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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#176746 Sep 7, 2013
Miracles do not happen every day. There is no such thing. If there were then people in this world would not have to suffer the way they do... christian or non-christian.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176747 Sep 7, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
Miracles do not happen every day. There is no such thing. If there were then people in this world would not have to suffer the way they do... christian or non-christian.
Suffering is part of the experience of free wills. Souls prefer to take a host, over sitting is a spiritual world. And some souls prefer it over heaven. There are the unqualified to go, and there are those that find it boring.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176748 Sep 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>This is your proof?.......LOL
All cultures have an inherent fear of death, of suddenly not existing. All cultures have a means of avoiding this fear, it's as old as mankind. A belief in something that makes you feel secure in death does not make the assumption true, it just makes it comfortable.
Before or after I teach a chimpanzee ho to drive a bicycle. The chimp does have the appearance to have the mechanical parts, but. You do claim to be a monkey's nephew, who am I to argue this detail with you.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#176749 Sep 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Dumb ass....me? the world class composer/arranger/performer/pr ofessor/accomplished salior/6 handicapper....really.
I read reputable scientific journals, I abdicate to those who are much more knowledgable on the subject than I, I subscribe to scientific magazines, I do research on the subject at hand. I don't "worship" men who are scientists, how foolish of you for putting it in that context. I TRUST men who are scientists, I TRUST that thousands of hard working scientist know what they are talking about. I TRUST the methodology they use in determining if something is true. The process of falsification, peer review, repeatability, and intense examination lead me to accept their findings as being as true as possible for this moment in time. You act as thought these men simple throw together their findings and claim them to be unerringly true. Don't you know anything about the scientific process?........I guess NOT....sucks to be you!!!!!
Yes, you.

Those men you trust with your very life make a living doing their science. They have vested interests. Money and careers. It's an industry, not a noble calling.

You have hack musicians that blow their horns a lot and claim they are the experts in music. They do this to make money. Lot of competition out there. Scientists have the same issue. Let me qualify that. Theoretical scientists. The ones you listen to. They have to sell their product. R&D scientists are a lot more real and professional. They experiment and observe real stuff.

Sucker.

Tomorrow is Sunday. Go feed your squirrels and serenade them.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176750 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Suffering is part of the experience of free wills. Souls prefer to take a host, over sitting is a spiritual world. And some souls prefer it over heaven. There are the unqualified to go, and there are those that find it boring.
Nope, wrong, sorry there is no such thing as FREE WILL. How can it be free will when you MUST fear the consequences? That is completely in conflict with the definition of free will. I hold a gun to your head and say "You have free will to give me your wallet or not, but if you don't I'll blow your brains out. Free will means you give or receive something without expectation of return.

Your God is all powerful all seeing, can see the future, or so you claim. he KNOWS what will happen in the future, can see the pathway you have taken. You can ONLY take this pathway, it is predetermined for you by God, so you can only do what is predetermined, no free will. Unless you want to say that God cannot see the future, does NOT know what path you will take. if so, your God is NOT omnipotent, and becomes rather worthless.

Since you seem to know so very much about "souls" please tell us all how you came to this knowledge and show us the evidence that these souls do all you claim they do. Personally I think you're talking out of your azz, prove me wrong post your evidence that souls do all you say they do.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#176751 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Suffering is part of the experience of free wills. Souls prefer to take a host, over sitting is a spiritual world. And some souls prefer it over heaven. There are the unqualified to go, and there are those that find it boring.
I really don't understand your thought process, but that's o.k.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176752 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Before or after I teach a chimpanzee ho to drive a bicycle. The chimp does have the appearance to have the mechanical parts, but. You do claim to be a monkey's nephew, who am I to argue this detail with you.
I suppose there's a point here, but I can't find one, I'll take this poorly worded and fragmented post as an admission of defeat, Thanks.

I do so enjoy it when you are unable to counter a point I have made and resort to childish posts like the one above. You're so much fun!!!!!

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176753 Sep 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, wrong, sorry there is no such thing as FREE WILL. How can it be free will when you MUST fear the consequences? That is completely in conflict with the definition of free will. I hold a gun to your head and say "You have free will to give me your wallet or not, but if you don't I'll blow your brains out. Free will means you give or receive something without expectation of return.
Your God is all powerful all seeing, can see the future, or so you claim. he KNOWS what will happen in the future, can see the pathway you have taken. You can ONLY take this pathway, it is predetermined for you by God, so you can only do what is predetermined, no free will. Unless you want to say that God cannot see the future, does NOT know what path you will take. if so, your God is NOT omnipotent, and becomes rather worthless.
Since you seem to know so very much about "souls" please tell us all how you came to this knowledge and show us the evidence that these souls do all you claim they do. Personally I think you're talking out of your azz, prove me wrong post your evidence that souls do all you say they do.
Yes your karma will get you. He knows the future. Yes. I don't know you well enough to say you have a soul. If you don't, my suggestions will harm you. The books are out there if you are really interested. I think you are not.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176754 Sep 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you.
Those men you trust with your very life make a living doing their science. They have vested interests. Money and careers. It's an industry, not a noble calling.
You have hack musicians that blow their horns a lot and claim they are the experts in music. They do this to make money. Lot of competition out there. Scientists have the same issue. Let me qualify that. Theoretical scientists. The ones you listen to. They have to sell their product. R&D scientists are a lot more real and professional. They experiment and observe real stuff.
Sucker.
Tomorrow is Sunday. Go feed your squirrels and serenade them.
So sorry you don't know how the scientific method works, you really need to educate yourself, now get busy and stop looking completely stupid.

