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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#171972 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>please don't bring the gay thing in this
What in the fu$king holy sh!t are you talking about you damn ignorant excuse for a human.

You are one of the most evil reprobates on the net. How do you live with yourself? I am sorry that you are gay but just except it and be happy with your life.

You cannot defend your belief system with direct facts, evidence or the bible.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171973 Jul 13, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
I actually googled every one of these verses, and every on of them were typed correctly and come straight from the bible. You can check every verse under NIV, King James and any other version of the bible on BibleGateway.com . There are so so many contradictions and mistakes in the bible it's crazy!!! This is not something that you can deny, you can only ignore it....and if you ignore it, it just shows how blindly you follow your religion.
google 1 cor 2-14 it will tell you you don't understand God's word like billions of christians agree with me... please don't quote something you don't understand or believe!!

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#171974 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>please don't bring the gay thing in this
Why do you keep talking about homosexuals?

Come out of the closet already, we all know you want to.

“1000 Sting of Scorpion to you”

Since: Feb 07

Jurassic, Indiana

#171975 Jul 13, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>
Holysh!y man don’t use facts or truth with T-Clown it will only make the ignorant ass more confused.
Wrong! Clown is not an ignorant ass! An ignorant ass is an unrighteous man that opens The Bible and sees nothing but old stories, riddles, and unbelievable mysteries. Even when a righteous man first opens The Bible he pretty much sees the same thing an unholy man sees. The difference is ... God knows who is unrighteous, and who is righteous. The unrighteous man will open The Bible and be bored within a few minutes because of his non-belief in God. The Bible is completely Greek to him. He cannot make heads or tails out of it. Wild, unbelievable stories to the unrighteous! The righteous man is hungry for the Word of God, opens The Bible and will be blessed with the Holy Spirit who knows he is a believer, and has faith in God. All of God's words are decoded so to speak, and the meaning within spills into the consciousness of the righteous man.

Osama has put this into layman's terms, so maybe you non-believers can see how The Bible is understood. Bottom line... you have to believe in God, believe in God's Word, and have Faith in God! Do that, and open the Bible, hungry for God's Word, and The Holy Spirit will guide you word by word through the Bible. Osama prays that a few of you will come to this understanding!
>:)

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#171976 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>very poor education you have
Your ignorance is staggering.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#171977 Jul 13, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe at four years old he crawled back up Mary's snatch to come out again at the proper date?
I guess that would technically make it a virgin rebirth.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#171978 Jul 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Mistakes taken as truths at the time can kill people. Of course you can just chalk them up as statistics, unless you are one of them.

Those mistakes, particularly in physics, also branch off and get manifested in other disciplines of science. A ripple effect that can take considerably longer than 20 or 50 years to correct.

There is much to be said for getting it right the first time, and not professing those ultimately mistakes as "truths" in the search for knowledge, which is almost always the case. Your approach there is just science apologetics. Your belief system justifies those mistakes and lives lost and other harmful things to mankind in your "search for knowledge". The means justifies the end. You are totally ignoring the personal aspects of the living experience and the rights of individuals to experience them. Your god is this nebulous desire to conquer the universe which your own science says will be impossible.

You speak of 20 and 50 year periods to prove something by lasting. Religions and theistic, deistic, and beliefs in the supernatural have lasted for thousands of years. They have been put to the test repeatedly and severely. Why are you now saying they are all wrong out of hand?

You are caught in a cult.
Religion fails every test.

It's hard to believe anybody can be as obstinately ignorant as you.

