Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171471 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I am none of these things, and I am a non-believer.
in spiritual darkness,
under the power of Satan,
separated from Christ,
without hope,
without God in this world,
foolish,
disobedient,
deceived,

you're all these things IMO

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171472 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Time was man made...you should already know that.
GOD made day & night!!!
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#171473 Jul 9, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Well, this is where we disagree.(Yes I finally registered so this is my username now) I believe there is evidence that God has restored life. Now whether you believe that evidence amounts to conclusive proof is another matter entirely. That evidence is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
If the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John are true eyewitness reports (as I believe they are) then yes God has restored limbs when Jesus cured lepers. Leprosy is a very nasty disease that causes people to lose limbs. And if there is going to be a world-wide resurrection of the dead at Christ's second coming, then we can expect that we will be given new bodies that are superior to what we possess now.
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Yes people should be skeptical. But not all things are made up. In truth, Christians are called to be open minded (even if fundamentalists don't believe it). Open minded does not mean being gullible. It means considering both natural and supernatural processes. We should consider natural processes up to the point where natural processes cannot sufficiently account for a majority of the data. At that point we are to begin looking to see if there is a supernatural explanation, but without forcing it to fit our beliefs.
Of course things are made up. Christians have made up heaven and hell. At one point the Catholic church made up a place called LIMBO. Some years later they renounced this made up place. Religion in general has made up many different accounts of the creation of the universe and our planet. Christians made up the global flood, angels, demons, Satan, the parting of the Red Sea, they make up all sorts of things.

How can you ever arrive at a "supernatural explanation?" There is only ONE realm, that of the naturalistic realm, in it is contained all we know and experience. NOTHING can be known of the supernatural realm, a non-existent realm. So no, we do not look for explanation in the supernatural, its pointless as there can be NO information gathered from that which does not exist. We should consider natural processes only, at the point were natural processes cannot sufficiently account for the data, then it simply becomes UNKNOWN. Here is the great downfall of the Theist, its called...GOD OF THE GAPS. When science cannot account for data, the Theists LEAPS quickly and fills the gap with GOD. Rather than search for the real answer, God becomes a substitute. The major problem for the Theist here, is that for thousands of years science has slowly replaced God causes, with the real answers. Thunder and lightning, disease, volcanos and earthquakes, all Gods realm, then science told us the real answers. Those who play the god of the gaps games face the fact that as science discovers more and more, God becomes an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#171474 Jul 9, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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Another Satan-bot spamming the "Big Bang Did It" junkery.
Satan is part of YOUR belief...not mine.

Since: Jun 13

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#171475 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>GOD made day & night!!!
Day and night occur because of our orbit around the sun, and I have no idea if "god" had a hand in it, but so far science has given me more answers than "god" ever did.

Since: Jun 13

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#171476 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
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in spiritual darkness,
under the power of Satan,
separated from Christ,
without hope,
without God in this world,
foolish,
disobedient,
deceived,
you're all these things IMO
You have a right to your opinion, but you are incorrect in all of these except for separated from Christ, without "god" in this world.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171477 Jul 9, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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Yes it was documented , you lying bigot.
No actually...it was not.

Since: Jun 13

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#171478 Jul 9, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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If the accounts of the Bible did not occur, then why didn't a group of atheists ever "free think" to write an anti-Bible? I think we all know they are liars.
Lol...this has got to be one of your best ones yet! Why would anyone have a need to write an anti-bible? lol

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171479 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Day and night occur because of our orbit around the sun, and I have no idea if "god" had a hand in it, but so far science has given me more answers than "god" ever did.
GOD made them all

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171480 Jul 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Satan is part of YOUR belief...not mine.
thats what you think! I think satan owns your soul

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#171481 Jul 9, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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If the accounts of the Bible did not occur, then why didn't a group of atheists ever "free think" to write an anti-Bible? I think we all know they are liars.
Because it isn't concerned with your religious dogma.
Feel free to write your anti-science book.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171482 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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You have a right to your opinion, but you are incorrect in all of these except for separated from Christ, without "god" in this world.
He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters" (Matt. 12:30).
"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (Jn. 12:48).
being an atheist is like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun... real dumb

Since: Jun 13

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#171483 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>thats what you think! I think satan owns your soul
I thought that you believed that "god" held everyone's soul....???? Isn't he the one that's supposed to own everyone's soul?

