Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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May 25, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Topix Atheists are stamped from a mould.
Wouldn't be much variation in thought there due to cponstruction. In fact, such was already done for them.
Of course, that small minority of people believes they are the ones "in the know", you know.
You are missing soomething and don't know it, Catcher.
Looks like RR disagrees with you.

You guys take it from here.

But as I said, the Jesus thread is an excellent place to watch a Christian cockfight.

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Looks like RR disagrees with you.
You guys take it from here.
But as I said, the Jesus thread is an excellent place to watch a Christian cockfight.
Seeking "the truth" requires different perspectives, and a fleshing out of them. A sort of "scientific approach".

You clowns just recite from a book someone recently wrote for you. No questioning of it.

Hardly "original" thinking.

BTW, "science" does not disprove a Creator. It is just an analysis of how something presently works. Yet you clowns say it does. Only in your own little and constrained minds.

Try thinking more deeply about thinking and existence. On your own.
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The exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown. It's somewhere between 4BC and 3AD.
No one has birth certificates back then, Jesus was no exception to that.
The simple fact remains there's no evidence to support the existence of Jesus.

There is more than ample evidence of this in practically any library and it's all over the Internet.

Seek out the true origin your faith.
There's nothing to fear from seeking this knowledge.
You will find that all the desert religions are loosely based on the Egyptian. Christianity itself is "borrowed" From older cultures.

The Egyptian god Horus, Jesus and another God Mithras, all share more or less the same legend.

There are entirely too many coincidences between these three.

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May 25, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Seeking "the truth" requires different perspectives, and a fleshing out of them. A sort of "scientific approach".
You clowns just recite from a book someone recently wrote for you. No questioning of it.
Hardly "original" thinking.
BTW, "science" does not disprove a Creator. It is just an analysis of how something presently works. Yet you clowns say it does. Only in your own little and constrained minds.
Try thinking more deeply about thinking and existence. On your own.
I am not a clown.

Nor do I recite from any book.

Nor do I have a "little and constrained" mind.

I do my own thinking, and I draw my own conclusions.

I'm also careful not to chop my fingers off.
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May 25, 2013
 
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But if he was the son of god, he knew it would not produce when the season came.
HairyBetty, what strikes me as comical is that atheists insist on more biblical literalism than theists.
Always looking for those technicalities.
Both atheists and christians are obsessed with God.
It is an ego trip - in both cases.
Christianity developed from taking the wisdom of a special man, Jesus, and weaving it into yarns that require material, like blood, sin, hell, a man-like god on a throne, etc.
That's material faith. Entirely egoic.
The atheist thinks there is nothing but material. Material is his god. What he thinks he knows, what he holds in his hand, these are god
when have you become atheist,Joe?

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I am not a clown.
Nor do I recite from any book.
Nor do I have a "little and constrained" mind.
I do my own thinking, and I draw my own conclusions.
I'm also careful not to chop my fingers off.
I think DN had a cut price lobotomy.... with a circular saw.
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Catcher1 wrote:
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I am not a clown.
Nor do I recite from any book.
Nor do I have a "little and constrained" mind.
I do my own thinking, and I draw my own conclusions.
I'm also careful not to chop my fingers off.
Youre just a witty buffoon , with a law license.
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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Seeking "the truth" requires different perspectives, and a fleshing out of them. A sort of "scientific approach".
You clowns just recite from a book someone recently wrote for you. No questioning of it.
Hardly "original" thinking.
BTW, "science" does not disprove a Creator. It is just an analysis of how something presently works. Yet you clowns say it does. Only in your own little and constrained minds.
Try thinking more deeply about thinking and existence. On your own.
youre always good for a laugh,DeludedOne

not much else,but hey at least Jebus lovs ya!

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#165996
May 25, 2013
 
Yes a typical Christians apologetic argument. Been going to church Dave?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You are way too passionate in your non-belief.

Curious. There is way more variety of thought in theism than atheism. Topix atheists all say the same thing.

Give us an original thought of your own regarding existence.

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#165997
May 25, 2013
 
Hmmmm....

You see people, he really is this stupid. I am not exaggerating here.

Thanks for the laughs idiot, it was your last ditch effort eh?

Lmfao!
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<quoted text>HA HA HA !!!!!

Typing one-handed again, huh?

