Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#177683 Sep 20, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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The bible says that slavery is o.k. Slavery is not o.k. in modern times, but the bible does claim that "god" was fine with slavery, in fact he even gave rules on it.
Why is slavery wrong? Why is slavery not o.k.? On what objective basis do you find slavery wrong for the ancients? Slavery is regulated in the Old for the benefit of the slave. The actual practice was world wide and was the way they did things. Folks like you use slavery as a basis to rant against the Bible. That means your real agenda has to do with contempt for the bible and slavery is just a means to discredit. That means you do not really care about slavery in the first place. Why don't you just admit your hypocrisy? You're not fooling anyone.

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#177684 Sep 20, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Be advice Bob at best has a 3rd grade reading comprehension. I am sorry but you are nuts for posting all this thinking he could understand it. I think you would have better luck teaching a baboon to drive a bicycle.
Spoiler alert. Bob will accuse you of lying.
The prayer was copy paste so it was not much trouble. I do find it interesting a queen would smear herself with dung in private. Also it sounds like she was into some type of self abusive behavior which indicated she was in severe distress even though she was a queen in a pagan land. Who knows what kind of psychological trauma she endured as a result of her situation in which she had little or no control. She was moved to act by forces totally beyond her control.

“Game Over”

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#177685 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Why is slavery wrong? Why is slavery not o.k.? On what objective basis do you find slavery wrong for the ancients? Slavery is regulated in the Old for the benefit of the slave. The actual practice was world wide and was the way they did things. Folks like you use slavery as a basis to rant against the Bible. That means your real agenda has to do with contempt for the bible and slavery is just a means to discredit. That means you do not really care about slavery in the first place. Why don't you just admit your hypocrisy? You're not fooling anyone.
Shutupbitch and fetch me a beer.

Since: Jun 13

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#177686 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>Why is slavery wrong? Why is slavery not o.k.? On what objective basis do you find slavery wrong for the ancients? Slavery is regulated in the Old for the benefit of the slave. The actual practice was world wide and was the way they did things. Folks like you use slavery as a basis to rant against the Bible. That means your real agenda has to do with contempt for the bible and slavery is just a means to discredit. That means you do not really care about slavery in the first place. Why don't you just admit your hypocrisy? You're not fooling anyone.
It was never moral to own another human being. It wasn't then, and it isn't now. I don't care what you think my agenda is, and I am far from being a hypocrit...you can count on that.

I can't even believe that I read what I just read from you. It's freakin disgusting that it took so long to end slavery and for you to sit here and act like it was always ok just shows what Of selfish, self absorbed person you are! The fact being stated was that it is in the bible and your god is written to have more than ok'd it and it is not right or moral or just! I will not discuss this further with you so don't expect me to respond to anything that you could possibly say to this post.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#177687 Sep 20, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>There's this thing called science that proves we evolved and basic logic proves you have a cult associated mental illness.

You suffer from denialism - you actually know that you;re lying about god to yourself, but you can't bring yourself to admit it.

To deal with it you harass atheists online.
He's not trying to convince US.

He's trying to convince himself.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177688 Sep 20, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Again... I will do the same. Lets look at the word church first. These definition are from Merriam Webster dictionary just so you know they are well known and well used :)
1church
noun \&#712;ch&#601;rch\
: a building that is used for Christian religious services
: religious services held in a church
: a particular Christian group
o.k...so we know that a church is used for mainly christians, but it is also a building used for religious services. Now lets look at the definition of religious.
re·li·gious
adjective \ri-&#712;li-j&#601;s\
: of or relating to religion
: believing in a god or a group of gods and following the rules of a religion
: very careful to do something whenever it can or should be done
Atheism doesn't fall under any of those definitions...Unless you try to claim that Atheism is a religion... in which case, lets take a look at religion.
re·li·gion
noun \ri-&#712;li-j&#601;n\
: the belief in a god or in a group of gods
: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods
: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group
So Atheists do not have a belief, or an interest in any god or gods, so by definition Atheism is not a religion.
So do you still want to continue to harp on the FACT that they have a church, even though, Atheists are not religious, and they are most certainly not christian? I don't believe this fits anywhere.
Ok as you clearly spot with churches this dictionary is wrong with that. I do see where atheist do meet the criteria for each of the above. The online atheist is more religious than anyone I know that is not a clergy, but then debates could start, and I don't wish to offend my clergy friends.

