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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176685 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Catholic Priest that molest children are the minority.
Sadly? That turns out **not** to be the case...

... but even if it were but ONE?

That was KEPT FROM LAWFUL JUSTICE?

That would be one too many.
Robert Stevens wrote:
The majority are very good and helpful people to their society.
Sadly, that **also** turns out not to be the case-- they are busy fleecing their communities and abusing their flock.

It's part of the same old same old religious scam, unchanged for centuries.
Robert Stevens wrote:
I am not against punishing those that do break this law, and the cover up is bad. If I was Catholic I would joint the new forming group, the denounces this child abuse.
But the church HID IT instead--and continues to pay HUSH MONEY.

It's one sick institution, that ought to be taken down.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176686 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Mr you can't prove anything what is the name of this tread. "Atheism requires as much faith as religion." An honestly, I can't prove to you via hypnosis because you do not have a soul. You could read Dr Michael Newton for yourself. Destiny of Souls. It would be irresponsible for a hypnotherapist to have a past life regression with an atheist, or Atheist.
I have proven several times, that an **omniscient** god cannot possibly exist.

And **certainly** an all-good god DOES NOT-- too much preventable EVIL.

That leaves a limited semi-god at **best**. Why bother?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176687 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I would rather be full of myself than atheist. It is a sad ending you will have. Mine will be a new beginning. I don't understand why you ever discuss yours. It belongs in a locked closet.
Yours will be oblivion.

Just like every one else-- your massive EGO notwithstanding.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176688 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Actually I have proven that I do, and I don't care if drones like yourself deny it.
No-- you cannot prove you have a soul.

And?

Just based on your constant display of HATE?

You have nothing GOOD within you, either....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176689 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I really don't see that in their online post. I see very antisocial tendencies.
Indeed.... you really should quit looking in the mirror-- you are one of the most antisocial people I've run across on Topix.

Seriously-- and I've seen people that makes Westburough seem tame...

(yes, they were eventually banned... so what?)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176690 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I would take a Muslim society over an Atheist society.
Saudi Arabia awaits.

Please get on the next plane... and take your bigotry with you.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176691 Sep 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Cool, be prepared to stop what you're doing two or three time a day, spread out your little rug, and get on your knees and pray. Hope you're not on the golf course when its time to grovel. Lets hope your daughter, granddaughter, or any other female you know doesn't get caught having premarital sex, if so you will have the pleasure of watching them buried up to the neck and having their head pulverized with rocks. Oh, and no more movies or T.V. shows that have suggestive sexual content, pretty much rules out everything. And I do think your wife is going to look just fantastic in her new Burka. Hope you don't own a pool, or spend time at the beach, she's gong to suffer immensely when it's 85-90% out, but hey, at least you're not part of that horrid Atheistic society where the most important thing is skepticism and free thinking. A society free from divisiveness and cruelty to those who think differently than you. Why would you even want to be a part of a society that DOES'NT have a celestial dictator peering into your most private thoughts ready to convict you of thought crimes. It would be horrible to belong to a society were you are NOT considered a miserable sinner and must repent for the rest ofyour life. Why would any one want to be a part of a society were blindly accepting things without evidence, and believing in mythical being a magical events, is completely unacceptable. Yes you're right, after examining both societies the Muslim society seems so much more attractive.
BTW once you're in, there is no getting out, the punishment for not believing or rejecting Allah is DEATH. Also be prepared to spend some serious time studying the Koran!!!!!
I am sure the same goes on behind the iron curtains that atheist based governments form. As usual you present the worse details of a religious group. Yes, Muslim societies are more attractive than atheist.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176692 Sep 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Sadly? That turns out **not** to be the case...
... but even if it were but ONE?
That was KEPT FROM LAWFUL JUSTICE?
That would be one too many.
<quoted text>
Sadly, that **also** turns out not to be the case-- they are busy fleecing their communities and abusing their flock.
It's part of the same old same old religious scam, unchanged for centuries.
<quoted text>
But the church HID IT instead--and continues to pay HUSH MONEY.
It's one sick institution, that ought to be taken down.
You do make things up as you go along. I assure you if it was the majority. There would be violence, and no more Catholic Church.
Toby

Portland, OR

#176693 Sep 7, 2013
That just shows how distorted peoples perspectives are when in comes to religions and immortality striving. Who in their right mind would desire to live in a Muslim society, at the very least an atheist society would not force any beliefs on you and certainly would be totally secular. One fact is obvious , a free society, a democratic one would fair much better under secularism. The non belief in any God is not a religion, fundamentalist for some reason believe that a non belief is somehow oppressive and threatening. Atheist don't demand that religions be abolished they demand separation from church and state and the right to be free from religious dogma and its teachings, especially when incorporated within the laws.
Toby

Portland, OR

#176694 Sep 7, 2013
If believing in a God makes a person a better person, I support it 100%, but that doesn't validate the existence of any God, anymore than the positive results from operant conditioning validates any God, and people should not confuse the right to believe in a God with the right to oppress non believers. Also the right to believe in any God doesn't mean that religions should be immune from scientific scrutiny, and when people reject theology that doesn't indicate any hostile intention.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176695 Sep 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I have proven several times, that an **omniscient** god cannot possibly exist.
And **certainly** an all-good god DOES NOT-- too much preventable EVIL.
That leaves a limited semi-god at **best**. Why bother?


