Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Joe fortun

Arcata, CA

#169818 Jun 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That is not proof, and every follower of all the millions of other gods have that same thing. This means, your god is a myth unless you can provide some verifiable evidence.
. That's the good thing about the deity, you get to decided for yourself what is proof to you, and if you don't want to accept, or believe you don't have to
bloodreviara

Matawan, NJ

#169819 Jun 23, 2013
Proof of a deity does not exist, personal experience cannot count as proof because it cannot be shown to others, it only counts as your own proof, having said that i don't think that's a healthy thing at all as many have claimed god told them to kill in his name and they would have the same personal proof any other religious person has to back that claim up, obviously if someone claimed that they would still go to jail.

The reason it has to be that way is because if it were not then we would have murderers all claiming god told them to do it and no one could say well that's not good enough and your still going to be punished, religion is all about shirking responsibility, if someone not involved in a grievance can forgive you for said grievance then responsibility does not even need to exist, being forgiven for something can truly only come from the one you have wronged.

“It is what it is”

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#169820 Jun 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That is not proof, and every follower of all the millions of other gods have that same thing. This means, your god is a myth unless you can provide some verifiable evidence.
What millions of other gods are you talking about? There is a big difference between God and an idol.
Joe fortun

Arcata, CA

#169821 Jun 23, 2013
bloodreviara wrote:
Proof of a deity does not exist, personal experience cannot count as proof because it cannot be shown to others, it only counts as your own proof, having said that i don't think that's a healthy thing at all as many have claimed god told them to kill in his name and they would have the same personal proof any other religious person has to back that claim up, obviously if someone claimed that they would still go to jail.
The reason it has to be that way is because if it were not then we would have murderers all claiming god told them to do it and no one could say well that's not good enough and your still going to be punished, religion is all about shirking responsibility, if someone not involved in a grievance can forgive you for said grievance then responsibility does not even need to exist, being forgiven for something can truly only come from the one you have wronged.
. It's not important to me if anyone believes in the deity or my personal experiences. As far as deities telling you to commit a crime, well that doesn't excuse the crime, you still committed it and should get what ever justice is required. I take full responsibility for my action, my belief in the deity does not include asking for forgiveness from the deity, nor getting rewards from the deity for doing the right thing, or being punished for doing the wrong thing. Judgement is a human thing not the deitys
Joe fortun

Arcata, CA

#169822 Jun 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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What millions of other gods are you talking about? There is a big difference between God and an idol.
. Who gets to decide which is which.

Since: Jun 07

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#169823 Jun 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Butchy, as I write this there are 947 people logged onto ALL of the Top Stories forums. Once in while it may go over 2000 if there is a real hot topic going.
There aren't many on here. Your atheist army is a little sparse.
However, I am pleased that I can provide you and your Johnson some amusement. Perhaps if you changed the batteries in it you wouldn't need me so much.
Why are you still typing after you have failed to lie to us about god?

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#169824 Jun 24, 2013
Joe fortun wrote:
<quoted text>. Proof of a deity is personal experiences, it's not the kind of proof you can put your finger on. Sure there are other ways to look at the proof, but to the person who experienced it, it is all the proof they need to believe
Liars who claim that god is real need to present evidence for us in our reality.

Imagining up stuff and lying about it does not count.

Believers needs to take responsilibity for the chosen stupidity

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#169825 Jun 24, 2013
Joe fortun wrote:
<quoted text>. Who gets to decide which is which.
Science has decided. Its the tool we all use to measure physical reality and thats why religious people are so afraid of science - because it exposes their age old lies and false moralising.

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#169826 Jun 24, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
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The stunning irony of your eternity continues to build with each post you carelessly make.
Did you attend college after high school? If so, did you rack up some student loans?
Showing us that you are a coward with no proof of god does not make your cult look very appealing.

Since: Jun 13

Milwaukee, WI

#169827 Jun 24, 2013
Joe fortun wrote:
<quoted text>. Proof of a deity is personal experiences, it's not the kind of proof you can put your finger on. Sure there are other ways to look at the proof, but to the person who experienced it, it is all the proof they need to believe
compleatly false your running away from your responsibility of proof witch is none but u just cant admit that. can you imagian if the justice system was run and dictated by people who thought exacly like you? what a crazy place it would be and really is to some extent

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#169828 Jun 24, 2013
ignorance is bliss86 wrote:
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lol again with the misdirection ill keep bringing u back do you have any factual proof or evidence that god exsist (omitting the bibile and faith)
You have already pre-determined your range of acceptable proofs and evidence in your request.

What if your preconceptions are in error, what then?