There is no such things as hack musician that claim they are experts in music, and do so to make money. You really MUST stop commenting on things you know nothing about. You can either play/compose, or not. The first two notes you play determines whether you are a hack or not. NO ONE that is a hack in music will make a dime. You don't get to suck at what you do and be successful. Even though your pukbucket guy plays children's music, he is at lest proficient on his instrument.
Toby

Portland, OR

#176755 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
It actually does prove the existence of a God. Jesus does answer prayers. Jesus and St Michael and many more do provide strength.
A person could ask God to be saved from a tornado, and if they luckily survive, they will automatically claim that the reason they survived was because God answers prayer. Yet wasn't this supposed God in control of the tornado in the first place? Could not have God just simply changed the course of the tornado long before it reached a populated area? If there were no humans on Earth at all wouldn't tornadoes and hurricanes still exist? If God is in control of nature why ask God to deviate from his own predestined plan, if God is in control of natural disasters why do people pray to the very source of the disaster, God could easily place the formation and paths of all tornadoes and hurricanes away from populated areas, that is if God is omnipotent. And if God is omnipresent then he apathetically stands by and watches thousands of people get murdered, raped, burned in fires and he watches them die from diseases and natural disasters, if God is omnipresent then with great indifference he watches while millions of people are slaughtered in wars and genocidal conflicts.

Not only is it claimed that this God knows the heinous events that will befall millions of humans, but he also is supposedly their watching it happen, has the power to change it but instead apathetically just watches it happen. To me ,people asking a God who is omnipotent and omnipresent to save them from a disease, natural disaster or dangerous circumstance, is the equivalent of asking a serial killer who is slaughtering your family to save you alone, and then when the serial killer who is in complete control allows that person to live , then they heap praises on that serial killer for being so loving and merciful.
Toby

Portland, OR

#176756 Sep 7, 2013
Natural disasters, plagues, famines, genocides, murders, God prefers to think of all those things as tough love.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176757 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes your karma will get you. He knows the future. Yes. I don't know you well enough to say you have a soul. If you don't, my suggestions will harm you. The books are out there if you are really interested. I think you are not.
If I had a souls then I'm sure medical science would be able to find it. Like your God, this soul thing is only something imagined.

There are also books on voodoo and Astro projection, all sorts of books and claims. Do you know how to tell which ones have contents that are real? Thats right...science. So I think I'll pass on your voodoo and magic books and settle for something real, thanks anyways. And I'll take your non-answer on free will as accepting the fact that free will is impossible.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176758 Sep 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Stop being so childish, there is NO proof that something called a "soul" exists. It may have been documented by delusional Christians but not by the ONLY means available to determine if something does in fact exist....SCIENCE.
The term "soul"was invented by Christians as a feeble attempt at justifying an afterlife. Any intelligent person knows the body turns to dust after death so as a way of escaping that fate, a separate part of our body was invented. When the body dies, out pops this soul thing and floats up to heaven. I guess it magically carries all that is you with it.
Neurology knows that when certain parts of the brain are damaged, we can lose our speech, forget names of tools, can't recognize loved ones, but when the entire brain dies, we can visit Mom and Dad, and auntie Alice, and frolic in heaven. It would take the mentality of a child to accept such bullshit.......would that be you?
In the late 1700's there was, for a while, a sort of fad belief about these so called souls. Doctors noticed that when that last sighing breath occurred, the patient died. They thought the soul escaped the body when the lungs released the last of the life force - air.

To keep body and soul together for a chance at survival, the doctor would clamp one hand over the mouth of the sick person and firmly pinch the nostrils together with the other hand. They thought this would keep a person's soul inside and the person would live some more, they may have also thought that, with practice, a person could live a long, long time.

