Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Your screen name rhymes with what you were made to do as a lad right?
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<quoted text>Thanks, Falice.

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You are too funny!
Almost as funny as your religion and its Bible!
Here is why! crack open a Gideons and check this out.
Todayís scholars can only use the known, that is historical reigning Roman Emperors as a reference in determining dates.
So, since your Bible clearly and unambiguously claims that Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the King, then he, Jesus, had to have been born no later than 4 B.C.
Irony meter goes boom!
Jesus could only have been born a minimum of four years before the birth of Jesus?
After you stop laughing though, consider the import of this paradox.
I live my life so that when my feet hit the floor in the morning Satan shudders in fear, and says "OH For Christ's sake... he's awake!"
The changeover from BC to AD is based upon the crucifixion, not the birth.

Why do Topix atheists rant and rail from a position of ignorance? Perhaps they are made that way.

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May 25, 2013
 
Buck Crick wrote:
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But if he was the son of god, he knew it would not produce when the season came.
HairyBetty, what strikes me as comical is that atheists insist on more biblical literalism than theists.
Always looking for those technicalities.
Both atheists and christians are obsessed with God.
It is an ego trip - in both cases.
Christianity developed from taking the wisdom of a special man, Jesus, and weaving it into yarns that require material, like blood, sin, hell, a man-like god on a throne, etc.
That's material faith. Entirely egoic.
The atheist thinks there is nothing but material. Material is his god. What he thinks he knows, what he holds in his hand, these are god.
Fundamentally, it is the same error - the error of substituting form for the formless; describing and explaining, or explaining away, what cannot be described or explained.
Lesson for the day.
Live long and prosper. I will not pray for you. Praying is also part
Not bad, dude.

Pretty good, actually
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The changeover from BC to AD is based upon the crucifixion, not the birth.
Why do Topix atheists rant and rail from a position of ignorance? Perhaps they are made that way.
That is an interesting analogy, But that dog won't hunt.

Here's why Dave!

In fact, the quest for Biblical accounts of ancient Egypt at least into the 19th Dynasty of Egypt's New Kingdom, take on an interesting approach by most investigators. Essentially, since there is no evidence to clearly support the existence of Joseph, or Moses, or the Israeli Exodus, most of the investigation examines what was possible, what cannot be ruled out, or what fits into and Egyptian context. In other words, is it possible that such events or people could have existed from what we know of ancient Egypt. Some specifics are very possible, such as Joseph's rise to importance in the Egyptian court. Other events, such as the Exodus, as specifically told in the Bible, are much more difficult. Though the Egyptians may not have liked to record defeats, it would seem very probable that, were the disasters inflicted upon them as detailed in the Bible, there would have survived some textual evidence. For example, the Egyptians certainly recorded events such as eclipses of the sun and the levels of the Nile Flood. Were the Nile to have turned to blood and every firstborn child suddenly have died, not to mention all of the other plagues mentioned in Exodus, there would have doubtless been some record left, particularly during the New Kingdom. Tomb records frequently provide us with the most meager of details, and we have, from that period, many thousands of documents recording civil actions and even commercial contracts.

"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."
Magnus Magnusson (The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43)


For many centuries the Egyptians were present in Palestine, controlling the trade routes and importing the timber, olive oil and minerals not found in Egypt.

Archaeology has uncovered dramatic evidence of this pervasive Egyptian presence in 'Canaan'Ė yet nowhere does the Bible refer to Egyptians outside of Egypt.

It would spoil the story!!

How could Hebrews escape into the promised land if the Bible admitted Egyptians were running the show there too?

'Neither Moses, nor an enslaved Israel nor the event of this Exodus are recorded in any known ancient records outside the Bible ...
Although its climate has preserved the tiniest traces of ancient bedouin encampments and the sparse 5000-year-old villages of mine workers there is not a single trace of Moses or the Israelites.'
Ė John Romer, Testament


The "Word of God", far from being inerrant, has always been a work in progress.