I will give you this though. An atheist can be non-religious, and meet all that criteria you suggest. It would be a non active atheist. That is true for a theist too. I am saying you and the others here are religious and I am not.

The day atheism was turned into a religion. You should really debate this with the people that made it so. I clearly was not part of that. I agree with them. I find it queer you think you could put it in my head atheist do not have a church, they do not have faith, and that would mean something. And yet, you don't think a person has their own reality. Very strange, I say. Do you know by debating this with me you prove your faith.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#177689 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Why is slavery wrong? Why is slavery not o.k.? On what objective basis do you find slavery wrong for the ancients? Slavery is regulated in the Old for the benefit of the slave. The actual practice was world wide and was the way they did things. Folks like you use slavery as a basis to rant against the Bible. That means your real agenda has to do with contempt for the bible and slavery is just a means to discredit. That means you do not really care about slavery in the first place. Why don't you just admit your hypocrisy? You're not fooling anyone.
I bet you're into bondage and S & M.

Since: Jun 13

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#177690 Sep 20, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>Ok as you clearly spot with churches this dictionary is wrong with that. I do see where atheist do meet the criteria for each of the above. The online atheist is more religious than anyone I know that is not a clergy, but then debates could start, and I don't wish to offend my clergy friends.

I will give you this though. An atheist can be non-religious, and meet all that criteria you suggest. It would be a non active atheist. That is true for a theist too. I am saying you and the others here are religious and I am not.

The day atheism was turned into a religion. You should really debate this with the people that made it so. I clearly was not part of that. I agree with them. I find it queer you think you could put it in my head atheist do not have a church, they do not have faith, and that would mean something. And yet, you don't think a person has their own reality. Very strange, I say. Do you know by debating this with me you prove your faith.
You clearly ignore the obvious definitions that are, as i said, from rhe Merriam Webster dictionary (the most highly used) and are cut and dry so I don't wish to discuss this any further with you....you make up your own rules and that's fine, but it is not correct. I don't desire to put anything in your head except for fact and that is what I've given you. You are ignoring them and changing the definitions of words to suit your wishes. I will not stoop to that.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#177691 Sep 20, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>....I am saying you and the others here are religious and I am not.
I would say that you are likely a fundie. Based on past experience, moderate Christians do not call Atheists religious or Atheism a religion.

Since: Jun 12

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#177692 Sep 20, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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It was never moral to own another human being. It wasn't then, and it isn't now.
Don't you see the logical contradiction which exists in your head? In a world without God in which rights are derived from men you really have no objective basis to make a moral judgement on slavery since men determined these things. Your judgement carries no more weight than your opinion. Their is far more valid because they handled the circumstances as they did based on their time and circumstances. Slavery to them was an act of mercy. Better to be a slave than to be dead. As they used to say,''Better red than dean.''
I can't even believe that I read what I just read from you. It's freakin disgusting that it took so long to end slavery and for you to sit here and act like it was always ok just shows what Of selfish, self absorbed person you are!
your reaction is emotional and personal. There is nothing logical in any of it. Seems you are so crippled by emotions you cannot look at it dispassionately or historically.
The fact being stated was that it is in the bible and your god is written to have more than ok'd it and it is not right or moral or just! I will not discuss this further with you so don't expect me to respond to anything that you could possibly say to this post.
It was regulated for the benefit of the slave. I believe i already pointed that out. You won't discuss this further because you cannot without looking like a loser. Your emotional outrage is pure bluster.

