Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#175171 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I have a hard time understanding what you say after you agree with me. I just think you're claiming that you find it more likely there is no creator or any form of God. As posted earlier, I do believe we both know ourselves and we could both be right, we have our own existence. When one believes as I do, the spreading of Atheism makes no sense.
You just answered it for yourself: "when one believes as I do..."

Well, your personal, subjective experiences of reality are not "normal and natural" for everyone. Only (certain kinds of) Christians share your experiences. I don't.

I'm an atheist. I have very different experiences than you do. My reality is not a created one.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#175172 Aug 21, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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Projecting again Bucko,,
I had lights out experience few times,and guess what,no visions no NDE fantasy,just dark and sleep,,
Dying aint scary at all,as long as you go naturaly..
You also go to sleep and get up the same way. That's your physical consciousness. Your subconscious stands guard.

I hope the real thing works for you as well.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175173 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your post was like the majority of what you write: bullshit.
That's what you do, you know.
If your idiot ideas were CORRECT?
We should see ATHEIST countries FAILING, right and left.
And RELIGIOUS ones in the forefront.
Is this the case?
Nope.
On the world stage? The MORE religious a country's population is?
THE LOWER ON THE OVERALL SCALE OF SUCCESS IT IS.
Yep--that is the fact, jack.
Atheist countries? Experience higher average salary per person, higher quality/quantity medical care per person, lower crime rates per person, better education per person, lower infant deaths per person, longer lives per person, etc, etc, etc.
In short?
ALL THE AREAS THAT COUNT?
It's better to live in an **atheist** country than in a **theist** one.
By just about any measure you want to make.
Bob just go back to your last sentence. Be my guess move to China or North Korea.:-O yes who's the stupid bull shitter now. You need to thank (in your case) goodness that you were born in a country filled with good God fearing people. Face it Bob, Athism sucks.(a)theism is Ok.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175174 Aug 21, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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if this world is creation of a Perfect One,Im a monkeys uncle..LLL
souls dont exist,if they did we all could comunicate with the Dead folks souls right?
those that tell you they can are only Pretending to do so!
Two points of great comedy here. 1st. The Monkey's uncle. Remind you I o believe in evolution. We could trace back to bacteria. This "we evolved from tree primates" jive is just so false. A. We are not physically strong enough, or fast enough. B. More so. Our feet, would be completely different. Yes, there are missing links, and if we keep digging we will find them, BUT tree dwelling primates. Not very likely.

Face the fact. You don't have a soul. Why would you speak of it. Your not trusting others with experiences like yearning and meditation exercises isn't them lying it's your level of mistrust.

I won't do this again for you. please stay on topic. Next time I will spare you the buffoonery of you remarks, and request you stay on topic. Why are you posting or reading here, you can' stay on topic, and you might never have even been on topic.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175175 Aug 21, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You just answered it for yourself: "when one believes as I do..."
Well, your personal, subjective experiences of reality are not "normal and natural" for everyone. Only (certain kinds of) Christians share your experiences. I don't.
I'm an atheist. I have very different experiences than you do. My reality is not a created one.
Until you could prove there was no creator, yours is created. You admit then try not to, it's too funny.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#175176 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Two points of great comedy here. 1st. The Monkey's uncle. Remind you I o believe in evolution. We could trace back to bacteria. This "we evolved from tree primates" jive is just so false. A. We are not physically strong enough, or fast enough. B. More so. Our feet, would be completely different. Yes, there are missing links, and if we keep digging we will find them, BUT tree dwelling primates. Not very likely.
Face the fact. You don't have a soul. Why would you speak of it. Your not trusting others with experiences like yearning and meditation exercises isn't them lying it's your level of mistrust.
I won't do this again for you. please stay on topic. Next time I will spare you the buffoonery of you remarks, and request you stay on topic. Why are you posting or reading here, you can' stay on topic, and you might never have even been on topic.
Why don't you at least attempt to proofread your awful posts before you post them? Correct your grammar dipwad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175177 Aug 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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There is reason to not believe in them.
Indeed-- there are **no** facts in support of **any** god or gods.

None.

That is a whole lot of reason.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175178 Aug 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The fear of death. Convincing yourself this is all a dream, and there will be nothing after it. No more dealing with "reality". No accountability.
This is it.

As for accountability?

I have that **now**-- the US Constitution outlines the limits of what I may do, and sets my accountability.

You?

You pretend you have a "get out of jail free" every time you invoke a magic spell, "Jesus forgive me".

Which translates to you having NONE AT ALL.