Since: Jun 13

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#171485 Jul 9, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters" (Matt. 12:30).
"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day" (Jn. 12:48).
being an atheist is like playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun... real dumb
The only thing that this verse says to me is that you worship a "god" who is so egotistical he thinks he should be able to scare me into loving him. I will never believe in the biblical "god", and that is only one of the reasons why.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#171486 Jul 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No Dave the fact is until 325 the belief was so variable from sect to sect to consolidate a fixed doctrine and standard set of scriptures was absolutely necessary. Otherwise one side of the empire is arguing about whether the nails were driven in the neck or not vs one right between the eyes, stupid crap.
Just like exists between different flavors of cryptostupidity now.
Love your posts.

BTW, did they ever settle that "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" thingy? If they did.....uhhhh.....how many;0)?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171487 Jul 9, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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You need to get some sleep Davy!
You've been giving the devil two black eyes for too long!
Hmm... something about Socrates?
OK
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE
In ancient Greece, Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in the highest esteem.
One day an acquaintance met the great philosopher and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about your friend?"
"Hold on a minute," Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."
"Triple filter?"
"That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my friend, it might be a good idea to take a moment and filter what you're going to say.
The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is absolutely true?
"No," the man said, "I actually just heard about it and..."
"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?"
"No, on the contrary..."
"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, but you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, because there's one filter left: the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?"
"No, not really."
"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither true nor good nor even useful, why tell it to me at all?"
This is why Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem.
It also explains why he never found out his best friend was banging his wife.!
Socrates never existed. There is no proof he did.

You are worshiping the words of a myth.

That philosophy is common enough among men of centuries and before that never even heard of him. Plato probably plagiarized one of them using mythical Socrates as a tool.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171488 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I thought that you believed that "god" held everyone's soul....???? Isn't he the one that's supposed to own everyone's soul?
until you are saved! satan owns your soul

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#171489 Jul 9, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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They became believers because of what they witnessed, and because they wanted to preserve it, they wrote it down. First century Israeli culture was an orally dominated culture. Historical event was memorized and passed on within specific communities and groups. Look it up. Not only that, they were what is known as a "high context culture." Many things were left unsaid (or unwritten) because the assumption of the culture was that if you were a part of that culture, you knew what everybody else in that culture knew. It didn't have to be defined or discussed in detail.
If you're trying to imply that their bias fed into their beliefs, then you would be partially correct, but not in the way that you as a skeptic might think. The bias of the early Christians (the apostles specifically) existed because of what they witnessed with their own eyes, and grew in proportion to their faith. Your implication that believers words don't count because they're believers also fails in another way.
This history mattered to them because they saw it as sacred and holy. It wasn't a matter of discussing why their camel or donkey was getting old. This was a big deal to them, so of course they had bias. Would you expect a passionate sound engineer to write a 50 page doctoral thesis on the subject of Victorian era plumbing and sanitation? You have bias, I have bias, everybody has bias. Your unstated (yet implied) charge isn't a logical argument.
The only person in the bible who has secular proof of existence (that I know of) is Pontius Pilate. His name is recorded in Roman records as a government official.

The Romans did not have a religious drum to beat. The records do not say anything else about him, whether he pronounced judgement on a man named Jesus or even whether or not he had a wife who might or might not have a had a dream.

Again, do you have any independent, secular proof? We've all heard fish stories.....and the one that got away keeps growing. That's pretty much an example of oral history.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171490 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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The only thing that this verse says to me is that you worship a "god" who is so egotistical he thinks he should be able to scare me into loving him. I will never believe in the biblical "god", and that is only one of the reasons why.
I don't think its for you. I worship a loving GOD! JESUS CHRIST who died for me.. and rose from the grave... by faith Im saved...

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#171491 Jul 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You dodged the Socrates question.
No, he answered it quite well.....and it went right over your head.

As per usual;0)

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