Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#169753 Jun 23, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I am. Einstein was wrong about a lot of things. I don't deify him, so I am not forced to perform mental gymnastics when confronted by something he said that was profoundly dumb.

And I did not make any decisions when I was a child. I began to doubt. It's an ongoing process. Right now, religion is losing badly.
And it's people like Dave who continually reinforce our reasons for disbelief.

And he doesn't even realize it.

Since: Mar 11

Australia

#169754 Jun 23, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Why is it that many atheists are antagonistic against a God that does not exist and does not by implication challenge their reality?
Isn't antagonism towards a non existent being a sign of pure madness?
No one is antagonising a mythical God, we're antagonising each other!
And of course: Why do religious people on Topix try to antagonise Atheists at all when they're religious and should be living clean lives, with clean minds and shouldn't even associate with us because we may try to lie, and confuse them, cause after all Satan may be in us.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169755 Jun 23, 2013

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#169756 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/ 2013/06/22/church-without-god- by-design/?hpt=hp_c2
Amen
Cool.

I need to start one here.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169757 Jun 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Cool.
I need to start one here.
As I have pointed out repeatedly, humanism is an offshoot of Christianity. Just another sect. Same values.

Jesus won.

People love to gather and share spiritual feelings. Only the name changes.

These sort of "non-believers" will be accepted by religious society because they share the basic values. Those are intelligent and rational people.

It's the nut cases as exemplified by so many Topix atheists that will be rejected.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#169758 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
If your religious training was based upon The Book of Einstein and you detected inconsistencies and errors like you did in the Bible, you would be railing against science right now.
Fortunately, science is not a religion based on a single book, nor even any collection of books. The ultimate authority of science is not the dictates of any particular scientists nor even any collection of scientists, but instead is based on actual observations of real-world behavior.

Einstein was wrong about a great many things. He initially thought the universe should be static, thereby missing one of the best potential predictions of his career. He consistently refused to accept quantum mechanics, even though it was making specific predictions that were verified by observations. In particular, many of his thought-experiments critical of QM have now actually been done and the results agree with QM and not with Einstein's intuitions.

So, yes, if a 'Book of Einstein' became a matter of 'faith', I would roundly criticize it for its mistakes and errors. But science itself is not made by the dictates of any one scientist, which is partly why it is self-correcting and is able to make progress over time.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#169759 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have pointed out repeatedly, humanism is an offshoot of Christianity. Just another sect. Same values.
Wrong. Humanism was an aspect of Greek and Roman philosophy long before Christianity came about. Christianity adopted many of the values seen in stoicism and neo-platonism, for example, which made it more 'moral'. Humanism is not derived from Christianity, but an addition to it adopted from more ancient viewpoints.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#169760 Jun 23, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
The analogy refers to the fact that sheep were the most common farm animal in that culture. Domesticated sheep need a shepherd who will keep them safe from predators. In Jesus' day "predators" were false Messiahs and other cultural leaders who didn't have spiritual concerns.
And the shepherd will later slaughter them for food or sell them to the local market. Interesting.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#169761 Jun 23, 2013
Humanism says to bring non believers before them and behead them?

Head injured senile old Dave
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>As I have pointed out repeatedly, humanism is an offshoot of Christianity. Just another sect. Same values.

Jesus won.

People love to gather and share spiritual feelings. Only the name changes.

These sort of "non-believers" will be accepted by religious society because they share the basic values. Those are intelligent and rational people.

It's the nut cases as exemplified by so many Topix atheists that will be rejected.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169762 Jun 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Humanism was an aspect of Greek and Roman philosophy long before Christianity came about. Christianity adopted many of the values seen in stoicism and neo-platonism, for example, which made it more 'moral'. Humanism is not derived from Christianity, but an addition to it adopted from more ancient viewpoints.
Bullshit.

Humanism of today is a direct descendant of Christian teachings.

Greek and Roman philosophy is not what is taught in today's world except in school classes. The present day evolved Christian ethos is the de facto basis of our social mores and even political thought.

That is just the way it is. Deal with it.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#169763 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit.
Humanism of today is a direct descendant of Christian teachings.
Greek and Roman philosophy is not what is taught in today's world except in school classes. The present day evolved Christian ethos is the de facto basis of our social mores and even political thought.
That is just the way it is. Deal with it.
Marked as the sh*tty creationist spam it is from the troll liar with no balls to speak of.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#169764 Jun 23, 2013
All creationists are bitter liars with no proof of god.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#169765 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have pointed out repeatedly, humanism is an offshoot of Christianity. Just another sect. Same values.
Jesus won.
People love to gather and share spiritual feelings. Only the name changes.
These sort of "non-believers" will be accepted by religious society because they share the basic values. Those are intelligent and rational people.
It's the nut cases as exemplified by so many Topix atheists that will be rejected.
You are the poster boy for sanity, Dave.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169766 Jun 23, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
You are the poster boy for sanity, Dave.
Thank you, Batty. It is heartening to see you have the ability to discern that.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#169767 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit.
Humanism of today is a direct descendant of Christian teachings.
Greek and Roman philosophy is not what is taught in today's world except in school classes. The present day evolved Christian ethos is the de facto basis of our social mores and even political thought.
That is just the way it is. Deal with it.
Actually Dave humanism teaches people to help make the world better now and to help the world survive ,humanists deny an afterlife or a savior that man is his own savior.
I think that is very different from Christian teaching.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169768 Jun 23, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually Dave humanism teaches people to help make the world better now and to help the world survive ,humanists deny an afterlife or a savior that man is his own savior.
I think that is very different from Christian teaching.
Then you don't understand Christian thinking,

