Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#177865 Sep 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You are so limited in your scientific vision.

Science does nothing but provide an explanation for the methodology of the assembly of this existence. That is all it can do from this end of the process.

Belief that it all came about out of random events, out of pre-existing stuff is purely a subjective religious belief.

Modern electronics proves there is a creator involved. We use the bipolarity of it to create devices, and even computational capabilities. You would like to believe that harnessing of energy is something, created devices of this universe, us, came up with all on our own.

Our technological ability has its origin in our own creation.
Good point, if design does not need a designer then I see no reason why an iPhone 5 shouldn't form itself out if my old CD player, given the magic of time of course...

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#177866 Sep 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so limited in your scientific vision.
Science does nothing but provide an explanation for the methodology of the assembly of this existence. That is all it can do from this end of the process.
Belief that it all came about out of random events, out of pre-existing stuff is purely a subjective religious belief.
Modern electronics proves there is a creator involved. We use the bipolarity of it to create devices, and even computational capabilities. You would like to believe that harnessing of energy is something, created devices of this universe, us, came up with all on our own.
Our technological ability has its origin in our own creation.
I did not say random events did anything Dave.
Though random events do occur and are responsible for many things.
It is a purely random event when atoms decay, it is a process creating a new condition that spawns another process.
I will said conditions , set processes in motion IE: the fundamental forces and the supply of molecules created from them. Led to more and more processes, creating new conditions and new processes.
These became more and more complicated. But nature and the cosmos can be explained by natural conditions and processes.

Electronics is proof that nature created life that evolved into a discoverer and creator of things, using these conditions and processes , who can cleverly manipulate them together in designs beyond what nature can do. But it still isn't evidence we are a creation of a mythological being.

“ad victoriam”

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#177867 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Your primary assumptions drive your beliefs, not the evidence.
You have already been given enough evidence so that you are without excuse by God Himself, both internally and externally, but you deny that because you want to be God.
In that you are not unique, you share the same problem as the rest if humanity.
Again you fail, I have no such belief's and have made no assumptions.
It is the empirical evidence that drives a scientific explanation.
Unfortunately the evidence does not support "your" beliefs.
Indeed it is all your belief and none of the evidence that drives your own beliefs further than the evidence allows.
It is "your belief" that a gear was created by design, and not rise from an evolutionary process that had the need of it.

Co-author Gregory Sutton, now at the University of Bristol, said: "We usually think of gears as something that we see in human-designed machinery, but we've found that that is only because we didn't look hard enough.

"These gears are not designed, they are evolved – representing high-speed and precision machinery evolved for synchronisation in the animal world."

The gears are only found in juvenile insects and are lost as they pass into adulthood.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/1...

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#177868 Sep 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>I did not say random events did anything Dave.
Though random events do occur and are responsible for many things.
It is a purely random event when atoms decay, it is a process creating a new condition that spawns another process.
I will said conditions , set processes in motion IE: the fundamental forces and the supply of molecules created from them. Led to more and more processes, creating new conditions and new processes.
These became more and more complicated. But nature and the cosmos can be explained by natural conditions and processes.

Electronics is proof that nature created life that evolved into a discoverer and creator of things, using these conditions and processes , who can cleverly manipulate them together in designs beyond what nature can do. But it still isn't evidence we are a creation of a mythological being.
Yet the most complex machines you can see cannot be created because of your pre commitment to a denial of Gods existence at any cost.

Your need to deny Him is so strong, what you are really saying is you do not have a strong enough incentive to hand the throne of your life to your Creator.

You will hide behind anything, including the joke of evolution, to protect your throne.

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#177869 Sep 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Again you fail, I have no such belief's and have made no assumptions.
It is the empirical evidence that drives a scientific explanation.
Unfortunately the evidence does not support "your" beliefs.
Indeed it is all your belief and none of the evidence that drives your own beliefs further than the evidence allows.
It is "your belief" that a gear was created by design, and not rise from an evolutionary process that had the need of it.

