Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#176495 Sep 6, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>The United States has found it does meet the criteria. Congratulations Atheist Church. Let me now paste the online answer to your question. Using Bing this was the first answer.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

I agree with the United States, as I just about all ways do. Again congratulations Atheist Church.
Well I guess congrats to the atheist church :-)... They'll probably continue to fight the tax break because its not something the actual people see as a religion, but it's whatever anyone wants to call it I guess. Either way there still is no proof for god, there is no proof against god. You believe there is at least one...I don't believe there is one, and I think that I have much more proof against it than you do for it, so I still conclude that my decision is the more logical and rational of the two.

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#176496 Sep 6, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>The United States has found it does meet the criteria. Congratulations Atheist Church. Let me now paste the online answer to your question. Using Bing this was the first answer.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

I agree with the United States, as I just about all ways do. Again congratulations Atheist Church.
Btw...you are completely ignoring the fact that the goverment is not suppose to have a hand in any religion so they should have nothing to do with christianity or atheism or Muslims, or and other religion except for when it comes to those religions breaking the law, and those laws should not be stipulated by any religion.

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#176497 Sep 6, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>Now you bring up, what in my opinion the origin of Atheism becoming a religion. Everyone unfortunately has a government. The Irish made a good run at not having a government. Due to foreign invaders no government does not work. In the beginning governments destroyed non government mainly for trade routes, sometimes in the name of religious rituals, or religious rituals just followed. with in a government, larger religions goals are to be "The Keepers of the Program". Religions find ways to push rules they favor into the law system. The atheist desire to partake in being keepers of the program, slowly pushed them to where they are now a religion. As communication continues to advance smaller religions will grow. Had man had the internet day one. World history, and man's history may be less violent. I think what you are spreading, is no good for no one. If you go back to pushing for government changes without discussion of religion, maybe I would say you are not a religion. Honestly I don't think you could turn back. Perhaps you all ways have been a religion. The 2nd one formed. Denying the 1st one.
You cannot discuss goverment change without discussing religion.

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#176498 Sep 6, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>No it is not what I call them. It is what they call themselves. You could use a search engine to find them, you could contact them, if you wish you could attend their services or session, or whatever they call their gathering. You could actually address them in the flesh. As previously noted, I don't agree with them, and don't see this as a message to be spread.
I also don't see the message that Westbrook baptist spreads either, but what does that have to do with anything. They are spreading gods word, and we are spreading the news that god doesn't exist. All the words that come out of the WBC mouths actually come straight out of the bible....you ignore those parts of the book, but it doesn't make their claims any less false... You act as though you're different but you are not. I don't intend to harm or hurt people but you choose to do that every day simply by following a religion that agrees with everything in the bible, and that includes all of the really sick twisted parts of it that you cannot deny because it Is in black
And white...you only care for your own spot in society or you would not be on an atheist site doing nothing but flapping your jaws about something that you know you don't have the power to change and not only that but you fall to the level that you claim us unbelievers do. Go spend time with your brothers and sisters I'm Christ and leave us heathens here to be judged by your god...if you follow your bible the way I was taught you were supposed to then this should not only not be difficult, but it should be exactly what you should do as a sign of obedience to your lords words.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#176499 Sep 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Intuitions were built into us since the universe began. We are made of it and its organization.
It is how we survived.
It has to be trained out of you.
It's how we survived in the very limited environment of human-scale activities. Our intuitions work reasonably well in that context (although we tend to see more faces than are actually there---again for survival reasons). But those intuitions fail miserably on larger or smaller scales. So, yes, they *do* have to get trained out of you and *should* be trained out of yuou if you want to learn how the larger universe works.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#176500 Sep 6, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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There is no reason for an atheist to have a funeral either, right?
Funerals are for the people who are still alive, not for the person who died. They renew ties to family and friends and encourage us to remember the life of the person who died. Those motivations are present for atheists also.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176501 Sep 6, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Well I guess congrats to the atheist church :-)... They'll probably continue to fight the tax break because its not something the actual people see as a religion, but it's whatever anyone wants to call it I guess. Either way there still is no proof for god, there is no proof against god. You believe there is at least one...I don't believe there is one, and I think that I have much more proof against it than you do for it, so I still conclude that my decision is the more logical and rational of the two.
And I conclude contrary. I now present you with what is most likely, regardless of either one of our conclusions. The human race was made in a lab, by another form of being. Did they look like us? Maybe. More likely they viewed us as a perfect appearance. they might or might not have the answer of creator of Universe. The fact we are not the slaves of a superior elder race of intelligent beings supports my theory. I don't agree with Ufologist but, many details of the debate I do have to concede to them as being the more likely.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176502 Sep 6, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Btw...you are completely ignoring the fact that the goverment is not suppose to have a hand in any religion so they should have nothing to do with christianity or atheism or Muslims, or and other religion except for when it comes to those religions breaking the law, and those laws should not be stipulated by any religion.
Perhaps I am lost on the exact detail you mean by your statement. The government does host the religion and does effect how it is applied. It's why Muslims and Mormons don't have 4 wives. A forty something year old person can't marry a fourteen year old. Abortions are permitted. In this new day of the internet, much of what was wrong, is no longer tolerated. The middle ages witch hunts, were more of a product of people not answering to society, and abusing authority. I am sorry but I see atheism as an end around. The severing of communication. The denouncement of apposing thoughts. I don't welcome the rules as applied by the Atheist bloggers.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176503 Sep 6, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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You cannot discuss goverment change without discussing religion.
You could, but let's be real. They won't choose to stay out of the conversation. The effort of doing such would cause an out cry of conspiracy. Atheism has joined the larger religions as gathering points of discussion on "How things ought to be." To request them not present is as bad as to request you not present. I honestly think you are wrong about how things ought to be, therefore I would never vote for one of you. Unless the Tea Party got real bad.