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#169829 Jun 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ancient man did not have the advancements and data that we have. They thought doing rituals and killing animals on an alter would please the sky wizard and receive his approval for harvest or whatever. They thought you could whisper the right words to stop a hurricane from destroying your city.
Time has brought about progress and mankind is growing up.
Time to put away childish things eh?
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Man hasn't grown up.

Technology has advanced but the same unreasonable appeal to idols and the same worship of self is still very much evident, you confuse technological advancement with moral advancement.

Men still run from God so they can satisfy their lusts and desires, reducing them to illogicity...

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#169830 Jun 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Not when society uses this delusion called god to impede scientific and medical progress and causes the deaths of billions.
It's the only sane thing to do given the circumstances.
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I agree society should not use God to promote or excuse ignorance.

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#169831 Jun 24, 2013
saidI wrote:
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No one is antagonising a mythical God, we're antagonising each other!
And of course: Why do religious people on Topix try to antagonise Atheists at all when they're religious and should be living clean lives, with clean minds and shouldn't even associate with us because we may try to lie, and confuse them, cause after all Satan may be in us.
Because a Christian should love their enemy and seek their salvation...

Our worldview encourages us to engage with atheism.

Nihilism on the other hand cannot supply justification for debate and discussion.

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#169832 Jun 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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As I have pointed out repeatedly, humanism is an offshoot of Christianity. Just another sect. Same values.
Jesus won.
People love to gather and share spiritual feelings. Only the name changes.
These sort of "non-believers" will be accepted by religious society because they share the basic values. Those are intelligent and rational people.
It's the nut cases as exemplified by so many Topix atheists that will be rejected.
I think humanism is mans attempt to replace God whilst keeping those things that do not identify it's sins...

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#169833 Jun 24, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Fortunately, science is not a religion based on a single book, nor even any collection of books. The ultimate authority of science is not the dictates of any particular scientists nor even any collection of scientists, but instead is based on actual observations of real-world behavior.
Einstein was wrong about a great many things. He initially thought the universe should be static, thereby missing one of the best potential predictions of his career. He consistently refused to accept quantum mechanics, even though it was making specific predictions that were verified by observations. In particular, many of his thought-experiments critical of QM have now actually been done and the results agree with QM and not with Einstein's intuitions.
So, yes, if a 'Book of Einstein' became a matter of 'faith', I would roundly criticize it for its mistakes and errors. But science itself is not made by the dictates of any one scientist, which is partly why it is self-correcting and is able to make progress over time.
So basically you hold to empirical naturalism...

You are aware of the preconceptions of your own worldview I hope?

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#169834 Jun 24, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
All creationists are bitter liars with no proof of god.
You are aware that this starts with a logical fallacy of prejudiced generalisation, are you prejudicial and bigoted?

Your argument certainly is.:-)

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#169835 Jun 24, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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I'm sorry Kitten, but this is false. Jesus as a myth is a lazy argument of desperation on the part of those who lack historical knowledge. I know my assertion will not change your mind, and that's your right. The parallel "Jesus as myth" religions were debunked years and years ago, and have only recently resurfaced within the last few years to influence a very ignorant audience that is unfamiliar with these ludicrous claims.
The skeptical scholars of the Jesus debate all acknowledge he lived and was executed by the Romans. Gerd Ludemann and Bart Ehrman have both been very consistent in their research even though neither believes in the deity of Jesus. They have both characterized the entire "Jesus as myth" as being a very poor and lazy intellectual argument.
My question to you is this:
In both Matthew and Mark, Jesus is recorded as saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" as he was dying on the cross. This is a very unheroic thing to say for a leader of a religious movement. All the other religions like Islam or Buddhism have their founders dying peacefully or with heroic words, and not executed as traitors by an evil oppressive occupying government.
If you were going to start a movement or help it along, would you promote your founder in such a negative light as dying such a shameful death and then crying out in such a manner?
I wouldn't. In the context of the society at that time or at any time within 400 years of the crucifixion either way, it wouldn't make sense to write propaganda this way to promote a religion. It would fail.
Good post.

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#169836 Jun 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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My view is that it's a pejorative term, used by religitards like you.
I wouldn't dignify it with a response on the merits.
I don't suffer fools, Dave.
He answers pejoratively...

:-)

Since: Jan 13

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#169837 Jun 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You didn't tell me before or now.
Knowing "reality" is a very long ways off. So you stay dumb until then. Which means scientists now are dumb, which means dumb scientists are teaching us "reality" now.
Improve your scientific method. We are running out of time.
Interesting observation of the fallacious idea that incomplete knowledge can supply a basis is for knowing...

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