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Imhotep wrote:
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That is an interesting analogy, But that dog won't hunt.
Here's why Dave!
In fact, the quest for Biblical accounts of ancient Egypt at least into the 19th Dynasty of Egypt's New Kingdom, take on an interesting approach by most investigators. Essentially, since there is no evidence to clearly support the existence of Joseph, or Moses, or the Israeli Exodus, most of the investigation examines what was possible, what cannot be ruled out, or what fits into and Egyptian context. In other words, is it possible that such events or people could have existed from what we know of ancient Egypt. Some specifics are very possible, such as Joseph's rise to importance in the Egyptian court. Other events, such as the Exodus, as specifically told in the Bible, are much more difficult. Though the Egyptians may not have liked to record defeats, it would seem very probable that, were the disasters inflicted upon them as detailed in the Bible, there would have survived some textual evidence. For example, the Egyptians certainly recorded events such as eclipses of the sun and the levels of the Nile Flood. Were the Nile to have turned to blood and every firstborn child suddenly have died, not to mention all of the other plagues mentioned in Exodus, there would have doubtless been some record left, particularly during the New Kingdom. Tomb records frequently provide us with the most meager of details, and we have, from that period, many thousands of documents recording civil actions and even commercial contracts.
"Despite the mass of contemporary records that have been unearthed in Egypt, not one historical reference to the presence of the Israelites has yet been found there. Not a single mention of Joseph, the Pharaoh's 'Grand Vizier'. Not a word about Moses, or the spectacular flight from Egypt and the destruction of the pursuing Egyptian army."
Magnus Magnusson (The Archaeology of the Bible Lands - BC, p43)
For many centuries the Egyptians were present in Palestine, controlling the trade routes and importing the timber, olive oil and minerals not found in Egypt.
Archaeology has uncovered dramatic evidence of this pervasive Egyptian presence in 'Canaan'Ė yet nowhere does the Bible refer to Egyptians outside of Egypt.
It would spoil the story!!
How could Hebrews escape into the promised land if the Bible admitted Egyptians were running the show there too?
'Neither Moses, nor an enslaved Israel nor the event of this Exodus are recorded in any known ancient records outside the Bible ...
Although its climate has preserved the tiniest traces of ancient bedouin encampments and the sparse 5000-year-old villages of mine workers there is not a single trace of Moses or the Israelites.'
Ė John Romer, Testament
The "Word of God", far from being inerrant, has always been a work in progress.
So?

Why do Topix atheists take words of religious texts so literal? They so more than theists.

"Your" history is attempted reconstruction of events from fragments of all that was. It can have errors regarding true events. Be advised works such as the Bible go back a long ways, and were much closer in time to preceding events. They had fresher oraL history along with the artifacts.

BTW, people were people back then. Just as varied in thoughts and actions as we are today. They, too, had to occupy their minds like we do. History stultifies them, they become machines and stick figures. Something remote. They were the same as your Mom, Dad, Uncle Harry, and street vendors.

I believe part of present Israel was at one time part of Egypt proper during one of its eras.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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The changeover from BC to AD is based upon the crucifixion, not the birth.
Why do Topix atheists rant and rail from a position of ignorance? Perhaps they are made that way.
Oh look the creationist twit is back with no proof of god.

He's come once again to the atheist forum to lie about atheists and scientists and apologise for the worthless rag cult manual he follows.

When you learn the moral of "honestly" you are welcome to admit to everyone here that you have no proof of god and are in fact a dishonest creationist troll.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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So?
Why do Topix atheists take words of religious texts so literal? They so more than theists.
"Your" history is attempted reconstruction of events from fragments of all that was. It can have errors regarding true events. Be advised works such as the Bible go back a long ways, and were much closer in time to preceding events. They had fresher oraL history along with the artifacts.
BTW, people were people back then. Just as varied in thoughts and actions as we are today. They, too, had to occupy their minds like we do. History stultifies them, they become machines and stick figures. Something remote. They were the same as your Mom, Dad, Uncle Harry, and street vendors.
I believe part of present Israel was at one time part of Egypt proper during one of its eras.
Why do creationist trolls lie to excuse the gaping inconsistencies in their poorly constructed religious fraud tales?
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Dave Nelson wrote:
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So?
Why do Topix atheists take words of religious texts so literal? They so more than theists.
"Your" history is attempted reconstruction of events from fragments of all that was. It can have errors regarding true events. Be advised works such as the Bible go back a long ways, and were much closer in time to preceding events. They had fresher oraL history along with the artifacts.
BTW, people were people back then. Just as varied in thoughts and actions as we are today. They, too, had to occupy their minds like we do. History stultifies them, they become machines and stick figures. Something remote. They were the same as your Mom, Dad, Uncle Harry, and street vendors.
I believe part of present Israel was at one time part of Egypt proper during one of its eras.
We can see you are still engaged in your courageous battle with literacy and mental health. Perhaps one day, you will gain sufficient education to join the 21st Century.

There are, of course, many sins one can commit in the eyes of religion. Among the greatest is the sin of having an original thought. Religion disapproves of original thought the way Dracula disapproves of sunlight.

So you discard the old testament? But not the new? You can't have it both ways, all or none. You can't pick and choose what to believe in. Well, you can, but then that makes it basically your own religion, and by definition that makes it your own imagination.

Don't get me wrong. Iím not saying religion doesnít have its uses. Personally I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted. And the holy scriptures come in very handy when I need to justify behaviour Iím ashamed of.

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Thinking wrote:
Why would an all powerful god be concerned about gay sex of a lower species? Is god hoping his mum doesn't see him crack one out?
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God is concerned about gay sex??

