Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

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#177458 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Because someone did ask me politely to answer this post, I will. I all ready have but not directly to this post. Dr Michael Newton wrote two books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. With in those two books Atheism and a few other religious groups are not only capable of contacting their souls, it is dangerous for them to partake in a Past Life Regression or any other exercise that contact with the soul could be achieved. I would tell you to read The Power of Now. But the answer to your question is "no" I could only prove this to myself, as many others have. I do honestly believe there are thought possessing creatures such as humans in this universe and others that do not have souls. Proving one has a soul is just for the person that follows exercises. The person that recognizes a yearning feeling.
I request people spare me the lemons because I was asked to answer this. It is clearly off topic.
In these books that seem to dwell on the mythical concept of a soul and written by a ĎDoctorí who uses unproven and non scientific claims of spiritualism as a basis for his books to me seems like the perfect grounding for the true atheist hater to make BS up about concepts he is incapable of comprehending. The books you mention are no better than novels or self serving self help mumbo jumbo with nothing relevant in the authorship being based on fact. However I would assume that Dr Michael Newton is chuckling at the size of his bank account that you so lovingly and dedicatedly help to bolster.

Proof to yourself, concocted in you own mind and based on indoctrinated belief rather than evidence and fact is not proof, it is belief. This is a failing of may christians, in misrepresenting the meaning of words to suite their own ideas. Truth, proof, morality, theory, evidence, church etc are all words that christians tend to get wrong, either deliberately or ignorantly. So I will repeat my statement.ďAn unprovable falsehood based on the superstition of bronze age man and a god child based on terrorism and lies is not the way to go, it may suite your limited comprehension of life but thatís up to you.Ē

The points being that there is no evidence of souls other than in the belief of certain individuals. Also atheism is based on fact whereas spiritualism/religion is based on mythology and faith. You are perfectly entailed to hold your belief in mythology and fail but that does not give you the right to lie about what you donít understand

Note the topic was the topic you raised, I responded to your post and yet you are hiding behind excuses in your response? Why is this?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177459 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/hey-a theists-just-shut-up-please
Real atheists hate Topix atheists. Don't think much of them, anyhow.
You really have no concept of what atheism is do you?

Because you are limited by your belief in deity you make the automatic assumption that atheists have the same limitation.

Maybe you have never considered the concept of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, it seems you are trying to impose you own limitations, make believe and lies on others. Must be something indoctrinated in godbots from birth and in daveswolders from the moment they are first clouted around the head with a heavy babble.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177460 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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An origin without a creator for starts. The list goes on, but this one in itself is enough.
Yes, itís a start, do you have any evidence of such creator?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177461 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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The Atheist that post here are really a left behind group. The strangest part of them is they create their own Universe, one in which you either think 100% this way or 100% the other way.
Wrong, more godbot lies?

Certainly the observable universe has existed for almost 14 billion years, this is fact, not something created on a religious whim by atheists.

The average person (this includes atheist) understands that every person thinks and believes their own thoughts. The problem occurs when godbots try and impose their 100% or nothing on those average people.

What it really boils down to is intolerance of christians and those in some other faiths, particularly the abrahamic faiths of anything they donít personally like.

This is the very reason why there are now over 200 different versions of the babble and around 40,000 different sects of christianity, each believing it is there own sect that is correct and all others are wrong.

So tell me, how long have you been lying for your god?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177462 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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All of these Topix atheist regulars just flat never grew up. Emotionally they are all still stuck in their adolescence.
That second link I posted did a good job of describing them.
Do you actually realise why you are disliked so much?

Could it be that you lie for a god that you cannot show exists?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177463 Sep 16, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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No Atheism is a religion and you should catch up on things.
Like not collecting stamps is a hobby Ė right?

Why is it always the most fervent godbots that lie so much?