It is apparent most Topix atheist on here don't either. Blatant displays of emotional reaction to the perversions of ideas by those who use it for personal advancement, ignoring the underlying messages. Humanism and every other social/religious/political thought suffers from the same thing. Charlatans and demagogues. Topix atheists just jumped from one group to another. Hardly "free thinkers". Emotional reactionists. Putty in the hands of those that know how to mold them.
Favorite Adversary

Brooklyn, NY

#169769 Jun 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
One simple example, ancient Egyptian mythology is much older than your bibles are, and there are two stories in there that when combined form your entire "Jesus" myth. Imhotep and Horus.
I'm sorry Kitten, but this is false. Jesus as a myth is a lazy argument of desperation on the part of those who lack historical knowledge. I know my assertion will not change your mind, and that's your right. The parallel "Jesus as myth" religions were debunked years and years ago, and have only recently resurfaced within the last few years to influence a very ignorant audience that is unfamiliar with these ludicrous claims.

The skeptical scholars of the Jesus debate all acknowledge he lived and was executed by the Romans. Gerd Ludemann and Bart Ehrman have both been very consistent in their research even though neither believes in the deity of Jesus. They have both characterized the entire "Jesus as myth" as being a very poor and lazy intellectual argument.

My question to you is this:

In both Matthew and Mark, Jesus is recorded as saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" as he was dying on the cross. This is a very unheroic thing to say for a leader of a religious movement. All the other religions like Islam or Buddhism have their founders dying peacefully or with heroic words, and not executed as traitors by an evil oppressive occupying government.

If you were going to start a movement or help it along, would you promote your founder in such a negative light as dying such a shameful death and then crying out in such a manner?

I wouldn't. In the context of the society at that time or at any time within 400 years of the crucifixion either way, it wouldn't make sense to write propaganda this way to promote a religion. It would fail.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#169770 Jun 23, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry Kitten, but this is false. Jesus as a myth is a lazy argument of desperation on the part of those who lack historical knowledge. I know my assertion will not change your mind, and that's your right. The parallel "Jesus as myth" religions were debunked years and years ago, and have only recently resurfaced within the last few years to influence a very ignorant audience that is unfamiliar with these ludicrous claims.
The skeptical scholars of the Jesus debate all acknowledge he lived and was executed by the Romans. Gerd Ludemann and Bart Ehrman have both been very consistent in their research even though neither believes in the deity of Jesus. They have both characterized the entire "Jesus as myth" as being a very poor and lazy intellectual argument.
My question to you is this:
In both Matthew and Mark, Jesus is recorded as saying "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" as he was dying on the cross. This is a very unheroic thing to say for a leader of a religious movement. All the other religions like Islam or Buddhism have their founders dying peacefully or with heroic words, and not executed as traitors by an evil oppressive occupying government.
If you were going to start a movement or help it along, would you promote your founder in such a negative light as dying such a shameful death and then crying out in such a manner?
I wouldn't. In the context of the society at that time or at any time within 400 years of the crucifixion either way, it wouldn't make sense to write propaganda this way to promote a religion. It would fail.

I find your little essay here to be.

All hat and no cattle.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#169771 Jun 23, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit.
Humanism of today is a direct descendant of Christian teachings.
Greek and Roman philosophy is not what is taught in today's world except in school classes. The present day evolved Christian ethos is the de facto basis of our social mores and even political thought.
That is just the way it is. Deal with it.
But the ethics of Christianity are derived from the Greek and Roman ethics which were common at the time of the rise of Christianity. So, teaching Christian morality is largely also teaching stoic and neo-platonic morality.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169772 Jun 23, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
But the ethics of Christianity are derived from the Greek and Roman ethics which were common at the time of the rise of Christianity. So, teaching Christian morality is largely also teaching stoic and neo-platonic morality.
Your assumption is that Greeks and Romans originated such, That is only because those were the writings that survived the times containing such that became part of Western education.

Many of man's perceptions are common and independently arrived at. Your education trains you to think in a linear fashion about such things.

Intelligence in man is proclaimed to be universal. Thus the logics and perceptions are apt to be similar. The Greeks and Romans were a small minority of the world's population.

A bush man squatting in the dirt is as capable of deep thoughts as a collector of previous recorded thoughts in a university. Perhaps even deeper. Less baggage to sort through.

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