Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#174946 Aug 18, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> About time. When defining the age of the universe time is defined linear. 16 bil yrs ago or whatever. Now time is defined as a point on a globe?
Dave doesn't know what he's talking about. He believes every last aspect of the universe to be all about the glory of electromagnetic fields.

But don't take my word for it. Trust in Dave!

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#174947 Aug 18, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, between Godzilla and Mothra, which one's the bigger badass?
Well, in close quarters, Godzilla for sure. Evolution provided him with limbs and claws, and he is a fair boxer. Not to mention his breath.

I think Godzilla has the evolutionary advantage. About the worst Mothra could do to him is ruin his tuxedo. In the closet.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#174948 Aug 18, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> BS, Why do you make these idiot comparisons? What are you attempting to accomplish? 1+1=2 is true within its own context which is elemental math. You pull it out of context for what purpose other than obfuscation? You introduce a chess game for what? 1+1=2 exists in the same manner as E=MC2 as abstract concepts not time dependent. Because they are abstract they lack causal power. Truth is not time dependent. These constructs point to a source which is also not time dependent. We call that source God.
I'm going to have to go with Poly on this one. 1+1 does not always equal 2, especially when you are adding vectors or liquids.

Math is just a language created by us to quantify reality.

Your last sentences don't make any sense. "Truth is not time dependent." Yes, yes it is.

What constructs? You believe "truth" to be a reified thing?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#174949 Aug 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't fight it, Catcher. You can only go with its flow.
Scientific fact.
?

Catcher?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#174950 Aug 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"On another note.
Keep your running shoes handy. Godzilla has been twitching and will be waking soon."
"Awesome. Can't want to hang out with him again."
http://www.weather.com/news/volcano-japan-sak...
"The eruption is the latest in a string of recent natural calamities in Japan. A deadly, record-shattering heat wave has gripped Japan most of this month. Northern Japan suffered deadly landslides earlier this month and has seen additional heavy rainfall and floods in more recent days"
You know I am a figurative writer.
I went through a lot of trouble finding that post. I won't do it again.
Pay attention, little girl. Listen to Dave.
I said he was twitching. While your lectures can put us to sleep, I would suggest you shift to lullabies or an appropriate Buddhist chant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =B2rZNsqS-awXX
You really want him to go back sheepy bye. Very soon.
I'll give you some cuddling time if I can have whatever drugs you're on, oh venerable one.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#174951 Aug 18, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I did go to the theater to see the movie Wolverine yesterday. It was my day off and i was in the area. The movie took place in Japan. Two female actors and the Wolverine against the bad guys. So you should go see that movie. Actually i didn't think it was all that great but it was fun. I found a book for you on line. Won't cost you a thing except your time.
http://www.tro.dk/getFile.aspx...
Thanks, LB. I'm pretty stupid with my time, that's true.

To be honest, I like the Wolverine and his history through the comic books in Japan, but I really hate it when American pop culture portrays a stupid version of our culture. So I'm a bit worried about seeing that film.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#174952 Aug 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave doesn't know what he's talking about. He believes every last aspect of the universe to be all about the glory of electromagnetic fields.
But don't take my word for it. Trust in Dave!
For the life of me, I can't figure out why you and Polymath give Lightbeamrider the time of day.

What do you think you will accomplish?

Isn't it clear that she's hopelessly committed to her imaginary construct and is unable to respond to reason?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#174953 Aug 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If the universe expanded from a singularity, outward in all directions, yes, gravity could be considered as curved spacetime. Would certainly take on that appearance to an observer in the midst. Might not be, but would certainly look that way. One could even think that space would be curved according to the mass distributions it is in line with. It could be more curvy in some places more than others. Could even create, oops, there's that word, forms and shapes.
Gravity has one pretty well defined characteristic. It works in straight lines. Always has.
Your curved spacetime is illusory. Caused by staring at papers too much.
<The Dave Nelson> "I AM BATMAN!"

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#174954 Aug 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave doesn't know what he's talking about. He believes every last aspect of the universe to be all about the glory of electromagnetic fields.
But don't take my word for it. Trust in Dave!
Sweet love, would you bring me a thimble full of protons, or neutrons, or both, please?

You might have trouble picking them up, but you will figure a way with your scientific knowledge.

That force is responsible for everything you experience, and you have to get through it to get to anything else. It is the skin of matter. It is the only way you can even observe or deduce atomic particles. It IS existence. Don't sell it short.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#174955 Aug 18, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I did go to the theater to see the movie Wolverine yesterday. It was my day off and i was in the area. The movie took place in Japan. Two female actors and the Wolverine against the bad guys. So you should go see that movie. Actually i didn't think it was all that great but it was fun. I found a book for you on line. Won't cost you a thing except your time.
http://www.tro.dk/getFile.aspx...
Uhm...just a couple quick comments:

1 Japanese Zen Buddhists don't believe God is all, so that book misrepresents them. You have to invoke a lot of theology to reach that point and, as I'm sure you already know, theology isn't a Buddhist way of thinking.

2 You may disagree, but when Christians talk of faith they mean something more than "I have faith in the doctor." Your faith in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit is deeply meaningful to you and moves you in ways that "I'm sure this pill will work, that doctor wears a white suit!" cannot convey. So I have some issues equating the "faith" atheists have to the "faith" Christians have.

I mean, isn't it derogatory to you? Don't you think your faith conveys more than what that book suggests is mine?

3 The book claims that reality is knowable, that objective truth exists and it is found through religion. I disagree on all points.

4 I do agree with him that some (my word, not his) "truth" (his word, not mine) exists regardless of our desires. His conclusion, that Christianity is the one, true religion and that you have to respect other's religious beliefs anyways, is thoughtless, self serving and without merit. His argument here is poor - and grossly oversimplified.