Do you actually realise that abrahamic religions teach that satan is the father of lies? Tell me, how lomg have you been worshipping you god satahn?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177464 Sep 16, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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On the contrary... there are people who say that they are atheists who have decided to have a building that they call a church. That does not make atheism a religion, that means that the people who are wanting to have an atheist church have ignored the definition of religion and decided to do whatever it is that they want to do. No different than christian's making up their own rules, and branching off from Catholic, to church of christ, to baptist. The problem is that the definition of religion is completely contradictory to the definition of Atheism so anyone who tries to say that atheism is a religion is being clearly dishonest.
And RS is clearly dishonest in the name of his god

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177465 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Topix atheists.
They think it is great sport getting on here and telling theists they are stupid for believing in an afterlife, that they are weak and scared.
Whistling by the graveyard.
What a joke.
On them.
Those agonizing and terrifying final moments they will go through. Their tough guy consciousness will be the very first thing to go.
Oh, yeah, dying is just like going sheepy night night. Oh, here I go into my eternal sleep. It's been fun. I've done so much. If those theists only knew how easy it was.
For nothing.
You can wake up from nightmares.
Sheer shrieking terror no one but themselves will hear.
Momma Nature and evolution shuts your body off, then she shuts off your physical brain.
I'm not laughing at them.
WTF have you got against freedom of expression?

People can die in many way, some more painful than others, but itís good of you to poke fun at death

But every one else is laughing at you.
LCNLin

United States

#177466 Sep 16, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Then you would be ignoring the classic description of religion, especially when having conversations with Christians or theists. RELIGION-----"The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, a personal God or Gods."
Since you are a Christian then this description of religion applies directly to you.
straw-man his favorite fallacy?

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#177467 Sep 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You really have no concept of what atheism is do you?
Because you are limited by your belief in deity you make the automatic assumption that atheists have the same limitation.
Maybe you have never considered the concept of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, it seems you are trying to impose you own limitations, make believe and lies on others. Must be something indoctrinated in godbots from birth and in daveswolders from the moment they are first clouted around the head with a heavy babble.
Punkin, so I was right about your age. More than you were. I'm more right about a lot of things than you are. My paying attention to things trumps your memory and typos. And I'm a dried up senile flabby old man. Look what you have to look forward to.

I didn't develop anything resembling a religious belief until I got on this forum less than 3 years ago. Your atheism is not the atheism of intellectuals when I was your age. You are too parochial, scripted, and ideological about it. Read indoctrinated disaffected personality.

My son is your age. I was an atheist long before he was born. He is an exceptionally intelligent man. I never took him to church, but he wound up with some sort of religion. But he doesn't have the emotional issues you do, either.

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#177468 Sep 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Do you actually realise why you are disliked so much?
Could it be that you lie for a god that you cannot show exists?
Does my disappointment in not being loved by Topix atheist mental cases show?

Golly, I thought I had it hidden real good.

It isn't up to me to prove one exists to anyone but me, lovey.

Are you trying to prove one doesn't exist? You are doing a lousy job if so.

It's your ass, not mine.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177469 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Punkin, so I was right about your age. More than you were. I'm more right about a lot of things than you are. My paying attention to things trumps your memory and typos. And I'm a dried up senile flabby old man. Look what you have to look forward to.
I didn't develop anything resembling a religious belief until I got on this forum less than 3 years ago. Your atheism is not the atheism of intellectuals when I was your age. You are too parochial, scripted, and ideological about it. Read indoctrinated disaffected personality.
My son is your age. I was an atheist long before he was born. He is an exceptionally intelligent man. I never took him to church, but he wound up with some sort of religion. But he doesn't have the emotional issues you do, either.
I have always been right about my age and I have admitted to a typo, get over it.

You self delusion and davesworld antic pants have no baring on my memory but you are free to delusion yourself as much as your emotional outbursts can stand

I donít care what or where you developed you godbit make believe. And you have no idea of my intellectual understanding of atheism, that my deal little fool is the whole concept of atheism that the godbot will never understand, it is not the structured religion of godbotism but it is the individual understanding of individuals.