Since: Sep 08

Las Animas, CO

#176504 Sep 6, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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It's how we survived in the very limited environment of human-scale activities. Our intuitions work reasonably well in that context (although we tend to see more faces than are actually there---again for survival reasons). But those intuitions fail miserably on larger or smaller scales. So, yes, they *do* have to get trained out of you and *should* be trained out of yuou if you want to learn how the larger universe works.
An Alka-Seltzer bubble in a glass of water has the same perspective of how the universe works as we do. It would also design its universe around its self as you do.

Man can not live as the man we know anyplace else than here. Going to the stars and colonizing the universe is in the realm of religion.

Your QM and lovely theories are effects of a larger creative process. Even though scientists have established atomic particles were created by something like the BB, there of those of them that idolize those atoms and think they created the universe. They got things turned around.

Your theoretical physics and cosmology are in error. They may lead to new technologies, but s always, that is usually a result of experimentation and intuition until something works. If your atomic theories were right, then you have blueprints for how to apply forces of the universe to make anything you want. Sheer design. But you can't even come close.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176505 Sep 6, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I also don't see the message that Westbrook baptist spreads either, but what does that have to do with anything. They are spreading gods word, and we are spreading the news that god doesn't exist. All the words that come out of the WBC mouths actually come straight out of the bible....you ignore those parts of the book, but it doesn't make their claims any less false... You act as though you're different but you are not. I don't intend to harm or hurt people but you choose to do that every day simply by following a religion that agrees with everything in the bible, and that includes all of the really sick twisted parts of it that you cannot deny because it Is in black
And white...you only care for your own spot in society or you would not be on an atheist site doing nothing but flapping your jaws about something that you know you don't have the power to change and not only that but you fall to the level that you claim us unbelievers do. Go spend time with your brothers and sisters I'm Christ and leave us heathens here to be judged by your god...if you follow your bible the way I was taught you were supposed to then this should not only not be difficult, but it should be exactly what you should do as a sign of obedience to your lords words.
Westbrook Baptist, is what I call a noisy minority. I think they have done more harm than good towards the thoughts they champion. You may find if you attend your Atheist church. The word nature replacing the word God. I could be wrong, but I think you would lose members to The Wiccan Church. I see these two places of gathering as regional. The West coast Atheist, if one the East Coast would be a Wiccan. Some people need the gathering side of religion. It is why the online Atheist does get the satire we give them from time to time. Many of the bloggers have to have it their exact way.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#176506 Sep 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Your theoretical physics and cosmology are in error. They may lead to new technologies, but s always, that is usually a result of experimentation and intuition until something works. If your atomic theories were right, then you have blueprints for how to apply forces of the universe to make anything you want. Sheer design. But you can't even come close.
Why would you think that would be possible? Even with a correct theory, the math alone is way too much for more than fairly simple systems. And, it is exactly those systems where the math simplifies where we *do* have pure design.

Given that it isn't so easy, even mathematically, to solve the equations of QCD, why would you think it possible to do as you claim?

Since: Sep 08

Las Animas, CO

#176507 Sep 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The that sticks out here to me is this.
"Space and matter can't occupy the same volume."
What? Um "Space IS the volume" and matter occupies it or not.
But there is no space or any volume of it , we know of... not occupied by at least some matter . No matter how sparse the matter is.
I forgot to mention this in the other response.

"But there is no space or any volume of it , we know of... not occupied by at least some matter . No matter how sparse the matter is."

With matter you have "substance" in it. That fills in the wake.