4a. This, in particular, is a ridiculous error in logic:

"truth exists, and it is absolute and undeniable. To say “truth cannot be known” is self-defeating because that very statement claims to be a known, absolute truth." pp. 62, top

It's circular logic and relying on assumptions and claims he made that he didn't support and are false. If anything, all science has demonstrated that "truth" is relative to the observer - quite a long time ago. So he's using outdated and oversimplified philosophy here to support a theological argument.

5 I apologize, I sort of gave up at this point. I find this book quite hard to read - it's clearly aimed at the religions and written in a sort of sermon way.

6. However, I'll keep it. If you wish to discuss any particular paragraph or chapter, bring it up and you and I can banter about it.

Thank you for linking it.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#174956 Aug 18, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
For the life of me, I can't figure out why you and Polymath give Lightbeamrider the time of day.
What do you think you will accomplish?
Isn't it clear that she's hopelessly committed to her imaginary construct and is unable to respond to reason?
I must have some kind of psychosis to come here. Is there a cure, Catcher?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#174957 Aug 18, 2013
<The Dave Nelson> "Blaaa, Blu Bu blaahhr, Bee Buba Bla Bla!... RAMAMAMLALA..."
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you some cuddling time if I can have whatever drugs you're on, oh venerable one.
It's called MYOPIC EGO.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#174958 Aug 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll give you some cuddling time if I can have whatever drugs you're on, oh venerable one.
Godzilla farts more when he stirs in his sleep.

I warned you. But don't let that be the last thing on your mind. Focus on surviving.

I would suggest a long and distant vacation, starting real soon, until the week after the Fall equinox.

You have a SO, so I'm not sharing.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#174959 Aug 18, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Every morning I awake. I don't see why I should be persuading you towards my religious beliefs. This is a tread for you to prove yours. In an era of many people giving their beliefs, I don't rank Atheist in the top 10 of likelihood.
This is not a thread to have to prove anyone's belief. This is an atheist forum...it's made for discussions of a non-religious nature to be held amongst people of who are not religious. Of course anyone can discuss what they like to, but this is not a thread or a forum for proof to be provided to anyone.
Anon

Cleveland, OH

#174960 Aug 18, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, in close quarters, Godzilla for sure. Evolution provided him with limbs and claws, and he is a fair boxer. Not to mention his breath.
I think Godzilla has the evolutionary advantage. About the worst Mothra could do to him is ruin his tuxedo. In the closet.
Not so fast there, pardner. Even in her (Mothra is female) larval stage, she could do some serious damage. She's also got the nuclear thing going for her, and it's more refined than 'Zilla's. Her trump card is the ability to fly. Air power gives her a huge advantage, and the ability to shoot some kind of sticky crap while flying, equals one formidable monster. Read it and weep...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothra
Bongo

Bronx, NY

#174961 Aug 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I must have some kind of psychosis to come here. Is there a cure, Catcher?
Bwhahahahaha he heeee perhaps a little Buck?

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#174962 Aug 18, 2013
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so fast there, pardner. Even in her (Mothra is female) larval stage, she could do some serious damage. She's also got the nuclear thing going for her, and it's more refined than 'Zilla's. Her trump card is the ability to fly. Air power gives her a huge advantage, and the ability to shoot some kind of sticky crap while flying, equals one formidable monster. Read it and weep...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothra
Godzilla drinks nuked water for an energy boost.

Ever see a moth fly into a flame?

Mothra is just a nuisance.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#174963 Aug 18, 2013
In Dave's world a math teacher grades some tests and has 20 students score a 95%. The teacher then lectures the class on those 20 averaging a 0%! Only in Dave's world!

SMH

Keep humiliating yourself for our amusement senile old man.

Video of Dave.

Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"The most notable event of Operation Castle was the Castle Bravo test. " needs a man.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#174964 Aug 18, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
According to Dr Michael Newton what you suggest will happen. I do see Atheist reacting as you suggest. Atheism will remain a unproven faith. You'll prove Orwell correct as you introduce things like 2+2=5. It will be the end of science as we know it, because my original statement is true and you know it. That is Atheism can't be a proven fact, unless man knew everything. We won't know everything but in such a society we would pretend we do, actually more like demand it. Books will be burned and sciences will be forbidden. All because The Universe is gathering so many intelligent beings that not all of them could have intelligent souls. I would predict a cleaner Earth, but when Earth dies so would the Human Race.
The above babble and pack'o'lies is the result of ...

... BRAIN DAMAGE.

Yes, folks, there you have it-- faith DAMAGES YOUR MIND in irrevocable ways such that you can spew such idiotic nonsense as in the above.

It's pretty sad to witness, though.

The above hate-filled nonsense represents another wasted human life.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#174965 Aug 18, 2013
Typical Christhole response. Not an expert in anything but demands you be. Oh and then claims you are wanting to be superior to this imaginary friend of his because you don't believe in him. The sheer arrogance.

SMH
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you qualified? Do you have doctorates in physics, astrophysics, or quantum physics?
I have to be honest, and I hope you'll forgive me here. I strongly disagree and am somewhat disappointed that you used this tactic. Normally, I respect most of your statements as sincere dialogue even though my conclusions disagree with your own.
What I find troubling is that the atheist community (in general) seems driven to claim intellectual superiority over those who don't share the same worldview. This sets up an "Us vs. them" dichotomy that degenerates into fanaticism. And yes I'm just as troubled by theists who attempt to do the same thing, and we both know some do. To say otherwise would be naive at best and blatantly dishonest at worst.
My question may seem rhetorical, but I invite you to give it some serious thought even if it challenges you on a very deep and personal level. Here it is:
Is the need to feel intellectually superior driven by an absence or void of something else in your life? Say, God?

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