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#177693 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you see the logical contradiction which exists in your head? In a world without God in which rights are derived from men you really have no objective basis to make a moral judgement on slavery since men determined these things. Your judgement carries no more weight than your opinion. Their is far more valid because they handled the circumstances as they did based on their time and circumstances. Slavery to them was an act of mercy. Better to be a slave than to be dead. As they used to say,''Better red than dean.''
[QUOTE]I can't even believe that I read what I just read from you. It's freakin disgusting that it took so long to end slavery and for you to sit here and act like it was always ok just shows what Of selfish, self absorbed person you are! "

your reaction is emotional and personal. There is nothing logical in any of it. Seems you are so crippled by emotions you cannot look at it dispassionately or historically.[QUOTE] The fact being stated was that it is in the bible and your god is written to have more than ok'd it and it is not right or moral or just! I will not discuss this further with you so don't expect me to respond to anything that you could possibly say to this post. "

It was regulated for the benefit of the slave. I believe i already pointed that out. You won't discuss this further because you cannot without looking like a loser. Your emotional outrage is pure bluster.
You look at it however you want to bud...your judgement and opinions let me know where your moral stance is and emotional reaction or not, it's still pretty sick. I will not be discussing it further because I don't like talking to someone who thinks that everything that is history is ok because it happened in history. It was not ok then, and it would not be ok now. That is fact no matter what the circumstances are...no human should be able, and should have never been able to think that it's ok to try to own another human.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177694 Sep 20, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
You clearly ignore the obvious definitions that are, as i said, from rhe Merriam Webster dictionary (the most highly used) and are cut and dry so I don't wish to discuss this any further with you....you make up your own rules and that's fine, but it is not correct. I don't desire to put anything in your head except for fact and that is what I've given you. You are ignoring them and changing the definitions of words to suit your wishes. I will not stoop to that.
I see all the statements of the dictionary supporting my argument. The posting here at topix is your Atheist ritual. You defend your beliefs in a religious manner. The church of Atheism has been erected and attended. Your denying is just you showing your faith. You, yourself know arguing without proof of fact is a sign of faith. The Atheist Church is a fact. Yet you go on. If I say otherwise, that church will still be there.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177695 Sep 20, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
You look at it however you want to bud...your judgement and opinions let me know where your moral stance is and emotional reaction or not, it's still pretty sick. I will not be discussing it further because I don't like talking to someone who thinks that everything that is history is ok because it happened in history. It was not ok then, and it would not be ok now. That is fact no matter what the circumstances are...no human should be able, and should have never been able to think that it's ok to try to own another human.
If you were a spiritual, soul baring, believing sort. More so a Regressive, as I am. I would think on the other side you would be a prosecutor sort. There are those that address The Elders requesting stiff Karma. The younger souls get edgy about such things. The older ones just wish to manifest again.

There are a few sort of Atheist, that are so for various reasons. It's your path. I have all ready given more details than I should. For the purpose of online conversation. I will just take your word for your situation, and more often than not, that will be the truth. I think you would be best off respecting that truth for all.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177696 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> For an atheist to blame God for slavery is akin to blaming the tooth fairy for cavities.
YES! YES!

BOTH ARE 100% FAIRY-TALES!

Good... you are **finally** learning after all this time.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177697 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Yup.
So you admit your god isn't real?

GOOD!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177698 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Why is slavery wrong? Why is slavery not o.k.?
Because we (humans) SAY it is.

That's all you need for THAT.

Are you seriously this dumb, or did you take special stupid lessons?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177699 Sep 20, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
He's not trying to convince US.
He's trying to convince himself.
**exactly**

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177700 Sep 20, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Don't you see the logical contradiction which exists in your head? In a world without God in which rights are derived from men you really have no objective basis to make a moral judgement on slavery since men determined these things.
Don't you see the logical contradiction which exists in your head?

In a world without the Tooth Fairy, in which teeth and cavities are derived from men, you really have no objective basis to make toothy judgement on cavities since men determine these things.

<laughing at you now>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177701 Sep 20, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I see all the statements of the dictionary supporting my argument.
You **also** think that Past Life Regression is a real thing.

You see **lots** of things which are not real.

<laughing>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177702 Sep 20, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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If you were a spiritual, soul baring, believing sort.
Still waiting for your proof of this "soul" thingy.

A thing for which you are unable to even **describe**, let alone prove it's real.

Apart from your severely corrupted imagination, of course.

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