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#165998
May 25, 2013
 
Secular vs religious stories written decades if not centuries later.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>There is plenty of historical evidence that Jesus existed.

I'm gonna try to ask you a honest question.....

What evidence of Julius Caesar is there that's different than Jesus?

Alexander the Great?

Nero?

Henry VIII?

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#165999
May 25, 2013
 
Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms as they deal with different things. As has been explained to you. Atheist just means you do not believe in a god. Agnostic means you do not know of one exists.

So one can easily be an agnostic atheist.

Rest up this weekend, Monday you will have shovel in hand.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>No they don't.

timn claims to he an atheist but also claims to not know of there's a god.

There nothing consistent about atheism.

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May 25, 2013
 
Who is a topix atheist Dave? I have never heard of such a thing, can you provide a link?

It's okay George Burns look alike, we know you can't answer because I have as usual outwitted you.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Topix Atheists are stamped from a mould.

Wouldn't be much variation in thought there due to cponstruction. In fact, such was already done for them.

Of course, that small minority of people believes they are the ones "in the know", you know.

You are missing soomething and don't know it, Catcher.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Secular vs religious stories written decades if not centuries later.
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I knew it was pointless to ask you a question.

I guess now it's you that's cowering and refusing to answer.

Imagine that.

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Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Youre just a witty buffoon , with a law license.
Thank you, two out of three ain't bad.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms as they deal with different things. As has been explained to you. Atheist just means you do not believe in a god. Agnostic means you do not know of one exists.
So one can easily be an agnostic atheist.
Rest up this weekend, Monday you will have shovel in hand.
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Ya, I know the difference between atheist and agnostic.

The point was there are people out there that *call themselves* atheists AND still think there may be a god.

Learn to read, dumb ass.
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Sex is a religious experience. My wife and girlfriends all yell, "Oh God, I'm cumming!"

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May 25, 2013
 
Being an atheist has nothing to do with knowing or now knowing there is a god. That would be an agnostic or gnostic.

God at this point is just as likely as pink universe creating elves.

Sure there may be such a thing, but until we have some kind of observable proof there is no reason to believe.

Sadly you demonstrate once again you do not understand what an atheist is.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Ya, I know the difference between atheist and agnostic.

The point was there are people out there that *call themselves* atheists AND still think there may be a god.

Learn to read, dumb ass.

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I am not a clown.
Nor do I recite from any book.
Nor do I have a "little and constrained" mind.
I do my own thinking, and I draw my own conclusions.
I'm also careful not to chop my fingers off.
You do your own "thinking" and have drawn conclusions with said "thinking" within the parameters for such set in you by others.

You don't know how to get out of the box you are in.

I have all my fingers, although three have been altered from their original state.
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Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are way too passionate in your non-belief.
Curious. There is way more variety of thought in theism than atheism. Topix atheists all say the same thing.
Give us an original thought of your own regarding existence.
Hmm... OK!

I was born PERFECT the first time. I lament that you were not this fortunate, thus requiring some kind of rebirth as taught in your faith.

I am a secular humanist, which I invite you to try.
Then let me share the good news with you. Here's where secular humanism will take you, given the chance.

Will you support this or fight it?:

THE AFFIRMATIONS OF HUMANISM: A STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php ...

[1] We are committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

[2] We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, explain the world in supernatural terms, and look outside nature for salvation.

[3] We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life.

[4] We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities.

[5] We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state.

[6] We [prefer] negotiation and compromise to [resolve] differences and achiev[e] mutual understanding.

[7] We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

[8] We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so that they will be able to help themselves.

[9] We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on [prejudices] and strive to work together for the common good.

[10] We want to protect, preserve and enhance the earth, and avoid inflicting needless suffering on other species.

[11] We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our creative talents to their fullest.

[12] We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.

[13] Mature adults should be allowed to fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

[14] We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to critical, rational guidance. Together we discover normative standards tested by their consequences.

[15] We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We want to nourish reason and compassion.

[16] We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.

[17] We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still to be made in the cosmos.

[18] We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to novel ideas.

[19] We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.

[20] We believe in optimism, hope, learning, truth, joy, tolerance, love, compassion, beauty, and reason rather than pessimism, despair, dogma, ignorance, guilt or sin, fear, hatred, selfishness, ugliness, and blind, irrational faith.

[21] We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that we are capable of as human beings.

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