Just an example of what happens when you mix science and religion....a clusterfluck;0)
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176759 Sep 7, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
Xian god has been DISPROVED long time ago,
try to keep up
www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
That does depend on your standard of disproving. I really can't see how I would have to explain this to you. I could name Jesus you can't name the fat English guy who due to his weight gain lost his TV show. He died not long ago, he did not confess to see God the last minute, but all the same he is completely forgotten.
youre PATHOLOGICAL LIAR,,

Google it
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176760 Sep 7, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
In the late 1700's there was, for a while, a sort of fad belief about these so called souls. Doctors noticed that when that last sighing breath occurred, the patient died. They thought the soul escaped the body when the lungs released the last of the life force - air.
To keep body and soul together for a chance at survival, the doctor would clamp one hand over the mouth of the sick person and firmly pinch the nostrils together with the other hand. They thought this would keep a person's soul inside and the person would live some more, they may have also thought that, with practice, a person could live a long, long time.
Just an example of what happens when you mix science and religion....a clusterfluck;0)
I hadn't heard about that, how awful. And people often ask, "Whats the harm of religion" I wonder how hight the number would be of people who have died as a direct result of religion. we could start with all the indigenous people who were killed because of the diseases the missionaries brought with them. Hitchens was right, "Religion poisons everything."

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176761 Sep 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I hadn't heard about that, how awful. And people often ask, "Whats the harm of religion" I wonder how hight the number would be of people who have died as a direct result of religion. we could start with all the indigenous people who were killed because of the diseases the missionaries brought with them. Hitchens was right, "Religion poisons everything."
It is a horrific thing to contemplate....and Hitch was right.

I read somewhere (a long time ago) that 97% of this country's indigenous population was wiped out...and more native Americans died of white men's disease that white men's bullets....another horror.

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#176762 Sep 7, 2013
Toby wrote:
Natural disasters, plagues, famines, genocides, murders, God prefers to think of all those things as tough love.
You god must love Sweden,Finland,Norway,Denmark ...

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#176766 Sep 8, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So sorry you don't know how the scientific method works, you really need to educate yourself, now get busy and stop looking completely stupid.
There is no such things as hack musician that claim they are experts in music, and do so to make money. You really MUST stop commenting on things you know nothing about. You can either play/compose, or not. The first two notes you play determines whether you are a hack or not. NO ONE that is a hack in music will make a dime. You don't get to suck at what you do and be successful. Even though your pukbucket guy plays children's music, he is at lest proficient on his instrument.
Your posts have all the focus and content of a severe diarrhea emission.

You toot your horn the same way, I am sure.

The scientific method has been around as long as man. So have hucksters since the beginning of civilization. And their suckers.



98% of the population would prefer listening to that than your "stuff".
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176767 Sep 8, 2013
every game wrote:
<quoted text>
You are an example of how yanking religion out of schools in 1963 led to so much societal destruction. Now that we have begun the 3rd generation of kids growing up with less and less knowledge of God, we can assuredly know that our world will collapse on itself with horrors of anarchy, mayhem , and every form of ruthless behavior known to man.
Christianity is the pesticide we need to cling to again in order to rid the world of the filthy infestation of atheism, the cult which has ruined our world.
You are a putrid person with a mind that is totally sick.
And what a glorious victory is was for all free thinking people. The social destruction you speak of had nothing to do with pull religion out of the classroom, stop being stupid. If you claim that social destruction was caused by pulling religion out of schools you're required to provide evidence for that claim, otherwise you're just another delusional Christian whimpering like a baby.

You want to know about ruthless behavior, look no further than the bible belt in this country. Look at the domestic violence statistics in that region, ext look up the percentage of Christians who are now in prisons. Every, and I means EVERY country who's predominate position is Atheism scored higher than those countries where religion is the dominate belief, in Health, Education, Welfare, Happiness, STD, teen pregnancy, and prosperity. Rather than a cult which has ruined our world it seems as Atheism is the salvation for our world and the research bears this out. Sorry you're so brainwashed and delusional that you can't appreciate the advantage we Atheists have over you Theists. When the phycological research is done it shows non-believers have a higher intelligence level than believers.Part of being intelligent is NOT accepting anything without proof, reason, logic, critical thinking and extreme skepticism all contribute to a higher intelligence level. Your at the bottom of the pack skippy, It must suck to be you.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176768 Sep 8, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your posts have all the focus and content of a severe diarrhea emission.
You toot your horn the same way, I am sure.
The scientific method has been around as long as man. So have hucksters since the beginning of civilization. And their suckers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UTBvw-orhmgXX
98% of the population would prefer listening to that than your "stuff".
98% of the population eats fried foods and McDonalds,because they prefer it doesn't make it healthy. They are just to stupid to understand the dangers, same as your pukebucket music, to stupid to know how juvenile it is.

I thought you were more intelligent than using an argument form popularity, guess not. 98% of the world-wie populate thought the earth was flat, they were WRONG...see I can do it to.

Other than that, when you can put together a coherent thought, let me know!!

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