Hard, but not impossible.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171979 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>google 1 cor 2-14 it will tell you you don't understand God's word like billions of christians agree with me... please don't quote something you don't understand or believe!!
Please don't assume that I haven't been right there in your holy shoes. I was a "christian" for many many years, and there are many parts of the bible that have never made sense to me. Not even after praying and asking him to give me wisdom and understanding did it make sense.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171980 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>google 1 cor 2-14 it will tell you you don't understand God's word like billions of christians agree with me... please don't quote something you don't understand or believe!!
Not to mention that these are not things that take some sort of special explanation...they are black and white contradictions. There are no twisting of the words...no insults to the book...simply black and white differences. Please understand that just those few verses, and those simple differences are just a few of many. When you ignore these it simply shows that you are ignoring something significant just for the sake of saving face. That is one of the reasons I said that I could no longer call myself a christian. I can't put faith in the bible as the "word of God" when there are so many contradictions in information. Some of them have nothing to do with anything really...such as who is Jacob's father. One verse says Heli..the other says Jacob. In plain black and white. How can you read that and deny the mistake.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171981 Jul 13, 2013
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! Clown is not an ignorant ass! An ignorant ass is an unrighteous man that opens The Bible and sees nothing but old stories, riddles, and unbelievable mysteries. Even when a righteous man first opens The Bible he pretty much sees the same thing an unholy man sees. The difference is ... God knows who is unrighteous, and who is righteous. The unrighteous man will open The Bible and be bored within a few minutes because of his non-belief in God. The Bible is completely Greek to him. He cannot make heads or tails out of it. Wild, unbelievable stories to the unrighteous! The righteous man is hungry for the Word of God, opens The Bible and will be blessed with the Holy Spirit who knows he is a believer, and has faith in God. All of God's words are decoded so to speak, and the meaning within spills into the consciousness of the righteous man.
Osama has put this into layman's terms, so maybe you non-believers can see how The Bible is understood. Bottom line... you have to believe in God, believe in God's Word, and have Faith in God! Do that, and open the Bible, hungry for God's Word, and The Holy Spirit will guide you word by word through the Bible. Osama prays that a few of you will come to this understanding!
>:)
Please don't assume that I haven't been right there in your holy shoes. I was a "christian" for many many years, and there are many parts of the bible that have never made sense to me. Not even after praying and asking him to give me wisdom and understanding did it make sense.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171982 Jul 13, 2013
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! Clown is not an ignorant ass! An ignorant ass is an unrighteous man that opens The Bible and sees nothing but old stories, riddles, and unbelievable mysteries. Even when a righteous man first opens The Bible he pretty much sees the same thing an unholy man sees. The difference is ... God knows who is unrighteous, and who is righteous. The unrighteous man will open The Bible and be bored within a few minutes because of his non-belief in God. The Bible is completely Greek to him. He cannot make heads or tails out of it. Wild, unbelievable stories to the unrighteous! The righteous man is hungry for the Word of God, opens The Bible and will be blessed with the Holy Spirit who knows he is a believer, and has faith in God. All of God's words are decoded so to speak, and the meaning within spills into the consciousness of the righteous man.
Osama has put this into layman's terms, so maybe you non-believers can see how The Bible is understood. Bottom line... you have to believe in God, believe in God's Word, and have Faith in God! Do that, and open the Bible, hungry for God's Word, and The Holy Spirit will guide you word by word through the Bible. Osama prays that a few of you will come to this understanding!
>:)
Not to mention that these are not things that take some sort of special explanation...they are black and white contradictions. There are no twisting of the words...no insults to the book...simply black and white differences. Please understand that just those few verses, and those simple differences are just a few of many. When you ignore these it simply shows that you are ignoring something significant just for the sake of saving face. That is one of the reasons I said that I could no longer call myself a christian. I can't put faith in the bible as the "word of God" when there are so many contradictions in information. Some of them have nothing to do with anything really...such as who is Jacob's father. One verse says Heli..the other says Jacob. In plain black and white. How can you read that and deny the mistake.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#171983 Jul 13, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess that would technically make it a virgin rebirth.
Or is it after birth rebirth?

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#171984 Jul 13, 2013
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong! Clown is not an ignorant ass! An ignorant ass is an unrighteous man that opens The Bible and sees nothing but old stories, riddles, and unbelievable mysteries. Even when a righteous man first opens The Bible he pretty much sees the same thing an unholy man sees. The difference is ... God knows who is unrighteous, and who is righteous.
Then no religious person can be righteous.
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>
The unrighteous man will open The Bible and be bored within a few minutes because of his non-belief in God. The Bible is completely Greek to him. He cannot make heads or tails out of it. Wild, unbelievable stories to the unrighteous!
It is the religious that cannot see the bible for what it is.
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>
The righteous man is hungry for the Word of God, opens The Bible and will be blessed with the Holy Spirit who knows he is a believer, and has faith in God. All of God's words are decoded so to speak, and the meaning within spills into the consciousness of the righteous man.
No religious can truly have consciousness with the hate in their hearts.
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>
Osama has put this into layman's terms, so maybe you non-believers can see how The Bible is understood. Bottom line... you have to believe in God, believe in God's Word, and have Faith in God!
Faith is believing without any proof or reason.
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>
Do that, and open the Bible, hungry for God's Word, and The Holy Spirit will guide you word by word through the Bible. Osama prays that a few of you will come to this understanding!
>:)
You really do not understand do you? I was a devout christian for 43 years. The bible is what changed my mind, I read it many times over and over and it convinced me that it was pure bunk.
How you can start with your hate and insults.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171985 Jul 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Your ignorance is staggering.
You atheists chumps blindly believe that life came from non-life. talking ignorance! you're the GRAND POOBAH of dumb @ss

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#171987 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>You atheists chumps blindly believe that life came from non-life. talking ignorance! you're the GRAND POOBAH of dumb @ss
Stop trying to change subject and explain the errors in the bibull.

