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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176439 Sep 5, 2013
Redoran wrote:
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Simply present the proof where a decedent who has knowingly gone to heaven (i.e., A Saint) who has communicated proof of this transition to a living person on planet Earth. There have been most assuredly tens of thousands of such instances. Show us all proof on just one. Now that is not asking, virtually, something hardly measurable. If you come through, you will be the first in history to do so.
The proof is all ways there you are denying it. Why? Perhaps you are without a soul and can't see it.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176440 Sep 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I have no desire to be trained in your la la land physics, the place where things "just are", and mysterious things happen at random.
Argue with mainstream physics.
Quantum mechanics *is* mainstream physics.
Space as we know it was formed from the singularity that expanded. That makes it a part of the package. It ain't a nothing. Space and matter can't occupy the same volume. But space does occupy volume between the filaments of the matter that was formed. You move matter, and you move the space out of that volume. That simple.
Simple, but wrong. Matter is in space, so space and matter can be in the same place. there is no exclusion between the two.
But go ahead and believe in magic if you want to.
I don't. I believe in verified physical results like those in quantum mechanics.
As space is moved matter or other space has to fill it.
Wrong.
Remember, this all came from the same singularity.
irrelevant.
This is where inertia comes from, and where gravity comes from. The space within the atoms move the atoms.
Wrong, and wrong.
Otherwise the atoms have to be kicked in the ass to move. You will not find one single atom that can propel itself.
irrelevant. Atoms move by exchanging particles associated with the forces.
That wake of transverse motion adds "gravity" to the static relationship. In a spiral you will be getting a periodic boost, your gravity waves, as particles pass between the outer particles and the center. Thisis a continuous process, not a static thing you figure with the standard formula. You have to add time and that temporary "void" from the wake, plus the closing radius, AND the barycenters of ALL the particles within range. Which is all particles in the universe.
Amazing how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. None of this is even close to being correct.
That is all turned into EM.
Wrong.
You think way too simply, and thus the requirement for your magic physics.
It should be very easy for a math head to put that together.
While 'easy', this is all very wrong. And easily shown to be wrong by simple experiments. It isn't even approximately correct, like classical physics. newton would have been able to show you are wrong.

You do realize that 'static' formulas typically involve time, right?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176441 Sep 5, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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The definition of religion even points out that atheism is not a religion. It seems cut and dry to me.
Take your argument to the United States government. The Churches of Atheism are respected as a religion in every detail. And you could make science a religion. Cut and dry. Period.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176442 Sep 5, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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I got mine the same place you clean the urinals at....I figure you are the one leaving the little sticky notes "CLEANED BY #3".....good job by the way....
I guess I missed a used condom left in one of them. Good to see you could put it to use. The boss would have been mad at me and fired me.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176443 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Quantum mechanics *is* mainstream physics.
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Simple, but wrong. Matter is in space, so space and matter can be in the same place. there is no exclusion between the two.
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I don't. I believe in verified physical results like those in quantum mechanics.
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Wrong.
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irrelevant.
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Wrong, and wrong.
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irrelevant. Atoms move by exchanging particles associated with the forces.
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Amazing how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. None of this is even close to being correct.
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Wrong.
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While 'easy', this is all very wrong. And easily shown to be wrong by simple experiments. It isn't even approximately correct, like classical physics. newton would have been able to show you are wrong.
You do realize that 'static' formulas typically involve time, right?
Matter and space can't occupy the same volume if they came from the same source. Now, they can after a fashion if the matter is knit from space. That would make "matter" 3D.

You don't realize how incomplete some of those statements you make are.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176444 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Actually, this is NOT what preliminary studies suggest. In fact, the studies we have right now suggest that the expansion will continue to accelerate. Dark matter isn't close to enough to stop the acceleration and cause a collapse.
Ain't science fun?

Just when we think we are about to get a handle on things?

Reality throws us a giant curve ball, and we have to re-evaluate everything once again.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176445 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Yes, and I am entitled to my perception as well as you are, yours. There is no question that my perception is far more positive than your is. If we meet on the other side, and I told you "See I told you so.". That should make you very happy. The shoe cold not be on the other foot, and that should now make you sad. You are correct the announcement you don't have a soul is trolling. Without doubt you are a troll by your very own standard.
Ego rant noted.

As is your continued display of your hate for me-- your attempt to belittle me near the end is evidence of how much you hate me.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176446 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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There goes your failed reading comprehension again. I never claimed to have an argument. No one could prove, period. We are all people of faith. Your suggestion there is an argument or debate is funny.
So you are simply in it to display how much you hate?

Okay-- that certainly fits your style.

Your continued attempt to belittle me, as a person, is noted.

And is more evidence of how deep your hate for me is.

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176447 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Your claim, that my claim, Atheism sucks =s hate.
If there was a hot dog, that I thought did not taste good and it made me sick. I would say that brand of hot dogs sucks. I would not hate the brand of hot dogs. I would avid the brand and advise others that it sucks. Such is Atheism.
Your entire sum of posts, consists of hate-speech.

The majority of what you write, is derogatory and personal attacks against the poster as a **person**.

You **never** attack the **idea**.

Even the above? You don't have any **Logic** to your attack-- just your whining about how much you **hate** it all.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176448 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I knew you hated The Church Lady. Superior Dance Time. T-Town clown to join in.
More personal attack of me.

