Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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May 18, 2013
 
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>It is truly telling of your psyche that you require god to derive meaning from life.
How do you derive meaning from an atheistic worldview?

You criticise but fail to account for meaning.

Isn't that a reflection on your own psyche?:-)

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mtimber wrote:
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Why is it advantageous to ensure our genes continue to descend and to who?
The universe doesn't care.
And the rest of the animal kingdom would benefit from our demise.
Your ancestors won't care who they got their genes from, in a few generations the wont even remember you.
The success of the human race in the atheistic worldview is irrelevant as according to atheism itself, it will disappear at some point as it becomes the next victim of evolutionary processes...
So looking at atheism, there is no real purpose to atheism, it cannot account for the sense of purpose each human has...
Now you are projecting your weak personal flaws on to others. Life has what purposes you make of it, we need no fricking skydaddy to tell us what our purposes in life can be.

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<quoted text>We can easily derive meaning from our lives through our relationships with loved ones, our personal sense of fulfillment, our emotions, our morality, etc.

No god is necessary for life to have meaning. I don't understand why you consider life worthless without an afterlife. If anything, the fact (as far as we know) that this life is all we get makes it *more* meaningful, not less.
You have not understood the point I suspect.

I am not arguing that you do not have a sense of meaning.

I am pointing out that you cannot account for a sense of meaning.

To have meaning requires your existence to be intentional, if you are merely one of the universes accidents, then their is no rational basis for your sense of meaning and purpose.

Your worldview cannot account for your inherent sense of meaning...

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May 18, 2013
 
coping with atheists wrote:
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No he didn't , but thanks for admitting that God does exist. You do that more often than you realize. Your inability to drop the subject about God for starters.
The only reason you want to attempt to bully atheists into not talking about your delusion is so you do not have to face that your delusion is a delusion. That is all you have done with this post, betray the fear or being shown the one real fact:

Your god is a lie.

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mtimber wrote:
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How do you derive meaning from an atheistic worldview?
You criticise but fail to account for meaning.
Isn't that a reflection on your own psyche?:-)
Why does meaning have to be inherent?

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It was either accidental or it was intentional which one is it?
Yeah, nope. Reactions to forces of nature are not accidental, is the formation of snow an accident? Is the volcanic flow an accident? Is tectonic activity and accident? When the wind blows, is that an accident?
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The troll septic posting under another name
"Th-th-th-th-that's all, folks!"
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Jackasses tend to bray.
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coping with atheists wrote:
<quoted text>No he didn't , but thanks for admitting that God does exist. You do that more often than you realize. Your inability to drop the subject about God for starters.
You are here because you doubt your own beliefs.

But you're afraid to admit it.

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<quoted text> No that isn't what I wrote.
I wrote that what topix theists think is atheism for many is no more than rational skepticism based on scientific reasoning, or aka freethinking based on logical thinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.

I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.

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May 18, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.

I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
"Worship" is unique to religion.

How ya doin', Dave?

Got all your fingers?

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Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.

I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
P.S. I see buck let you up long enough to type a post. I expect he an bongo will be arriving here shortly.

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Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.
I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
So you admit that the only way to get people to believe in religious nonsense is to indoctrinate them. Why do you support indoctrinating children?
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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.
I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
Maybe you could try Homeopathy to fix your irrational belief in things that have no scientific basis?

Theists are akin to Han Solo dumping cargo to make the jump to light speed... At the first sign of Imperial cruisers Carrying those dreaded FACTS!

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May 18, 2013
 
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.
Smears at the religion of a billion people may be a sign of Decline?
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May 18, 2013
 
Lincoln wrote:
To state as Dawkins has that religion is a form of child abuse is closer to raving than to reason.
Smears at the religion of a billion people may be a sign of Decline?
We cannot pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian God may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible.

"Because it works bitches!" ;)
~ Dawkins

Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a religious mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy. Thorazine 500 mg
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Imhotep wrote:
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We cannot pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian God may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them.
The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible.
"Because it works bitches!" ;)
~ Dawkins
Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a religious mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy. Thorazine 500 mg
evangelical atheists seem obsessed / O C D with convincing everyone around them, usually through amusing intolerance.
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May 18, 2013
 
Lincoln wrote:
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evangelical atheists seem obsessed / O C D with convincing everyone around them, usually through amusing intolerance.
Amusing intolerance?

I'll bet you laughed really hard on 911.

You did the Christian thing and forgave them, Because you are so very tolerant of them and their beliefs.

You really loved those Muslim brothers right?
They are after all your fellow creations correct?
They were really amusing, why - There was a mosque on the 17th floor of the World Trade Center 2

This may seem amusing to a stupid Christian it's not amusing to atheists

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Silly "frethinking" creature. You have just exchanged indoctrination by one group of men for indoctrination of others. You now worship men, and not the creative force.
I know you are happier being submissive to those humans you consider smarter than you. Even though they will be less tolerant of differing opinions than the old order. You will be trapped in their determinations of your ultimate worth to humanity. And supporting them handsomely.
Free thought is exactly in opposition to brainwashing, Dave. But it's true you could never know this.
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May 18, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
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Amusing intolerance?
I'll bet you laughed really hard on 911.
You did the Christian thing and forgave them, Because you are so very tolerant of them and their beliefs.
You really loved those Muslim brothers right?
They are after all your fellow creations correct?
They were really amusing, why - There was a mosque on the 17th floor of the World Trade Center 2
This may seem amusing to a stupid Christian it's not amusing to atheists
That was to Lincoln. I guess he is not the sort of person I would like to see using the name Lincoln. I do not like the discussions that are full of such backandforth hostility, and have found a more intelligent and kindhearted thread. I would like to know whether you prefer hostile argument, or nuanced discussion with wise folks? I would also invite you to state your own views directly. I am an agnostic athiest. I am hostile to the extreme right-wing of most religions, and also of right-wing non-religious dogmatic ideologues. By rightwing I mean pro-war and unkind in policies. so, where do you stand? and which type of discussion do you prefer?
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May 18, 2013
 
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Free thought is exactly in opposition to brainwashing, Dave. But it's true you could never know this.
Hi, please explain more about the name you use.

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