Co-author Gregory Sutton, now at the University of Bristol, said: "We usually think of gears as something that we see in human-designed machinery, but we've found that that is only because we didn't look hard enough.

"These gears are not designed, they are evolved – representing high-speed and precision machinery evolved for synchronisation in the animal world."

The gears are only found in juvenile insects and are lost as they pass into adulthood.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/1...
What do you use to gauge the evidence?

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#177870 Sep 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>That is a true statement. We are all slaves to our frame of mind. The difference between you and most other people is you have an overwhelming theme. Your bad comprehension skills are due to, the fact you can't break away from your hatred of religions that are based on Jesus. My opinion is if you were raised in an Atheist society, face the same order of events from atheist you faced from Christians, which would be possible. You would now be an atheist hater. Here in New Jersey we have many Eastern Europeans that are such. I could go to a local bar bring up Atheism or communism and it would cause a frenzy. I think they would physically attack you if you went rambling on. In your case this hatred has taken over your mind. What makes those upset Eastern Europeans more stable than you is, I would have to bring it up. I honestly don't see it as the topic of choice for them. Carpentry is.
You don't think that there is anything wrong with someone who would physically attack someone just for talking about something that they may not like, but you think there is something wrong with someone just simply not believing in a god?

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#177871 Sep 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>Not really. I think out of all fates of souls atheism offers the worse. As someone that believes you do design your own fate, with your faith, because the human mind is that powerful. I would rather suffer a drug addiction then be an atheist. I do understand Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and other groups that do go out and recruit for their faith. Atheism should not be a religion that recruits. An effort to spread your thoughts and beliefs is a religious action. Every time and Atheist does this he proves he is a person of religion. An atheist that does not recruit, is every thing Atheist here have posted atheist are or are not. I see a recruiting Atheist as a cult member.
An effort to spread your thought and or beliefs is a human right and has nothing to do with religion. If I told you my favorite color is pink, that does not make that statement religious. You are being ridiculous. The only thing that atheism doesn't "offer" is an afterlife, and if you are so sick that you think that an afterlife is a deserved thing or should I say, since you believe the way you do because of personal gain, then it sounds to me like you are more selfish and self absorbed than intelligent or truth seeking.

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#177872 Sep 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>That is the truth and the Atheist bloggers here have proved that.
We do not seek personal gain from our death. We understand that when we die we simply have enjoyed our time here on earth. You can't function in this world without asking for something. I personally am not so self absorbed that I can't see the facts of things just because I "want" something to be true.

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#177873 Sep 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>No religious bigotry, because religion will not be tolerated. From there comes the thought police.
Oh and I see that you ignore the fact that you have made statements that atheists should not speak about anything that they think..... Did someone recruit you to this thought police you speak of?

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#177874 Sep 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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I did not say random events did anything Dave.
Though random events do occur and are responsible for many things.
It is a purely random event when atoms decay, it is a process creating a new condition that spawns another process.
I will said conditions , set processes in motion IE: the fundamental forces and the supply of molecules created from them. Led to more and more processes, creating new conditions and new processes.
These became more and more complicated. But nature and the cosmos can be explained by natural conditions and processes.
Electronics is proof that nature created life that evolved into a discoverer and creator of things, using these conditions and processes , who can cleverly manipulate them together in designs beyond what nature can do. But it still isn't evidence we are a creation of a mythological being.
Your definition of a mythical being needs to be defined better. You are on here ranting and raving against a portrayal in a book which appears to cloud your analytical skills and impedes your argumentation as it is totally emotion based. "Science" has made errors, so do religions. That does not change the reality of things, just the perceptions.