Intelligent man? Obviously does not take after you then? Are you sure you are the father? It is said that DNA testing is showing considerably less genetic link between the claimed father and the child than was supposed. Was you wife a naught girl?

What emotional issues, you keep guessing based on you own projection but you never Ė ever offer any substantiation of your outlandish comments.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177470 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Does my disappointment in not being loved by Topix atheist mental cases show?
Golly, I thought I had it hidden real good.
It isn't up to me to prove one exists to anyone but me, lovey.
Are you trying to prove one doesn't exist? You are doing a lousy job if so.
It's your ass, not mine.
Your deliberate ignorance certainly does show

You donít seem you understand the concept of debate, you make the claim that a mythical entity exists, it is therefore up you to substantiate that claim, or shut up about it

Not me trying to prove anything, Einstrien did a pretty good job of that with E=MC^2

Why do you have a fascination with my ass?

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#177471 Sep 16, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Your deliberate ignorance certainly does show
You donít seem you understand the concept of debate, you make the claim that a mythical entity exists, it is therefore up you to substantiate that claim, or shut up about it
Not me trying to prove anything, Einstrien did a pretty good job of that with E=MC^2
Why do you have a fascination with my ass?
You don't debate. You rant.

I have a fascination with most female asses. They are lovely. Don't take it personal.

This and your prior post are full of typos and grammatical errors. Am I rattling your cage, making you react instead of think?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#177472 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You don't debate. You rant.

I have a fascination with most female asses. They are lovely. Don't take it personal.

This and your prior post are full of typos and grammatical errors. Am I rattling your cage, making you react instead of think?
Lol... You are comically disgusting

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177473 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You don't debate. You rant.
I have a fascination with most female asses. They are lovely. Don't take it personal.
This and your prior post are full of typos and grammatical errors. Am I rattling your cage, making you react instead of think?
Wrong, I simply do not agree with most of your davesworld BS and tell you so. Therefore, you feel an emotional need to interpret that as ranting, itís really just a sign of immaturity.

Your fascinations and perversions are best kept to yourself.

Still no examples eh? All you have is opinion and are to sh|t scared to admit it? Please be good enough to grow a set of balls and show me where those typos are? So what you are saying that you believe you are at last and suddenly eliciting an emotional response? A response that you have been harping on about for months. It seems that what you are saying is that you have been lying in the hope of grabbing extras spite points to add to your god fund.

How patheticÖ I really have no tolerance for liars and liars for their god are the lowest of the low.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#177474 Sep 16, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Lol... You are comically disgusting
Where did you get the comically from?

Since: Jun 07

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#177475 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Punkin, so I was right about your age. More than you were. I'm more right about a lot of things than you are. My paying attention to things trumps your memory and typos. And I'm a dried up senile flabby old man. Look what you have to look forward to.
I didn't develop anything resembling a religious belief until I got on this forum less than 3 years ago. Your atheism is not the atheism of intellectuals when I was your age. You are too parochial, scripted, and ideological about it. Read indoctrinated disaffected personality.
My son is your age. I was an atheist long before he was born. He is an exceptionally intelligent man. I never took him to church, but he wound up with some sort of religion. But he doesn't have the emotional issues you do, either.
Creationist liar troll not to be trusted.

Since: Jun 07

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#177476 Sep 16, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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straw-man his favorite fallacy?
idiot with no proof of god, pushing his failed creationist cult online for $0.00001 per troll.

Since: Jun 07

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#177477 Sep 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Does my disappointment in not being loved by Topix atheist mental cases show?
Golly, I thought I had it hidden real good.
It isn't up to me to prove one exists to anyone but me, lovey.
Are you trying to prove one doesn't exist? You are doing a lousy job if so.
It's your ass, not mine.
You're a bitter creationist idiot who wants attention.

Problem is you don't even understand atheism so anything that comes out of your mouth is just wasteful garbage.

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