Which explains why so many Genuine Christians™ fill prisons...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175179 Aug 21, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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most likely yes,
still if there was afterlife ,gods would not need to be existing anyways,souls would simply do and go wherever they want..LLL
Certainly nothing in the evil old bible books.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175180 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Bob just go back to your last sentence. Be my guess move to China or North Korea.
Neither are atheistic countries-- both are cults of personality-- a sort of religion: YOU WOULD LOVE IT THERE.

But Saudi Arabia? Is even MORE religious! You'd fit right in-- it's religious fascism-- your favorite.

I was referring to Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, the UK to name a few of the top contenders.

All have superior stats than the US has.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175181 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Until you could prove there was no creator, yours is created. You admit then try not to, it's too funny.
Science has done exactly that: the universe is not causal.

This is well established physics.

I know, I know-- it is way beyond your abilities to understand.

Too bad.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#175182 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Science has done exactly that: the universe is not causal.
This is well established physics.
I know, I know-- it is way beyond your abilities to understand.
Too bad.
Bloody 'eck, Bob, what are you doing up at this Bog-awful hour?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#175183 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Let's start from the treads name "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" The question mark in my opinion, means the word does belongs there, as the first word, causing the question. You admitting you have beliefs, that requires faith. Back to the question or just part of it "as much as religion". Not the question of style, but as much. Clearly faith is required. In my opinion answering the question asked. More faith than religion. The greatest evidence is here online, if this was not true this minority of people would not have so many online post treads, and the most blogged upon treads. The real question is, and I hope one day it is covered here "Could atheism be the majority, and not be fundamentalist?" I am sorry but my answer is "No" ad I don't think freedom of speech or religion would be afforded by such a group. Please spare me the mid evil ages crap. I am all ready telling that was just the times period.
"Mr.[Stevens], what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#175185 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Until you could prove there was no creator, yours is created. You admit then try not to, it's too funny.
Intellectual laziness at its finest.

1. You just made a claim statement - produce your evidence.

2. All religious believers "know" their religion is "the one, true religion." So you'd further have to explain why your deity and not any other. Go ahead, produce your evidence.

3. Again, for the slow of mind, your reality is a subjective one. it's not objectively real. It's not shared by everyone on this planet. It's most certainly not shared by believers of different religions to yours.

And it's not shared by atheists such as myself.

But don't take my word for it - produce your evidence, please.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#175186 Aug 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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2. All religious believers "know" their religion is "the one, true religion." So you'd further have to explain why your deity and not any other. Go ahead, produce your evidence.
Because of this, many theists have beliefs which are more akin to deists. They know, but often won't admit, that religion is nonsense, because more often than not, people are indoctrinated into a particular religion from birth.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175187 Aug 22, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Bloody 'eck, Bob, what are you doing up at this Bog-awful hour?
... um... not sleeping?

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175188 Aug 22, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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Because of this, many theists have beliefs which are more akin to deists. They know, but often won't admit, that religion is nonsense, because more often than not, people are indoctrinated into a particular religion from birth.
Indeed.

And I absolutely have **no** beef with such people.

Once they recognize that no religion can claim superiority over the next, with regards to the fundamental principles on which it's based?

They become more tolerant of other religions and even of non-religious too.

And quit trying to force-fit their religion into the public sphere.

Which is when I **quit** caring what they do in their spare time.

:)

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#175189 Aug 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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... um... not sleeping?
:D
I wasn't either. Only I'd just got home from work.

Blecchh.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#175190 Aug 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You also go to sleep and get up the same way. That's your physical consciousness. Your subconscious stands guard.
I hope the real thing works for you as well.
I just posted this in PTAG. Read the news link.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-man-declare ...

Another instance of a man being declared dead by learned other men coming to life again.

The patient didn't recall anything after going to bed the night before. But he had an issue that developed into his going to the hospital where he wound up being declared dead.

I posted in the Atheism requires faith forum this morning or last night about the subconscious stands guard in response to a poster that said he had lights out a few times and thought death was just going off to eternal sleep.

Evidently not. There was enough consciousness somewhere in there to be aware of reality and react to stimuli. Note the immediate response to his son's voice. That takes cognizance. Everything was shut off. Of course, once they started embalming he just wasn't going to come back in near the same physical condition.

I've posted a few times about this before."

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175191 Aug 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Neither are atheistic countries-- both are cults of personality-- a sort of religion: YOU WOULD LOVE IT THERE.
But Saudi Arabia? Is even MORE religious! You'd fit right in-- it's religious fascism-- your favorite.
I was referring to Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, the UK to name a few of the top contenders.
All have superior stats than the US has.
Those are not Atheist countries. Maybe UK, could you say too much taxes. Atheism sucks and North Korea and China are yours as was the former Soviet Union.

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