Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#166037 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>transference of belief. rational from am irrational atheist doesn't allow for an emotional state of being. thus an irrational atheist doesn't allow emotional or subjective states. yet they often spew hatred, invectives, and condescension as a rational response
Huh?? Atheists have emotional states. We love, care, are happy, sad, angry, calm, feel awe, etc. We also understand that those emotional states don't determine reality. Whether you *like* the way the universe is or not is irrelevant to the *truth* opf how it is.

We can enjoy a sunset, be amazed at the beauty of the stars, be moved by a concert, or a painting, or a piece of literature.

We love our children and our families. We care about our government, our land, and the future of humans on earth (and off it).

We simply don't believe in a deity. Your personal anectdotes don't prove a deity exists. They only prove you have had a moving personal experience. But such experiences are a dime a dozen and are had by people who end up disagreeing about specifics. This means we question the validity of the *conclusions* you draw from your experiences.

What I have found is that theists become very angry when challenged to actually provide proofs of their claims. They think scepticism is 'hate' and any questioning is disrespectful.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#166038 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Take a very cold shower!
Then avoid religion at all costs in the future.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
i don't care what hitchens says. humans have subjective states.

denying them is irrational and subjective. cold showers vs hot showers doesn't make a difference. in everyone's life some rain must fall.

belief is a human condition, even a humanist condition. spare me the hypocrisy
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#166039 May 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?? Atheists have emotional states. We love, care, are happy, sad, angry, calm, feel awe, etc. We also understand that those emotional states don't determine reality. Whether you *like* the way the universe is or not is irrelevant to the *truth* opf how it is.
We can enjoy a sunset, be amazed at the beauty of the stars, be moved by a concert, or a painting, or a piece of literature.
We love our children and our families. We care about our government, our land, and the future of humans on earth (and off it).
We simply don't believe in a deity. Your personal anectdotes don't prove a deity exists. They only prove you have had a moving personal experience. But such experiences are a dime a dozen and are had by people who end up disagreeing about specifics. This means we question the validity of the *conclusions* you draw from your experiences.
What I have found is that theists become very angry when challenged to actually provide proofs of their claims. They think scepticism is 'hate' and any questioning is disrespectful.
emotions aren't considered rational. they are subjective. welcome to the human race.

two sides of the same coin janus, two faced.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#166040 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Take a very cold shower!
Then avoid religion at all costs in the future.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
you don't think(believe) the humanist movement isn't organizing?

in nature's scheme balance is the ideal. she abhors a vacuum.

nothing to excess. fill it up, feel me up?
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#166041 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>you don't think(believe) the humanist movement isn't organizing?
in nature's scheme balance is the ideal. she abhors a vacuum.
nothing to excess. fill it up, feel me up?
OK! Happy to enlighten you...

Forget every current organized religion on the planet.

This is all mankind will ever need... and it was stated, long before the current cults.

"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE

"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE

"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE

"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE

"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE

"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#166042 May 26, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text>Listen pee wee , im not worthy of untying their shoe latch. Do you feel intimidated by the 2 smartest people in the room?
Intelligence never intimidates me.

Do you use lube?
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#166043 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
OK! Happy to enlighten you...
Forget every current organized religion on the planet.
This is all mankind will ever need... and it was stated, long before the current cults.
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE
"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE
"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE
"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE
"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE
how about forgetting every known belief system; including humanism too?

the names change but the actions never do.

nature made me perfect; so why a need for a re-dress under the organization of humanism?

its ONE MYSTERY, unio mystica, ONE LAW,

Since: Sep 08

Saguache, CO

#166044 May 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Meaning they couldn't restore them after your head injured self chopped them off?
<quoted text>
I chopped them up, not off. Missing meat and some knuckle. The ER doctor had me transported 130 miles to the nearest hospital with a hand surgeon, as he expected them to come off. Their ER was swamped that night, so they just sewed things back together the best they could. Too far to go for followup. They discharged me around midnight into 40 degree weather with a 40 mph wind, wearing just a sweatshirt and jeans. My car was 150 miles away. A nice neighbor drove all that way to pick me up.

Took me three days before I unbandaged and looked at them expecting to see green. They came out pretty good considering. I'm a good healer. Good ER doctor that did the sewing, too.

I was drilling holes in tiny pieces of sheet metal the next day. The nick I got in my finger on the other hand was more distracting than the chopped up finger. Used the saw again within the first week. With a certain enhanced respect for its abilities.

The chip guard had a habit of falling down. I had just finished my cuts and was pulling away over the top of the blade, which was even with the top of the rip fence, when it fell, knocking my fingers into the blade. The rip fence kept my fingers from getting chopped off.

Just another mistake in life I escaped and learned something from. You would have cried and railed against the saw manufacturer. No way would you believe you could do something stupid like that. Your stupidity is expressed in other ways.

Since: Sep 08

Saguache, CO

#166045 May 26, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Intelligence never intimidates me.
Do you use lube?
Ignorance is bliss, eh?
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#166046 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>how about forgetting every known belief system; including humanism too?
the names change but the actions never do.
nature made me perfect; so why a need for a re-dress under the organization of humanism?
its ONE MYSTERY, unio mystica, ONE LAW,
Humanism respects all life
It has no bias based on religious nonsense.
It has created no laws based on religious nonsense
It affirms decent human behavior without the need of an imaginary friend.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#166047 May 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorance is bliss, eh?
You sure seem happy.

