Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#171489 Jul 9, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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They became believers because of what they witnessed, and because they wanted to preserve it, they wrote it down. First century Israeli culture was an orally dominated culture. Historical event was memorized and passed on within specific communities and groups. Look it up. Not only that, they were what is known as a "high context culture." Many things were left unsaid (or unwritten) because the assumption of the culture was that if you were a part of that culture, you knew what everybody else in that culture knew. It didn't have to be defined or discussed in detail.
If you're trying to imply that their bias fed into their beliefs, then you would be partially correct, but not in the way that you as a skeptic might think. The bias of the early Christians (the apostles specifically) existed because of what they witnessed with their own eyes, and grew in proportion to their faith. Your implication that believers words don't count because they're believers also fails in another way.
This history mattered to them because they saw it as sacred and holy. It wasn't a matter of discussing why their camel or donkey was getting old. This was a big deal to them, so of course they had bias. Would you expect a passionate sound engineer to write a 50 page doctoral thesis on the subject of Victorian era plumbing and sanitation? You have bias, I have bias, everybody has bias. Your unstated (yet implied) charge isn't a logical argument.
The only person in the bible who has secular proof of existence (that I know of) is Pontius Pilate. His name is recorded in Roman records as a government official.

The Romans did not have a religious drum to beat. The records do not say anything else about him, whether he pronounced judgement on a man named Jesus or even whether or not he had a wife who might or might not have a had a dream.

Again, do you have any independent, secular proof? We've all heard fish stories.....and the one that got away keeps growing. That's pretty much an example of oral history.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171490 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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The only thing that this verse says to me is that you worship a "god" who is so egotistical he thinks he should be able to scare me into loving him. I will never believe in the biblical "god", and that is only one of the reasons why.
I don't think its for you. I worship a loving GOD! JESUS CHRIST who died for me.. and rose from the grave... by faith Im saved...

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#171491 Jul 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You dodged the Socrates question.
No, he answered it quite well.....and it went right over your head.

As per usual;0)

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171492 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>until you are saved! satan owns your soul
nuh uh...the bible says we're all "god's" children!!!! lol

Seriously though....Satan doesn't exist either so I'm good :D

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171493 Jul 9, 2013
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 10:32-33)

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#171494 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think its for you. I worship a loving GOD! JESUS CHRIST who died for me.. and rose from the grave... by faith Im saved...
God required a human sacrifice to be happy and you call that "love" ?

I am so glad you folks hate me.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171495 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think its for you. I worship a loving GOD! JESUS CHRIST who died for me.. and rose from the grave... by faith Im saved...
The biblical faith is definitely not for me no...I'm glad you think you know where your goin ;)

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171496 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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nuh uh...the bible says we're all "god's" children!!!! lol
Seriously though....Satan doesn't exist either so I'm good :D
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.(John 3:16-18)

Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.(Mark 16:14-16)

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#171497 Jul 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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LOL!!
That was your answering in detail?
You have more accounts of a Jesus being alive than Socrates.
Bwahahahaha
Prove he was alive and not a figment of Plato's imagination. Give us some secular records or something.
Interesting how he was killed for his beliefs, eh?
JC gave you a way of thinking, too.
You are such an immature thinker.
You are tedious and deliberately obtuse. But hey, you're one step ahead of the T Town Clown, so I suppose you have something to be proud of...sort of;0)

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171498 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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The biblical faith is definitely not for me no...I'm glad you think you know where your goin ;)
I will go to heaven...

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171499 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.(Matthew 10:32-33)
There again. Ego.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#171500 Jul 9, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Google it.
If it isn't worth your time it certainly isn't worth mine. I'm familiar with all of the apologist arguments and upon thorough inspection, none of them offer compelling evidence.

All you have to offer are bare assertions as long as you don't support your assertions with some sort of substantiated information.

It isn't my task, to verify what you claim.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171501 Jul 9, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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No, he answered it quite well.....and it went right over your head.
As per usual;0)
He said nothing other than he worshiped Socrates and therefore he existed. That is all he said.

Now, you posted earlier about Pilate being the only "officially" recorded personage of the JC story.

