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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

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#169986 Jun 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Evidence, honesty and proof. The things you stand against.
what you call evidence I call garbage! another ooops science got it wrong again....

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#169987 Jun 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ware? Hardware, software, underwear?
The only thing you have is arbitrary claims and opinions. Mankind has advanced light years from the animal sacrificing bible myth days. Are things perfect? Nope and they never were and never will be. Still we have progressed vastly over the morals of your bible that says to sell virgin girls as if they were a commodity for example.
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So this humanistic society founded on atheism that you lift up as a paragon of virtue, what went wrong with it in the Soviet Union?

Haven't we tried that experiment before?

Didn't work.

Morality will never change because the human heart is so wicked and selfish.

The only thing that will resolve the human heart and sin issue is total destruction.

Even if God was not going to step in and resolve that, man would do it to himself.

If you think God is the problem, you are mightily deceived, man needs no help to be evil.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#169988 Jun 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Answers in Genesis, for one, says the story is false.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009...
another atheist site pretending to be christian... why do atheist lie...

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#169989 Jun 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The bible states the earth is square, flat and rests on top of pillars. You agree?
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That argument has been dealt with so many times, it does not even merit a response.

You can find plenty of rational responses to this irrational objection on the internet.

I won't be wasting time with it.:-)

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#169990 Jun 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Lmfao! Presuppositionist epic failure!
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So you reject Presuppositionalism as valid?

You realise of course that Presuppositionalism is inherent in many branches of philosophy, not just Christian Philosophy?

It is actually foundational to all knowledge.

Deny that, deny knowledge.

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#169991 Jun 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Science has all the evidence to disprove all god that theists can imagine up.
If theists god were real, they would not be called religion - they would be accepted as science.
You have elevated the concept of "science" to a religion here for all intents and purposes.

You are claiming it has "absolute truth" it can supply for the denial of God's existence?

I think you are applying a lot of faith to your assertion now and are in fact behaving very religiously!

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#169992 Jun 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What if it doesn't matter if there is something higher than our senses because we can still only see it with our senses?
Our senses are not the basis for ascertaining truth, they are the instruments by which we observe the physical universe in the limited sphere we have.

The problem humanity has, is that it is not logical or reasonable, it has an inbuilt desire to twist reality to fits its own desires of what reality should be like.

So the senses, are only as good as the mind and heart behind them.

This is where atheistic empiricism fails as it does not address this key issue.

Humanity is not rational, humanity is half crazed.

Therefore the senses cannot be relied on, because that which is behind them is untrustworthy and uses them rather than submit to them to preserves its own paradigm.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#169993 Jun 25, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>same goes for you ... BTW atheist are dumb peeeps
Yep, sure, if I were in the ER and needed treatment I really would not give a damn whether the doctor went to church or not. I would trust him/her to be professional and to do the job they are paid for.

But can I imagine you lying on a hospital trolley in excruciating pain and shouting,“I am not having an atheist doctor, I am not having an atheist doctor”

Like hell you will, you will be grateful to whoever is available to fix you up.

So you still have not looked up the meaning of dumb, never mind, such deliberate ignorance is expected from the deliberately ignorant.

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#169994 Jun 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I am perfectly clear.
We are all born with a knowledge of Gods existance.
People have three responses to that knowledge typically.
1. They seek to embrace it.
2. They seek to run from it.
3. They seek to destroy it and deny it.
Atheism is clearly in the third group.
The carnal heart is so contrary to God and so antagonistic towards Him that it will even deny reality to preserve itself.
And this is really what atheism is founded, an attempt to destroy God and His revelation to humanity.
There are two choices the atheist is faced with,(or the anti-theist, which is really the correct term for an atheist).
1. Have the carnal nature destroyed.
2. Destroy God and all knowledge of Him.
The desire to destroy God can be so powerful that the carnal mind and heart will even come to the place where it has so obscured the knowledge of God, that it will self deceive itself to protect itself.
It will deny reality in order to maintain itself.
This can be evidenced very simply by the arbitrary and contradictory belief systems of those that want to destroy God so they can preserve their rebellion and carnal nature.
Poe. Calling it. If it hasn't already been called.

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#169995 Jun 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So this humanistic society founded on atheism that you lift up as a paragon of virtue, what went wrong with it in the Soviet Union?
Haven't we tried that experiment before?
Didn't work.
Morality will never change because the human heart is so wicked and selfish.
The only thing that will resolve the human heart and sin issue is total destruction.
Even if God was not going to step in and resolve that, man would do it to himself.
If you think God is the problem, you are mightily deceived, man needs no help to be evil.
Man... your religion makes you sick. It's ok to be human.

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#169996 Jun 25, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>another atheist site pretending to be christian... why do atheist lie...
"Answersingenesis" is an atheist site? Your religion has utterly obliterated your mind.

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#169997 Jun 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Our senses are not the basis for ascertaining truth, they are the instruments by which we observe the physical universe in the limited sphere we have.
The problem humanity has, is that it is not logical or reasonable, it has an inbuilt desire to twist reality to fits its own desires of what reality should be like.
So the senses, are only as good as the mind and heart behind them.
This is where atheistic empiricism fails as it does not address this key issue.
Humanity is not rational, humanity is half crazed.
Therefore the senses cannot be relied on, because that which is behind them is untrustworthy and uses them rather than submit to them to preserves its own paradigm.
You're right. Better to put our faith in the mad ramblings of a backwards, bronze age book and the sick, twisted, morally repugnant god that it describes.