It is quite obvious mankind is part of a larger "organism", or assemblage. That is why we have the "mass mind". We are ever more complex devices put together for some purpose. In computers it would be like linking multi processors. Whatever this larger being we are components of is "God" to us, and may be even be created by something even larger. That is from pure abstract thinking. The problem is in our "physical" construction we can only look outwards and deal only with action/reaction to other "physical" things. Like the Roomba I discussed before. However, even in your own pitiful little mind you know there is more to you than that filter you are working through for the time being. You can transcend the straight "physical" world to a degree. The physical creature is charging ahead in the dark, like a car with high beams on, and another force is the driver. That is one reason we we can all get confused at times.

Topix atheists are confused individuals who freak out driving in the dark. They make their own little realities crawling along at 5 mph staring straight ahead. They are afraid of what they can see if they look.

"Something" made us and our abilities. They did not happen by chance.

BTW, randomness is a relative term. Everything has a cause, just as you described. It is perceiving the cause and the patterns followed that make the difference between "laws" and "randomness".

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#177875 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>To jump to the conclusion that a mechanism does not have a designer, makes your rationalisation superior?

Show us a mechanism that you absolutely know doesn't have a designer.:-)
Seriously....if you watched a woman for birth and had never heard of a god then you would see that the woman was the designer, or maker. God didn't poof me into existence...my mommy and daddy made me, but I really hope I don't have to explain to you how lol

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#177876 Sep 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>After going over the comments of the post here, I no longer believe these bloggers are atheist. They belong to a deranged cult that has a goal of convincing people that they do not have any soul. Western atheist are more intelligent than this group here are, and would not post on this inferior level. Atheist education/knowledge is most often hovering around an (X) amount. The comprehension skills of this group is no where near that (X). If you previously chatted with atheist, or watch their video blogs you will see this.
This, coming from someone who lives in New Jersey lol. Do you spray tan as well? I just wonder how many cult followings you indulge yourself with ;-)

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#177877 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Why would you present the idea that the ordered universe cannot have a designer?

Upon what basis do you make these claims?
Why would you present the idea that the universe factually has a designer?

Upon what basis do you make that claim?

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#177878 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Fallen human nature is egotistical and bigoted, the quality of atheists in here can rise no higher than the limits of the carnal mind.:-)
Yet your ego is so large that you come here every day to argue with people who you seem to think have no intelligence and who you think should not have a right to have a different thought than yourself... I personally do not see how I am egotistical and you are not.

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#177879 Sep 21, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>Under a hopelessly fixed assumption which is not deterred by the facts.
Why would you present the idea that the universe has to have a designer?

What facts do you have that prove this theory?

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#177880 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Why the assumption is fixed is the interesting question...:)
The answer to that would be... It is a fixed notion that there is no god because there has been no satisfactory evidence to carry the notion of a god.

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#177881 Sep 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>This is either the most under educated group of Atheist I have meet or they are posers. As previously noted, I do believe they believe in God, afterlife and soul, there goal is to have you not exercise your soul. Their believe in energy and the power of the mind is great, not no existent, as they pose themselves to be.
What have I said that makes you think that I believe in a god an afterlife, or a soul?

“ad victoriam”

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#177882 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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What do you use to gauge the evidence?
Multiple agreement from repeat experiment and across the board consensus.

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#177883 Sep 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You are so limited in your scientific vision.

Science does nothing but provide an explanation for the methodology of the assembly of this existence. That is all it can do from this end of the process.

Belief that it all came about out of random events, out of pre-existing stuff is purely a subjective religious belief.

Modern electronics proves there is a creator involved. We use the bipolarity of it to create devices, and even computational capabilities. You would like to believe that harnessing of energy is something, created devices of this universe, us, came up with all on our own.

Our technological ability has its origin in our own creation.
How exactly does modern electronics prove a creator of the universe?

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#177884 Sep 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Your primary assumptions drive your beliefs, not the evidence.

You have already been given enough evidence so that you are without excuse by God Himself, both internally and externally, but you deny that because you want to be God.

In that you are not unique, you share the same problem as the rest if humanity.
You think that because someone is an atheist they want to "be" a god??? Please please please explain to me the evidence that there is for a god.

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