Is the sex good?
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#166048 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Humanism respects all life
It has no bias based on religious nonsense.
it has bias based on belief and corruptible.
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>It has created no laws based on religious nonsense
it has formalized ideas that it considers as foundational to it's cause
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>It affirms decent human behavior without the need of an imaginary friend.
most organized belief systems do before you have the high priests trying to create hierarchies and the pretense of them being friendly and knowledgeable.

you're just another proselytizer for the cause going by another label

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#166049 May 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Ignorance is bliss, eh?
Let's hope you're not typing while drilling holes, or sawing, or something like that.

And if you are, keep the cigarette between you lips--don't grab it, the ashes will drop down due to the theory of gravity.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#166050 May 26, 2013
:)) lmfao!
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>Wow.

Dave and buck show up together again.

Q'elle surprise!

Taking a break from the honeymoon sex?

Where's bongo? Both hands busy?
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#166051 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>it has bias based on belief and corruptible.
<quoted text>it has formalized ideas that it considers as foundational to it's cause
<quoted text>most organized belief systems do before you have the high priests trying to create hierarchies and the pretense of them being friendly and knowledgeable.
you're just another proselytizer for the cause going by another label
I see you remain engaged in a courageous battle with literacy albeit profoundly challenged by fact, reality, reason and common sense.

Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum !

Since: Sep 08

Saguache, CO

#166052 May 26, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's hope you're not typing while drilling holes, or sawing, or something like that.
And if you are, keep the cigarette between you lips--don't grab it, the ashes will drop down due to the theory of gravity.
Ever pull the skin off your lip from the filter of a cigarette getting stuck to it? Why I try not to do anything requiring lots of focus without a cigarette stuck in my mouth. It hurts.

BTW, wind and blasts of air from machinery will overcome that gravity. You get ashes in your eyes or up your nose.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#166053 May 26, 2013
And how could you possibly know what I would or wouldn't do?

The interesting thing is I have a proper education that involved using those devil books which you decry. You on the other hand hurt yourself including head injuries as a way of learning. So what is the result when we compare the two?

I repeatedly factually prove you wrong, while you think there is such a thing as topix atheists yet can't even name one.

But that's okay Dave, you George Burns on in here with your incorrect data all the time only for it to get proven wrong time after time.

So again who exactly is a topix atheist again? Head injury slowing your ability to answer I guess.

:)). Lmfao!
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>

Just another mistake in life I escaped and learned something from. You would have cried and railed against the saw manufacturer. No way would you believe you could do something stupid like that. Your stupidity is expressed in other ways.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#166054 May 26, 2013
.... Insert Dave and Buck honeymoon joke here.... Fart bubbles strikes again!

Crazy ole Dave, always good for a laugh eh?

Lmfao!
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Ever pull the skin off your lip from the filter of a cigarette getting stuck to it? Why I try not to do anything requiring lots of focus without a cigarette stuck in my mouth. It hurts.

BTW, wind and blasts of air from machinery will overcome that gravity. You get ashes in your eyes or up your nose.

Since: Sep 08

Saguache, CO

#166055 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you remain engaged in a courageous battle with literacy albeit profoundly challenged by fact, reality, reason and common sense.
Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum !
You are amusing.

You are a little bubble of bullshit spinning around in a vast universe peeking out a little portal at it as it spins and gets bumped around faster than you can keep track of it.

And you know "the truth". Because someone told you it was truth.

You have a real issue. You believe the overwhelming mass of humanity is wrong on their religious beliefs. You got "informed". "Clued in" by a few of that mass. All of whom are doing the same spinning around.

Of course this is reinforced by anger issues within you.

I mentioned earlier how Topix atheists all read from the same script, while theists have varying perceptions of the "reality" of existence. Topix atheists "just exist", and are very parochial in their worldview..

Those other spinning bubbles made you their slave. It is YOUR existence, and you let others rob you of what you can experience in it.

Sucker.

Since: Sep 08

Saguache, CO

#166056 May 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
And how could you possibly know what I would or wouldn't do?
The interesting thing is I have a proper education that involved using those devil books which you decry. You on the other hand hurt yourself including head injuries as a way of learning. So what is the result when we compare the two?
I repeatedly factually prove you wrong, while you think there is such a thing as topix atheists yet can't even name one.
But that's okay Dave, you George Burns on in here with your incorrect data all the time only for it to get proven wrong time after time.
So again who exactly is a topix atheist again? Head injury slowing your ability to answer I guess.
:)). Lmfao!
<quoted text>
Young puppy, you don't have the makings to "prove" anything to anyone. You just don't have the life experience. Some formal education, but that is just a stepping stone to learning, and is just indoctrination if you don't use it to learn further.

You ain't even house broke yet. You go around pooping and peeing wherever you feel like because you haven't learned it stinks and isn't healthy in the long run.

Difficult training creatures like you nowadays. The digital age has made newspapers and magazines harder to find and use properly.

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