In the video above Dawkins does touch on that he can't prove there is no God. He could prove there is no Christian God. This is between 4 minutes and 32 seconds to 5 minutes and 40 seconds. Of course YOU won't take my word on it, but I have heard Dawkins come right out and say. This detail is not provable. It is clear as day no one could prove if a God created the Universe, if you can not PROVE how The Universe started. If you could prove this you need to patent your idea.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176696 Sep 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yours will be oblivion.
Just like every one else-- your massive EGO notwithstanding.
You could kill my ego, but you can't kill my soul. People like yourself without souls could be part of some evolution, as I mentioned before.
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176697 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =J0UIbd0eLxwXX
In the video above Dawkins does touch on that he can't prove there is no God. He could prove there is no Christian God. This is between 4 minutes and 32 seconds to 5 minutes and 40 seconds. Of course YOU won't take my word on it, but I have heard Dawkins come right out and say. This detail is not provable. It is clear as day no one could prove if a God created the Universe, if you can not PROVE how The Universe started. If you could prove this you need to patent your idea.
Xian god has been DISPROVED long time ago,
try to keep up

www.evilbible.com/Impossible.htm
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176698 Sep 7, 2013
It is taken for granted by Christians, as well as many atheists, that a universal negative cannot be proven. In this case, that universal negative is the statement that the Christian God does not exist. One would have to have omniscience, they say, in order to prove that anything does not exist. I disagree with this position, however, because omniscience is not needed in order to prove that a thing whose nature is a self-contradiction cannot, and therefore does not exist.

I do not need a complete knowledge of the universe to prove to you that cubic spheres do not exist. Such objects have mutually-exclusive attributes which would render their existence impossible. For example, a cube, by definition, has 8 corners, while a sphere has none. These properties are completely incompatible: they cannot be held simultaneously by the same object. It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility.

Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.
God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.

One Bible verse which Christians are fond of quoting says that atheists are fools. I intend to show that the above concepts of God are completely incompatible and so reveal the impossibility of all of them being true. Who is the fool? The fool is the one who believes impossible things and calls them divine mysteries.

Perfection Seeks Even More Perfection

What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.
Toby

Portland, OR

#176699 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =J0UIbd0eLxwXX
In the video above Dawkins does touch on that he can't prove there is no God. He could prove there is no Christian God. This is between 4 minutes and 32 seconds to 5 minutes and 40 seconds. Of course YOU won't take my word on it, but I have heard Dawkins come right out and say. This detail is not provable. It is clear as day no one could prove if a God created the Universe, if you can not PROVE how The Universe started. If you could prove this you need to patent your idea.
I enjoyed Dawkins book "The God Delusion" but he took a rather harsh stand against agnosticism which I didn't agree with. To even use the word "prove" with the metaphysical is erroneous logic, keep in mind Bertrand Russells celestial teapot.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176700 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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You do make things up as you go along. I assure you if it was the majority. There would be violence, and no more Catholic Church.
Wrong:

Money talks. Especially if the families in question have been brainwashed to **NEVER** question their priest's words-- EVER.

So they, sheep-like, comply with the order of silence, and are told that it wasn't THAT BAD (the rape of their children), and that the priest is REALLY SORRY, and he PROMISES he won't do it again...

... and by the way, here's a nice pile of hush-money for keeping this all "in the family".

One look at the gold-encrusted photos of the Cat'Lick hierarchy? Proves they are wallowing in money.

Money buys a LOT of silence--especially if those being bought were brainwashed to OBEY, beforehand.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176701 Sep 7, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No-- you cannot prove you have a soul.
And?
Just based on your constant display of HATE?
You have nothing GOOD within you, either....
I have read books and have found satisfactory prove for myself. I have yearned and I know the feeling. You not being able to share in this conversation, oh well.
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176702 Sep 7, 2013
The Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness. But the humans used this freewill to choose evil, and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe. God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the humans, not God.

Here is why the argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.

Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently?

The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.

All-good God Knowingly Creates Future Suffering

God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. Surely he would have known that it would have been better for those humans to never have been born (in fact, the Bible says this very thing), and surely this all-compassionate deity would have foregone the creation of a universe destined to imperfection in which many of the humans were doomed to eternal suffering. A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176703 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =J0UIbd0eLxwXX
In the video above Dawkins does touch on that he can't prove there is no God.
You don't read very well, DO you?

I agree--some limited, non-omniscient, not-good, not-caring deities COULD exist.

But.

NONE exist who are GOOD, or CARING, or ALL-KNOWING.

That is easily proven-- and I have, many times.

By the way? I give this much .. the space between those dots, WHAT Dawkins claims he can or cannot do.

Seriously.
Toby

Portland, OR

#176704 Sep 7, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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You could kill my ego, but you can't kill my soul. People like yourself without souls could be part of some evolution, as I mentioned before.
Some you admit inadvertently that souls don't exist in certain people, an atheist would say congratulations you are half way there. I believe everyone has a soul because I believe the soul is the human psyche and every human has a psyche.

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