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#169998 Jun 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Poe. Calling it. If it hasn't already been called.
Do you have a rational response to make, or do you wish to just present this arbitrary response?

Presenting this arbitrary response does not in any way remove the point that has been made...

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#169999 Jun 25, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Hardy-har-har! I, being anointed by God to do battle against atheists, and other lost in the wilderness morons,like you and thinking,Clownie cannot be insulted. Try as you may, it is against all the laws of physics to insult yours truly. Physically, and mentally stronger than steel, blessed by God with Heavenly knowledge, and wisdom. That gives me unbreakable strength to fight off miniscule, unintelligent, and in reality, out and out stupid morons like yourself & thinking. I have faith in God, the maker of everything, even losers like you (which proves God has a sense of humor). You brainless dip-sticks strengthen my faith, and my resolve. Now, get off your daddy's computer before he comes home and sticks you with his pitchfork.
ya hear
Nope, your imagination to be a pratt is enough insult to yourself, in itself. You need no help there…

What you are is delusional, and it makes you lie, you lie for you god which is quite pathetic considering that your god teaches satan to be the father of lies.

Does this mean you worship satan?

My father does not have a computer (so you lie) and you could not afford the computer system I use even after a lifetime of the kind of work you are capable of.

But feel free to lie for your god if it makes you feel better.

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#170000 Jun 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Man... your religion makes you sick. It's ok to be human.
For who?

Who is it ok for?

Don't you see the madness in the world?

Do you live in denial of that?

Christianity accounts and supplies the solution for this madness.

If you truly believe in a pollyanna atheism that does not face reality, then are you not also a part of that madness?

What is your solution for the madness in the world?

What does atheism offer, other than a nihilistic acceptance of the futility of humanity?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#170001 Jun 25, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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When you are in Hell, you will have eternal painful proof. I've written you off as a permanent idiot.
More ineffectual and irrelevant christian threats

Perhaps you should read the topix TOCs, particularly the section on threatening behaviour

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#170002 Jun 25, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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Previous atheists got proof back in the Old Testament, yet still didn't believe. Why do you think you would if given proof?
Like I said, you really don't want proof because if it were given to you, you would then have to say, "I believe in God!". And we know you really wouldn't want to say that, as evil as you are.
Plus , you asking the question that you know we will never be able to satisfactorily answer to you, gives you temporary ease of mind that you can follow through with your cult of atheism.
You are a bitter coward, through and through, you loser.
The OT and it’s forerunner, the Tanakh are not proof, they are a collection of stories written by bronze age goat herders and escaped slaves

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word proof – proof is not belief, contrary to your belief

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#170003 Jun 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're right. Better to put our faith in the mad ramblings of a backwards, bronze age book and the sick, twisted, morally repugnant god that it describes.
You are aware that this is a logical fallacy don't you?

Assuming that because knowledge is old, it is therefore fallacious?

“Think&Care”

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#170004 Jun 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Our senses are not the basis for ascertaining truth, they are the instruments by which we observe the physical universe in the limited sphere we have.
Yes, they are *part* of the basis for discerning truth. If I claim there is an elephant in my room and you go in there and do not see an elephant, that is sufficient to conclude that my claim is false. That is solely based on the senses.

Of course, another aspect is that we can use our minds to create hypotheses. Most of these hypotheses will not fit the evidence (from the senses!) but a few will. Those we keep and test further. The senses allow us to determine which of our hypotheses are false and thereby eliminate those falsehoods.

General propositions are always somewhat uncertain because new evidence in cases not tested previously might show the proposition to be false. In that case, we need a new hypothesis that covers all of the previously tested cases AND the newly tested case. Once again, the senses are what determines the falsehood of a proposition.
The problem humanity has, is that it is not logical or reasonable, it has an inbuilt desire to twist reality to fits its own desires of what reality should be like.
So the senses, are only as good as the mind and heart behind them.
This is where atheistic empiricism fails as it does not address this key issue.
Incorrect. The fact that individuals can make mistakes, be biased, and have agendas is dealt with by having a variety of people from different backgrounds with different biases and different agendas looking at the evidence independently, often with the *goal* of showing some ideas to be wrong. Those hypotheses that manage to survive this treatment are more reliable than those only tested by one person.
Humanity is not rational, humanity is half crazed.
More accurately, humans are sometimes rational, sometimes crazed, sometimes biased, and sometimes objective. The goal of science is to eliminate the biases and craziness and leave the rationality and objectiveness. No system is perfect, but by repeated testing with the goal to show ideas are *wrong*, we can eventually eliminate the falsehoods. What remains is the truth.
Therefore the senses cannot be relied on, because that which is behind them is untrustworthy and uses them rather than submit to them to preserves its own paradigm.
The senses may not be completely reliable (optical illusions alone show that), but they are much better than the arm-chair philosophy that doesn't take into consideration the results of testing through the senses. Checks and balances can minimize the biases and mistakes over time.

“Think&Care”

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#170005 Jun 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You are aware that this is a logical fallacy don't you?
Assuming that because knowledge is old, it is therefore fallacious?
No, but it is reasonable to question whether old ideas in areas that have undergone significant changes over time are still reliable. In particular, the world view of 2000 years ago with different physics for the 'sublunar realm' and the 'heavens' that was based on Platonic and Aristotelian physics is badly out of date. That bring into question anything that is potentially built on such ideas, such as the world view of early Christianity.

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