Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Jul 26, 2013
 
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I agree-- leaving the scene is the best "defense" of all.
But if you're in your own home? Leaving may not be a reasonable option.
I'm kind of torn about this one-- as I do think each life is unique, and worthy of trying to preserve.
But I also think an individual should have the right to stop someone else from doing violence to them.
As a reasonable and (I think) moral person, I will make every reasonable effort not to kill anyone. Even if I'm not legally obliged to.

That said, absent alternatives, I'll put two in his head without a second thought.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
No you are relying on biased apologetic sources as usual.

There is no scripture saying Jesus was born in a house? You really never have read the gospels have you?

Luke says they lived in Nazareth and were traveling to Bethlehem and had to stay in the manger where Mary gave birth. The earlier version of the myth in Matthew says he was born in his parent's Bethlehem house and remained there for two years.

So which is it? Perhaps they lived in the manger for two years? Lol!
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<quoted text>Wrong as usual I see.:))

http://www.nazareth-israel.com/nazarteh-histo...

There was no scripture that says Jesus was born in the home of Mary.
Said the blind Keystone Cop to the park bench after pulling it over for speeding.:))

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Jul 27, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I absolutely agree.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/89763280/Order-Deny...

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Jul 27, 2013
 

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<quoted text>In the interest of accuracy, I used to teach that carry stuff.
The VERY FIRST rule was "don't even touch the gun unless you're in enough danger to kill".
Brandishing, shooting to wound, and warning shots were right OUT.
If you need it enough to pull it, you need it enough to put two in his head - otherwise, run away screaming.
That's one way. Want to see another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Jul 27, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
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That's one way. Want to see another?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Laffin. I've not seen that in decades.
One will not notice tht Chuck B got 8 rounds out of a 6-round revolver...

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Jul 27, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Laffin. I've not seen that in decades.
One will not notice tht Chuck B got 8 rounds out of a 6-round revolver...
From what I hear, everybody was stoned in the 70's.

Hey, I don't judge.

What a cool movie. Movies are just fantasies, right?

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Jul 27, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
Wait, "nearly missing his head."?

Page 4. Yes, I read it.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
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From what I hear, everybody was stoned in the 70's.
Hey, I don't judge.
What a cool movie. Movies are just fantasies, right?
I'm pretty sure I wasn't stoned back then - although beer was involved now and then.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty sure I wasn't stoned back then - although beer was involved now and then.
I know a guy that has a nine shot .22 revolver.

He keeps one chamber empty.

I'm stoned now. I don't drink alcohol.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Wait, "nearly missing his head."?
Page 4. Yes, I read it.
lol , whoever wrote that must have meany narrowly.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
LOL that's only funny because she did miss, but I gotta admit that's funny as hell.

HAHAHAH
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Jul 27, 2013
 
SYG = sell you guns
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He followed an unarmed kid, then shot him dead? How on earth was that "self defense"?
If the SYG was **not** his escape clause? Then there was a gross violation of justice-- he murdered an unarmed kid in cold blood.
Premeditated murder, as he had to chase him down to do it.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Sure if you omit he was not breaking the law , when JR. slipped up from behind him.
Sorry you lost the case.
What will it take you to settle into the idea justice was served?
Whether right or wrong.....It's over.
Go home.
No... not even.

Stand Your Ground law is fatally and irretrievably broken.

It has been since it was passed.

What's WORSE? It is in DIRECT CONFLICT with existing laws! Which were NOT repealed.

So the "justice" department is forced to CHOOSE.

And if you're WHITE? The choice is different.

If you are a brown-skinned person? A different choice.

That's not "justice"... that's something else.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
Justshootthebastard wrote:
<quoted text>You Sir seem to be about the biggest idiot, you should ask for forgiveness from any and everyone who has read your bs
Riiiiiight.... just like YOU asked "forgiveness" from your Jewsus?

Riiiiiight.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
Justshootthebastard wrote:
<quoted text>Unless it's George Zimmerman, his head was being pounded into the sidewalk and you saymhe killed him in cold blood.
Riiiiiiiight.... Jewsus would be **so** proud of you...

.... not!

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Jul 27, 2013
 
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Even the jurors were planning to convict.
Juror says Zimmerman ‘got away with murder’
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/26/juror-says-zim...
BTW about all those pics on facebook:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin....
The SYG law is a serious screw-up.

It's in direct conflict with existing laws--which were never appealed.

So, the "justice" department gets to CHOOSE WHICH TO APPLY.

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Jul 27, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>As a reasonable and (I think) moral person, I will make every reasonable effort not to kill anyone. Even if I'm not legally obliged to.

That said, absent alternatives, I'll put two in his head without a second thought.
If it's dark?(which it most likely would be-- you know thieves)

I'll likely trust on the fact that within 15 feet, using a full-choke bore, a 12 guage with birdshot, the shot still acts like a single mass.

So, it's center-of-mass, just like I was taught.

One of the nicer aspects of the birdshot, though? It won't penetrate more than one layer of wall... that mass breaks up on contact with... pretty much whatever it hits first.

Now, in the case of the clothing? No big deal--the energy is still working at that point, and a 12-guage sized hole is the result.

But in the case of wall material? After breaking up, it doesn't travel much beyond the first wall, and has little or no energy.

As such, my ***neighbors*** will be just fine, if, in the dark, I somehow miss with the first shot....

... alas, most any handgun with a reasonable chance of getting the job done, can easily pass through several layers of wallboard-- of wood too.

Especially if the bullet is jacketed-- as most are. Being small, they **need** to penetrate to do what they are supposed to do.

But that's just my personal home-defense preference.

Your mileage may vary-- here in Oklahomer?

The only **real** worry I have, is that the would-be thief was an actual **intruder** in that he **did** come inside my house.

At worst, I'll have to give up my el-cheapo shotgun for awhile, and possibly make a formal statement to a grand jury.

But, according to Oklahomer law? All I must demonstrate, is that I **really** did **think** my life was in danger.

And if I actually pulled that trigger? I really did-- or I wouldn't have in the first place.

I'd much rather the would-be thief beats-cheeks for the horizon, upon hearing the CLACK-CLACK of a 12 gauge round being chambered in the dark...

.... thank the stars for Hollywood! Everyone **knows** the sound of a 12 gauge pumpgun being chambered...

.... heh.

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#173038
Jul 27, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
No you are relying on biased apologetic sources as usual.
And speaking of Hollywood and Fanciful Tales of Imagination and "Mystery"?

<laughing with you here>

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Jul 27, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
There you go-- "justice" is applied UNequally.

It all depends on your lawyer, I guess-- and how well he/she can manipulate "justice" properly in your favor.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No... not even.
Stand Your Ground law is fatally and irretrievably broken.
It has been since it was passed.
What's WORSE? It is in DIRECT CONFLICT with existing laws! Which were NOT repealed.
So the "justice" department is forced to CHOOSE.
And if you're WHITE? The choice is different.
If you are a brown-skinned person? A different choice.
That's not "justice"... that's something else.
I understand you may feel strongly about it, but don't see race as having an effect in the case. Zimmerman was not breaking the law by following Martin. He may have been morally wrong but not legally wrong. Zimmerman was within the rights of the law to use deadly force when Martin was on top of him, again he may have been morally wrong , but not legally. Color of skin has nothing to do with those two facts, and is the reason the jury found him not guilty. End of story, except for the whining and crying anyway.

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