Now, give us "official" proof that Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato actually existed.

Show us your stuff, big girl. We are waiting.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171502 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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There again. Ego.
its the truth

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171503 Jul 9, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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You are tedious and deliberately obtuse. But hey, you're one step ahead of the T Town Clown, so I suppose you have something to be proud of...sort of;0)
And you are full of shit.

Prove he existed by the measure you require for Jesus.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171504 Jul 9, 2013
Plato was a religious figure?

His writings were religious?

The rest of your prattling I clearly explained in detail. Read my post again a few dozen times and it should sink in past your head injury.

You're welcome.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!!

That was your answering in detail?

You have more accounts of a Jesus being alive than Socrates.

Bwahahahaha

Prove he was alive and not a figment of Plato's imagination. Give us some secular records or something.

Interesting how he was killed for his beliefs, eh?

JC gave you a way of thinking, too.

You are such an immature thinker.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171505 Jul 9, 2013
Jesus Ben Strada was well before the Jesus of Nazareth myth. As was Jesus Ben Pantera. Both of which we have concrete, historical, secular proof of their existence. Not so with your bible Jesus.

In Jerusalem we have plenty of secular documentation of several people of minor and major importance. A super genius wiz kid who dazzled the Rabbi's would certainly have been written about as the Jews at the time adored and cherished examples like this as bragging rights.

Again for all of his so called miracles nobody documented a word about him for decades. After decades stories are told and changed often becoming more and more grand as they go. Again the gospels do not match up as we would expect if the writers had never met the man. No documented mention of him is ever written until much later by the so called Paul and the gospels are more of a prequel to his work. Even Christian bible scholars admit this.

Shouldn't it have been the other way around? Especially since Paul admits he never even met the man.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Ben Stada was executed in Lydda, not Jerusalem, and the Roman governor at the time was Felix, not Pilate. It's also a century after the execution of Jesus. This comparison is dismissed by most Hebrew scholars.

Now as to your assertion that nobody wrote about Jesus during his own time is nothing more than a speculative assumption. If you're going to make that assertion then you need to show some evidence or a plausible argument to support your claim.

If you want to really examine the probability of anyone writing about Jesus in His own lifetime, it might be helpful to start by looking at other figures from the first century. But when we look at them, we must consider a number of factors.

1) Jerusalem was not highly regarded by Roman authorities as a center of culture and intellectual growth. It was troubled by revolts, a strict mono-theistic culture, and was generally regarded with contempt. The only extra-biblical historical account of any contemporary of Jesus from first century Judea was Pontius Pilate, John the Baptist, and James, the brother of Jesus, and even then it was written by Josephus decades later. And that's not even the TF.

2) We don't know what happened to any written material that might have existed. We're talking about 2,000 years here. How long is a piece of papyrus supposed to last? What's the shelf life of animal skin scrolls? We have precious few writings from the first century Roman province of Judea.

3) Factor in the 66-70 AD revolt and subsequent destruction of Jerusalem at the hands of the Romans and let's ask how much of the city was burned. The temple was destroyed, and because the temple was also where written records were kept, is it any surprise to logically reason that such contemporary writings (assuming they existed) would have been lost to the flames?

So what are your thoughts on this?

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171506 Jul 9, 2013
In other words you made it up.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Google it.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171507 Jul 9, 2013
That really didn't make much sense.

Better luck next time.
atheism is evil wrote:
<quoted text>If the accounts of the Bible did not occur, then why didn't a group of atheists ever "free think" to write an anti-Bible? I think we all know they are liars.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171508 Jul 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Plato was a religious figure?
His writings were religious?
The rest of your prattling I clearly explained in detail. Read my post again a few dozen times and it should sink in past your head injury.
You're welcome.
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"Plato has a concept of a God which shares many traits with the Christian idea of God. Socrates' God is a single God who is the source of creation (Burtt 49). He also depicts God as being inherently good. He depicts a God that motivates with goodness rather than punishment (Burtt 49)."

http://voices.yahoo.com/religious-views-socra...

You think?

Nah, you haven't exhibited that talent.

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