“1000 Sting of Scorpion to you”

Since: Feb 07

Jurassic, Indiana

#171988 Jul 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you read:-
> Can you read? Why couldn't you comprehend what Osama said in his post answering your questions? I've asked God why I should have to repeat myself over and over to you atheists! God said to Osama, "You have to be very patient with these people. They barely believe that they exist much less that I exist"!
Osama looks up into the heavens and...
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yes Sir, Lord, You do have a great sense of humor!
Sorry, Sir ... please excuse Osama for interrupting you!
And God gives Osama a big Heavenly Laugh...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
"Okay, Osama, enough humor ... back to business...
Although you being able to convince them of My existence is slim and none, you should keep hammering them with truths ... it will strengthen your resolve. Osama, your God is really heartbroken that these people see no light at the end of the tunnel, other than the light that surrounds the area of a Super Massive Black Hole that their scientist-astronomer idols show them. It's almost as bad as pulling teeth, and trying to get Oscar the Grouch to come out of his garbage can, I tell ya!"" Osama is heartbroken too, Lord! He knows a couple of these atheists have a 50/50 chance of making it to Heaven. Las Vegas' line is 5/95. Not good odds I'm afraid! Anyway, Osama will be like a mad jackhammer and pound away at the miniscule clay and straw atheist scientific cult headquarters. Praise be to God! "
>:)

“1000 Sting of Scorpion to you”

Since: Feb 07

Jurassic, Indiana

#171989 Jul 13, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to mention that these are not things that take some sort of special explanation...they are black and white contradictions. There are no twisting of the words...no insults to the book...simply black and white differences. Please understand that just those few verses, and those simple differences are just a few of many. When you ignore these it simply shows that you are ignoring something significant just for the sake of saving face. That is one of the reasons I said that I could no longer call myself a christian. I can't put faith in the bible as the "word of God" when there are so many contradictions in information. Some of them have nothing to do with anything really...such as who is Jacob's father. One verse says Heli..the other says Jacob. In plain black and white. How can you read that and deny the mistake.
> Yes, I See You... there is life beyond the end of your nose! What don't you understand about Osama's explanation that what ungodly people see as mistakes, and confliting statements in The Bible that has to be seen through the eyes of the believer? Sorry, I See You... but, you don't see very much do you? Osama put it to you non-believers in plain English. Osama even put it into layman's terms so that you who are uneducated, and can't comprehend more sophisticated writings could understand. Please reread Osama's simple explanation about reading and understanding The Bible!
>:)

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171990 Jul 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop trying to change subject and explain the errors in the bibull.
you can't spell... poor education you have there

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#171991 Jul 13, 2013
Osama bin-Saban wrote:
<quoted text>> Can you read? Why couldn't you comprehend what Osama said in his post answering your questions? I've asked God why I should have to repeat myself over and over to you atheists! God said to Osama, "You have to be very patient with these people. They barely believe that they exist much less that I exist"!
Osama looks up into the heavens and...
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yes Sir, Lord, You do have a great sense of humor!
Sorry, Sir ... please excuse Osama for interrupting you!
And God gives Osama a big Heavenly Laugh...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
"Okay, Osama, enough humor ... back to business...
Although you being able to convince them of My existence is slim and none, you should keep hammering them with truths ... it will strengthen your resolve. Osama, your God is really heartbroken that these people see no light at the end of the tunnel, other than the light that surrounds the area of a Super Massive Black Hole that their scientist-astronomer idols show them. It's almost as bad as pulling teeth, and trying to get Oscar the Grouch to come out of his garbage can, I tell ya!"" Osama is heartbroken too, Lord! He knows a couple of these atheists have a 50/50 chance of making it to Heaven. Las Vegas' line is 5/95. Not good odds I'm afraid! Anyway, Osama will be like a mad jackhammer and pound away at the miniscule clay and straw atheist scientific cult headquarters. Praise be to God! "
>:)
Yes I can read, you did not answer a SINGLE point. Your long winded post said nothing.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#171992 Jul 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
You copy & paste but with no understanding.


I could say the same about you. In fact, I'm about to do exactly that.
Richardfs wrote:
So let us talk about the 2000+ year old uncorrected errors in the bibull:-
Yes! By all means! I look forward to this.
Richardfs wrote:
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
Writers of the bible (especially in the OT) didn't always write about secondary events. Therefore, God didn't tempt or incite David. God allowed Satan to tempt David.
Richardfs wrote:
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
1 Chronicles is speaking of the male population that can be called on to fight, while 2 Samuel is speaking of the professional army that is trained and ready to fight.
Richardfs wrote:
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
The same principle applies to this apparent contradiction as well.
Richardfs wrote:
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
There had already been 4 years of famine. God was asking David if he wanted 3 more years of famine or if he wanted to be on the run from his enemies for 3 months, or if he wanted 3 days of pestilence. God was giving David a choice.
Richardfs wrote:
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
Ahaziah was the son of Joram. Joram was sick and it's plausible even probable that Ahaziah ruled jointly with his father, and then in the 12th year started to rule by himself.

This is fun! Shall I keep going?:)

Advice before listing apparent contradictions:

Verses in one book of the bible cannot be compared with verses in another book for the purpose of finding contradictions. That is known as "proof-texting" and isn't intelligent nor honest.

Each verse should be considered within the larger passages in which they are found, and with knowledge of Hebrew customs, history, traditions, and the genre of each book. This will keep you from making foolish arguments.

I know I didn't answer them all, but if you seriously want answers (as opposed to mockery and derision) then I'll be glad to help.

P.S. At the end of the day, science can't prove science.:D

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