or living ungodly lives which included unhealthy sexual practices, eating the wrong foods and a host of other unhealthy practices. This might help although i doubt you are really looking for answers.
http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/tw0172_health....
You did not answer my question about bee stings and peanut allergies. If these afflictions are not caused by man, the bible must present a cure. God cares about us, right? So what do we do for a bee sting allergy or peanut allergy, according to your good book?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178011 Sep 21, 2013
Redoran wrote:
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You think people have souls based on what you read in the bible. Well, guess who wrote the bible.
After reading your comment, my thought went back to Helen Keller (June 27, 1880 – June 1, 1968). The famous author who went deaf and blind at 1.5 years old.

Helen Keller wrote a letter to a Rev Phillips Brooks. In this letter she says she knew there was a God but didn’t know his name. As a fact she didn’t know the name of anything. She knew, even in the silent darkness there was a God.

If she had been an Atheist and wrote she did not believe in a God and men don’t have souls. Atheist would be all over that. Using her comments to their advantage. But here was a woman shut out of the world with the exception of feeling. And she knew there was a God.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#178012 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>I couldn’t have said it any better.

“Could probably find him/her somewhere.”

What does that require,“to find?” That would require effort and some investigating.

Might even require you to go somewhere and knock on a few doors.

But the architect is not going to be found standing around at the bridge he/she designed just so you could meet them.
There is no way to do that with a deity that does not reveal themselves in any of those ways when they are sought out.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178013 Sep 21, 2013
Redoran wrote:
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You did not answer my question about bee stings and peanut allergies. If these afflictions are not caused by man, the bible must present a cure. God cares about us, right? So what do we do for a bee sting allergy or peanut allergy, according to your good book?
In all of Jesus ministry. He never once criticized a medical doctor. Nor did he scorn people for going to see one.

In fact one of the early disciples who worked with the Apostle Paul was a physician. It is believed Luke even treated Paul as a patient. He was described as the “beloved physician,” by Paul.

Dr. Luke went on to write one of the four gospels in the New Testament. The book of Luke.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178014 Sep 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I have. Praying is just talking to yourself.
And that's all it ever is.
All I can say it has always worked for me. Not just once but lots of times.

I first started praying to God as a little kid in church. We had one of those long winded preachers. I would pray earnestly for God to make him shut up. Almost to the point of begging God, lol….

I had more important things to do like play baseball with the local kids or go bike riding with the gang.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#178015 Sep 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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There is no way to do that with a deity that does not reveal themselves in any of those ways when they are sought out.
Oooooooh yes there is, for sure. But it requires effort and there is the problem.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178016 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I couldn’t have said it any better.
“Could probably find him/her somewhere.”
What does that require,“to find?” That would require effort and some investigating.
Might even require you to go somewhere and knock on a few doors.
But the architect is not going to be found standing around at the bridge he/she designed just so you could meet them.
The problem with you?

Is that you **assume** that atheists haven't tried to find your -ahem- "architect"....

... I was a Genuine Christian™ for more than 40 years-- during that time, I searched for this "architect" of yours.

It was from reading the whole bible-- all of it-- not just the pretty bits (which are scant enough).

From reading that? I discovered how ugly the bible really is.

There is no way, that the ugly bible can be inspired from **anything** that is even a little good.

No way.

Thus? The bible is not divine.

*poof* there goes god ... gone in a flash.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178017 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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After reading your comment, my thought went back to Helen Keller (June 27, 1880 – June 1, 1968). The famous author who went deaf and blind at 1.5 years old.
Helen Keller wrote a letter to a Rev Phillips Brooks. In this letter she says she knew there was a God but didn’t know his name. As a fact she didn’t know the name of anything. She knew, even in the silent darkness there was a God.
If she had been an Atheist and wrote she did not believe in a God and men don’t have souls. Atheist would be all over that. Using her comments to their advantage. But here was a woman shut out of the world with the exception of feeling. And she knew there was a God.
That proves nothing. Ms Keller was raised in and around True Believers™ all her life. When the breakthrough finally came, and she learned to communicate? Everyone around her spoke of and about god.

On the other hand? If the first thing she spoke of, when learning to communicate, was god?

THEN.

And **ONLY** then would your example be evidence.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178018 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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In all of Jesus ministry. He never once criticized a medical doctor. Nor did he scorn people for going to see one.
In fact one of the early disciples who worked with the Apostle Paul was a physician. It is believed Luke even treated Paul as a patient. He was described as the “beloved physician,” by Paul.
Dr. Luke went on to write one of the four gospels in the New Testament. The book of Luke.
No... that has been discredited. This "luke" character wasn't the **actual** author of Luke. Rather, that book was written by someone using his name, to increase the credibility.

Sorry.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178019 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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All I can say it has always worked for me. Not just once but lots of times.
Self-fulfilling "prophecy".

I used to believe praying worked myself-- then, I began to realize I was lying to myself.

But that was years later, after I lost my faith.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#178020 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
I first started praying to God as a little kid in church. We had one of those long winded preachers. I would pray earnestly for God to make him shut up. Almost to the point of begging God, lol….
I had more important things to do like play baseball with the local kids or go bike riding with the gang.
I have strong memories of sitting in church as a child, listening to the sermons.

There was a flash of insight, though, during one sermon: I was in my early teens, listening to the preacher go on and on about a subject he had no clue of: planetary science.

I have always loved science-- I followed NASA as a child, and avidly watched all the moon stuff on TV.

But that moment? The preacher was flat wrong in his sermon-- he had all the planets' orbits wrong, he was clueless about orbital dynamics.

And I had a flash of insight: this preacher could not **possibly** be a "man of god": HE WAS LYING. FROM THE PULPIT.

There was no excuse, either-- his lies were so blatantly WRONG. Any Junior High science textbook could have set him straight.

And that was likely the FIRST step down the road of no more faith.

What sort of god would allow such BLATANT LIES, from a representative of god?

Hmmm?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#178021 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>Oooooooh yes there is, for sure. But it requires effort and there is the problem.
You are talking to me as if for 27 years I was being a Christian "wrong". I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. Even if effort is made there is no evidence of a god...there is only the thin thread of faith and hope that you are correct that you cling to (as did I).

“Miles from Nowhere”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#178022 Sep 21, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Try praying about it. Either way you will find out eventually. Be patient.
Stop, you're scaring me.

Do you like spiders? Big spiders?

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#178023 Sep 21, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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If you go to a span bridge near your home and look at it do you see the architect standing around there?
i can check in a book who designed the bridge and even look at the original blueprints

you have nothing on your invisible skydaddy

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