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May 25, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
It says cower... Wow you are really desperate. Or are you seeing things wrong through your tears? No shame in you once again being stumped by your betters.
It happens all the time.
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I meant cower, autocorrect changed it.

Your grasping at straws now, loser.

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Imhotep wrote:
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You are too funny!
Almost as funny as your religion and its Bible!
Here is why! crack open a Gideons and check this out.
Todayís scholars can only use the known, that is historical reigning Roman Emperors as a reference in determining dates.
So, since your Bible clearly and unambiguously claims that Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the King, then he, Jesus, had to have been born no later than 4 B.C.
Irony meter goes boom!
Jesus could only have been born a minimum of four years before the birth of Jesus?
After you stop laughing though, consider the import of this paradox.
I live my life so that when my feet hit the floor in the morning Satan shudders in fear, and says "OH For Christ's sake... he's awake!"
The exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown. It's somewhere between 4BC and 3AD.

No one has birth certificates back then, Jesus was no exception to that.

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May 25, 2013
 
What is this topix atheist that you keep dithering on about.

What you personally believe about Israel is irrelevant, history clearly shows the lay out of nations and powers.

You do realize most of the OT is merely stolen and rewritten folk tales from other religions of the area right? And that the NT was written decades if not centuries after the so called events.

The bible is equal to a work of ancient fiction, not much more.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>So?

Why do Topix atheists take words of religious texts so literal? They so more than theists.

"Your" history is attempted reconstruction of events from fragments of all that was. It can have errors regarding true events. Be advised works such as the Bible go back a long ways, and were much closer in time to preceding events. They had fresher oraL history along with the artifacts.

BTW, people were people back then. Just as varied in thoughts and actions as we are today. They, too, had to occupy their minds like we do. History stultifies them, they become machines and stick figures. Something remote. They were the same as your Mom, Dad, Uncle Harry, and street vendors.

I believe part of present Israel was at one time part of Egypt proper during one of its eras.

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May 25, 2013
 
No I am factually destroying you as usual. You still cower from my questions like Buck does green leafy vegetables.

Don't feel bad, you do your best but against your betters? You can't be expected to keep up.
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<quoted text>I meant cower, autocorrect changed it.

Your grasping at straws now, loser.

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May 25, 2013
 
Well since there is no historical evidence for this god man you can assign him any birthday you wish like any work of fiction.
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<quoted text>The exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown. It's somewhere between 4BC and 3AD.

No one has birth certificates back then, Jesus was no exception to that.

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Imhotep wrote:
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We can see you are still engaged in your courageous battle with literacy and mental health. Perhaps one day, you will gain sufficient education to join the 21st Century.
There are, of course, many sins one can commit in the eyes of religion. Among the greatest is the sin of having an original thought. Religion disapproves of original thought the way Dracula disapproves of sunlight.
So you discard the old testament? But not the new? You can't have it both ways, all or none. You can't pick and choose what to believe in. Well, you can, but then that makes it basically your own religion, and by definition that makes it your own imagination.
Don't get me wrong. Iím not saying religion doesnít have its uses. Personally I turn to it whenever I want my intelligence insulted. And the holy scriptures come in very handy when I need to justify behaviour Iím ashamed of.
You are way too passionate in your non-belief.

Curious. There is way more variety of thought in theism than atheism. Topix atheists all say the same thing.

Give us an original thought of your own regarding existence.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are way too passionate in your non-belief.
Curious. There is way more variety of thought in theism than atheism. Topix atheists all say the same thing.
Precisely.

Atheists consistently say they do not believe in deities.

Theists on the other hand are all over the place, and can't reach agreement.

Check out the Why Should Jesus Love Me thread.

It's a hoot to watch the Christians fight with one another over scriptural interpretation and other nonsense.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
No I am factually destroying you as usual. You still cower from my questions like Buck does green leafy vegetables.
HA HA HA !!!!!

Typing one-handed again, huh?

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Well since there is no historical evidence for this god man you can assign him any birthday you wish like any work of fiction.
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There is plenty of historical evidence that Jesus existed.

I'm gonna try to ask you a honest question.....

What evidence of Julius Caesar is there that's different than Jesus?

Alexander the Great?

Nero?

Henry VIII?

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May 25, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:

Precisely.
Atheists consistently say they do not believe in deities.
No they don't.

timn claims to he an atheist but also claims to not know of there's a god.

There nothing consistent about atheism.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Precisely.
Atheists consistently say they do not believe in deities.
Theists on the other hand are all over the place, and can't reach agreement.
Check out the Why Should Jesus Love Me thread.
It's a hoot to watch the Christians fight with one another over scriptural interpretation and other nonsense.
Topix Atheists are stamped from a mould.

Wouldn't be much variation in thought there due to cponstruction. In fact, such was already done for them.

Of course, that small minority of people believes they are the ones "in the know", you know.

You are missing soomething and don't know it, Catcher.

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