Say you have a dust cloud a planet moves into. Much gets pushed out of the way, then much gets sucked into its wake. Space carried it. The dust couldn't hold any position relative to other particles or the planet unless space was displaced. If space is something that occupies volume,then it is a component of the universal transfers of energy and force.

Since: Sep 08

Las Animas, CO

#176508 Sep 6, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Why would you think that would be possible? Even with a correct theory, the math alone is way too much for more than fairly simple systems. And, it is exactly those systems where the math simplifies where we *do* have pure design.
Given that it isn't so easy, even mathematically, to solve the equations of QCD, why would you think it possible to do as you claim?
Man has been using simple geometry for ages to do work. That is because matter and energy line up to follow certain geometries. Otherwise stone and steel cutting edges wouldn't work. Those forces are mass and motion behind EM.

You direct forces, which tend to follow straight lines, in the geometry you need. Magnetic fields penetrate everything, and have force. They move atoms, and they can pass through them.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#176509 Sep 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Man has been using simple geometry for ages to do work. That is because matter and energy line up to follow certain geometries. Otherwise stone and steel cutting edges wouldn't work. Those forces are mass and motion behind EM.
You direct forces, which tend to follow straight lines, in the geometry you need. Magnetic fields penetrate everything, and have force. They move atoms, and they can pass through them.
So you are still talking about unrealistically simplified situations. When you add two forces, the sum doesn't have to line up with the source of either force. So, for a system with three planets, the total force on a planet will NOT be towards another planet. The force also changes because of distance between the planets. And no, for gravity, it is NOT towards the barycenter in general. Exact analytical solutions for even the Newtonian equations of motion are unsolved for three gravitating bodies (although very good approximations can be found).

Magnetic forces on charged particles are *perpendicular* to both the direction of the magnetic field and the direction of motion of the charge. So they do NOT 'line up' in the ways you claim. And no, the mass and motion are NOT 'behind EM'.

Once again, you are wrong in essentially every particular.
xianity is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#176510 Sep 6, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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And I conclude contrary. I now present you with what is most likely, regardless of either one of our conclusions. The human race was made in a lab, by another form of being. Did they look like us? Maybe. More likely they viewed us as a perfect appearance. they might or might not have the answer of creator of Universe. The fact we are not the slaves of a superior elder race of intelligent beings supports my theory. I don't agree with Ufologist but, many details of the debate I do have to concede to them as being the more likely.
youre begining to sound as LOONY as Deluded Dave,boy,,

keep on bobbing though,you amuse us so!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#176511 Sep 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
With matter you have "substance" in it. That fills in the wake.
Say you have a dust cloud a planet moves into. Much gets pushed out of the way, then much gets sucked into its wake. Space carried it. The dust couldn't hold any position relative to other particles or the planet unless space was displaced. If space is something that occupies volume,then it is a component of the universal transfers of energy and force.
Simply wrong. The dust gets compressed in front because it bounces off the planet (or atmosphere) and then interacts with the incoming dust. Space isn't getting compressed: the dust is. If there was no interaction between the dust and itself, there would be no compression.

Similarly, after the planet is past, the dust *expands* into the region behind. Any turbulence is due to the dust interacting with itself. Space did NOT carry it. It moved through space.

Finally, your basic argument is that is space has properties, other things cannot occupy the same location as space does. It is quite possible for there to be many fields in the same region of space, all quite content to be at the same place.

Since: Sep 13

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#176512 Sep 6, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, that is an opinion, not a fact. Without evidence, there is no fact, and so no expert. it is the evidence that supports both.
<quoted text>
And why would you think that? Life has meaning even without a deity: supporting those we love, learning, teaching, reading, listening or producing music, laughing, dancing, exploring, etc. None of those require belief in a deity to be meaningful experiences.
I am sad to hear that your life is so narrow that the non-existence of a deity would make you not want to live any longer. That shows a narrowness and lack of self-esteem that is, unfortunately, common among theists.
Has anyone ever told you that you are full of kaka.
Life has no meaning without GOD. If you love, learn, teach, read, listen, laugh,dance, explore it only means that within you there is a belief in a deity. Its just that you don't understand what's going on and as said before 'lack Faith' which is everything.

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#176513 Sep 6, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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I got mine the same place you clean the urinals at....I figure you are the one leaving the little sticky notes "CLEANED BY #3".....good job by the way....
Your postings only confirm that there's more brains in a bottle of water.

Since: Sep 13

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#176514 Sep 6, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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no
the knowledge that you have only this ONE Life makes it all the more Important and meaningfull,
if you think theres heaven why dont you kill yourself and go there now!
why work and strugle making a living when Heaven is waiting for you?
A person is given Life to honor and love and obey GOD.

To kill onself is a sin in the eyes of GOD.

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