More proof of how deep your hate for me is.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176449 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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If you had no faith you would never post in regards to religion period. You put way too much into this to make such a claim. It is why you may be the funniest blogger I have ever read. Douglas Adams eat your heart out should be your log on.
It's a hobby of mine-- so what?

All you do?

Is go on **personal** attack of **me**.

You **never****ever** attack my **ideas**...

... why?

Oh! Because you hate me so?

That seems to be it...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176450 Sep 5, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Funny Dave, seriously.
We know the exact figure really , you can chill something to 2.7 degrees above absolute zero, at that temperature you cannot remove the remaining kinetic energy of the atoms or particles.
That is the ground state of energy the lowest reduction possible , because to do so you would have to defeat the uncertainty principle and all known quantum effects.
But when you get to the punchline, "We are designed." you lost a cohesive narrative. I mean it's like giving the directions for cooking rice. And the saying.......
Bring 3 cups water to boil, add 1 cup rice, add butter and salt,
let come to boil, stir rice once, reduce heat and cover.
The sky may turn purple.
Brilliant!

"The sky may turn purple."

Efing brilliant satire!

And **exactly** correct.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176451 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Ye, of poor reading comprehension, not only have I admitted I could give you no argument. I have pointed out to you the argument can not begin and why. I tell you we can't have the argument because we lack the knowledge for it, and you start bobbing. Little Red Bobbing Hood fits you so good.
Not one argument in the above. Not one.

But lots and LOTS of HATE SPEECH-- nothing but personal attack and invective.

Your continued display of hate is astounding-- or it would be, if you were not already known as a hatecultist.

Sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176452 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I'll come back and respond to others later. I think part of the problem is they knocked The Gnostic Atheist off line. They not only gave a much better game, they did it with much better manners.
As opposed to your continued display of how deeply you hate?

How is that an improvement?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176453 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I disagree, and I believe as most scientist that discuss it on The Discovery Channel that Quantum Physics proves there is a God.
Who cares what YOU think?

You have NO ARGUMENT. None.

But you do have lots of display of your seething hate for non-theists....

... sickening.

Than god I'm not a believer like YOU.

<sarcastic irony>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176454 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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At best, they can be OK. At worst, they are pure myth. They are slightly better than most of what you get on TV because most of what you get on TV has absolutely no information content at all.
Or, in the case of Fox News?

Negative knowledge.

That is-- watching Fox News actually **reduces** the sum-totality of knowledge a person had before watching.

This has been shown to be true in acutal studies--- the proof, are the politicians backed by Fox, and the people who voted for them against their own self interests.

<snerk>

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#176455 Sep 5, 2013
CatholicHolyGhost wrote:
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Before the expert comes the fact. And the fact is that GOD always was and always will be.
It must be so terrible to go through Life without 'Faith'. What's the use of doing anything. Why not just die off anyways if you think there is no GOD. No use in hanging around. Yes!!!
“It must be quite galling for religious people to see atheists like me going about their business without a shred of guilt or self-loathing, and not in the least inclined to pray or to do penance of any kind, and not in the slightest bit worried about any form of eternal punishment. I have to admit if I was religious I'd probably think to myself: "How come I've got all this weight on my shoulders while these bums are getting a free ride?" – Condell

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#176457 Sep 5, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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You say this, but no one invest more time talking about figurative realism, than the online Atheist. I am sorry but I just don't buy what you say. Why do you invest your time trying to talk me out of believing Atheism is a religion, while you don't address The Churches of Atheism? I think the answer is obvious. Ok you could start bobbing now.
If there is a religion within atheism ,I do not know about it. But it is true Stalin and others created pseudo-religions out of atheism, but those philosophies are far and away from the American boys around here. I just do not believe there is any evidence that rings true for your bible god to have ever existed. It is however a great way for the Jews to rule over your mind. And play you like a violin, which they have done expertly and are living off your tax money and Americas might, without America, Tel Aviv cannot exist. But can you truly tell me if Tel Aviv is a symbiont or is it a parasite? Riddle me this
Robert Stevens. Because I think its got it's claws in you and is sucking your blood, and giving nothing back. Guess why? Because you have bought into the book of lies.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#176458 Sep 5, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Quantum mechanics *is* mainstream physics.
<quoted text>
Simple, but wrong. Matter is in space, so space and matter can be in the same place. there is no exclusion between the two.
<quoted text>
I don't. I believe in verified physical results like those in quantum mechanics.
<quoted text>
Wrong.
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irrelevant.
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Wrong, and wrong.
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irrelevant. Atoms move by exchanging particles associated with the forces.
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Amazing how you can be so confident and so wrong at the same time. None of this is even close to being correct.
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Wrong.
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While 'easy', this is all very wrong. And easily shown to be wrong by simple experiments. It isn't even approximately correct, like classical physics. newton would have been able to show you are wrong.
You do realize that 'static' formulas typically involve time, right?
The that sticks out here to me is this.

"Space and matter can't occupy the same volume."

What? Um "Space IS the volume" and matter occupies it or not.
But there is no space or any volume of it , we know of... not occupied by at least some matter . No matter how sparse the matter is.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176459 Sep 5, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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it was certainly nice of you to try it on for size
http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles2/a9...
Didn't have to. Could tell at a glance it was too small.

Did it work for you?

Oh, yes. It did. I forgot.

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