First point..Because we have no other frame of reference then we have to use our STANDARDS. It is a content among Theists that God interacts with his creations on a daily basis, so using OUR standards is the only way we can have a legitimate conversation.<quoted text>
Okay we'll address this point first. This is an assumption that because God can control what will happen, that He will control what will happen according to our standards. Such a God would not be worthy of worship if He catered to our every whim.
Here, I disagree. She knew the difference between right and wrong. Telling somebody what they can and cannot do, is telling them the difference between right and wrong. What Eve didn't have prior to eating the fruit was guilt. There was no need for guilt when in compliance with God's directives.
God knew. But God had to allow free will. God decides when to control or influence others and when not to. Now if Adam and Eve had obeyed God, they would enjoy immortality with their creator. By choosing to go against God's directive, they were found unworthy of immortality, and this rebellious trait was passed from generation to generation. Now notice that God didn't kill them outright. He could have, but didn't. But He did remove their immortality when He banished them from His presence and the Garden of Eden.
If God can remove immortality, then He can restore it as well. This is where He makes a promise to Adam and Eve that He will restore eternal life to their descendants.
I understand what you're saying. But you're viewing this as cosmic entrapment. Yes we love our kids and yes we want them to behave morally without toying with them. We allow them a certain amount of freedom. We allow them to make choices within boundaries of our limitations. Why do we stop kids from rushing into the street? Because we love them and don't want them hurt or killed of course. And there is the difference. We have no power over death. God does. And if that's true, then it's worth it to trust His judgement.
Now you may not agree with my answers, but that's okay. I have told you what I believe as I understand it. I have enjoyed this discourse with you, and I look forward to more if you're willing. Good night my friend.
Either God can control what happens in the future or he can't. You approach a fork in the road, the future see's you taking the fork left. Did God know this is the direction you would take? Since the future has you taking the left fork and following that particular pathway, is it possible for you to have taken the fork right? God KNEW you would choose left, how is it possible for you change what God has predetermined for you? Free will is NOT possible when the creator is an all knowing being.
I disagree, neither Adam or Eve knew the difference between right and wrong. God and evil is a reference to right and wrong. People are labeled based on their behavior and intentions. The bible never shows us the age of either person. We know they were not created as babies, so we have no reference to their ages. The concepts of right and wrong are formed during our childhood, the time a person learns from their mistakes and forms the concepts of good and evil, thereby right and wrong. So how is it that either could know the right from wrong without knowing the difference between good and evil as the forbidden tree would have provided?
Telling someone what they can and cannot do is NOT telling them the difference between right and wrong. People need to be aware of the concept. I could tell a 5 years old that hitting his school mates is a good thing, and that he should always do so. Did I just show he the difference between right and wrong? These right and wrong principals are learned, learned as we grow form children to adults.
Once again, God KNEW what action they would take. He did nothing to change the out come.