Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Bib bang? Was that an infant fight or something? Lol!

Again chump atheism is not believing in god, it has nothing to do with evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang or this bib bang that you are going on about.

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Atheism is the denial of the existence of God.

Contrary to what you might claim, atheism is determined to deny the possibility of God's existence.

Redefining a term does not change the clear behaviour, that you and other atheists engage in.

Your anger towards God and anyone presenting Him to you clearly shows that this is an emotional issue for you.

You can try to define a time in a certain way, but you have to justify this emotional reaction you have to the mention of Gods existence.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Much of what is defined as atheism by brainwashed morons is actually pure logical reasoning or simply (freethinking).
The scientific approach requires evidence to determine.
Not faith not belief 100% pure unbullshitted evidence.

Bite down on the reality of the evidence, it's CSI.. Does your mythological god really exist episode 1.
I'm from Missouri, so show me.
On the subject of reasoning, can you account for the existence of logic?

You say that atheism is founded on logic, if that is the case, please can you account for the existence of the transcendental laws of logic.

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mtimber wrote:
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Atheism does seem obsessed with denying God.
Why the concern?
Our culture is saturated with the trappings of christianity and religion in general.

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mtimber wrote:
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So the male Lion gets to the top of the pride by being caring?
The evolutionary (imaginary) process, does not require care or concern, only survival...
Unless you are arguing that evolutions main tenet is "survival of the most caring..."?
Anything that increases our ability to pass on our genes to the next generation is advantageous - caring for "family" members can certainly be an effective way to ensure our genes continue to descend.

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mtimber wrote:
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You have changed the subject, you were arguing that "survival of the fittest" was not the central tenet of natural selection, but that "survival of the caring" is the central tenet.
Why have you switched your argument?
To answer your point, why would an atheist be worried about God approving or disapproving one tribe wiping out another when it is a central tenet of evolution?
It seems it is okay if it is produced by evolution, but the wrong if it comes from God?
Why the double standard?
Evolution is not a conscious agent. God is said to be a merciful, loving, all powerful being who turns a blind eye while babies starve to death.

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mtimber wrote:
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You keep avoiding the question as does all the atheists on here so far.
You cannot account for why you have a sense of purpose.
All you can do is try to evade the question.
Proving the very point I am making.
You have a sense of purpose that you cannot account for it, you remove God from the equation and therefore the only reasonable explanation of why you have a sense of purpose is removed as well.
Your inability to answer the question proves the point.
Do you actually think this makes any sense?

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mtimber wrote:
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Look at the world where young people commit suicide because They have no purpose.
A secular world where atheism is encouraged and promoted.
Where satisfying the carnal nature is the highest objective of the atheistic worldview, there is nothing else.
There is no point to life, so people just opt out.
What is it that you think atheism offers, a hopeless existence, where one that can satisfy the carnal lasts at best.
And you think this is something worth selling to humanity?
It is truly telling of your psyche that you require god to derive meaning from life.

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mtimber wrote:
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Look at the world where young people commit suicide because They have no purpose.
A secular world where atheism is encouraged and promoted.
Where satisfying the carnal nature is the highest objective of the atheistic worldview, there is nothing else.
There is no point to life, so people just opt out.
What is it that you think atheism offers, a hopeless existence, where one that can satisfy the carnal lasts at best.
And you think this is something worth selling to humanity?
We can easily derive meaning from our lives through our relationships with loved ones, our personal sense of fulfillment, our emotions, our morality, etc.

No god is necessary for life to have meaning. I don't understand why you consider life worthless without an afterlife. If anything, the fact (as far as we know) that this life is all we get makes it *more* meaningful, not less.

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May 18, 2013
 
How can you possibly know how they will be looked at in two generations?

See this is how you Christholes make such jackasses out of yourself.

My worldview offers truth not delusion. Few things are more liberating and hopeful than truth.
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<quoted text>Yes, that may be true, but they will all die and be irrelevant in two generations.

What is the point?

Your worldview offers nothing but hopelessness.

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May 18, 2013
 
Jackasses tend to bray.
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you actually think this makes any sense?

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Atheism ... A-theism.. Without theism... Without belief in god.

Sorry, I know it doesn't fit your apologetic argument but we deal in reality and reason.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is the denial of the existence of God.

Contrary to what you might claim, atheism is determined to deny the possibility of God's existence.

Redefining a term does not change the clear behaviour, that you and other atheists engage in.

Your anger towards God and anyone presenting Him to you clearly shows that this is an emotional issue for you.

You can try to define a time in a certain way, but you have to justify this emotional reaction you have to the mention of Gods existence.

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May 18, 2013
 
Why is Sweden not a cauldron of seething hate and violence then?

It seems your apologetic argument has more holes in it than a pasta strainer.

Atheism merely means not believing in god it has no other so called world views. It only deals with a lack of theistic belief.

Hence why most atheists are secular humanists and pacifists which describes most of our worldview.
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<quoted text>Why is killing wrong when the stronger survive there is no basis in atheism for this to be wrong.

You claim it is sad, but why is it sad?

In your worldview, survival of the fittest is the only thing that matters, sadness is irrelevant.

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May 18, 2013
 
Are you seriously trying to claim that today's secular humanist morals originate with Christianity? Lol!

Christianity states a non Christian can kill his family, go to prison, convert to Christianity and go to heaven while his victims who didn't convert most likely burn in hell.

No Christian that I have spoken to has ever denied this as you before did not deny this.

It is damn near impossible to have a worse set of morals.
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<quoted text>The evidence is you deny Christianity, whilst appealing to Christian standards of morality appealing to Christian revelations of the scientific method and basing most of your worldview on the Christian worldview.

When you are asked to rationalise from your own worldview alone you cannot do that you have to borrow from the Christian worldview.

You deny Christianity, but use its logic and philosophy to make your arguments. That in itself is all the evidence you should need.

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May 18, 2013
 
This has been answered sadly you lack the comprehension to understand. This is most likely because of your apologetic brain washing. Sorry we can't fix stupid especially when you have a preconceived notion that you are unable to budge from. The sad thing is you start with your conclusion and work backwards.

This is highly illogical and childish.

Again until you have demonstrated observable proof for this Jewish sky wizard you call god, you are unable to assign deeds and attributes to him.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>You keep avoiding the question as does all the atheists on here so far.

You cannot account for why you have a sense of purpose.

All you can do is try to evade the question.

Proving the very point I am making.

You have a sense of purpose that you cannot account for it, you remove God from the equation and therefore the only reasonable explanation of why you have a sense of purpose is removed as well.

Your inability to answer the question proves the point.

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May 18, 2013
 
Just smiling and pointing out your ignorance.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Was there a specific point you were trying to make?

Or are you merely indulging in arbitrary ad homonym?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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mtimber wrote:
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On the subject of reasoning, can you account for the existence of logic?
You say that atheism is founded on logic, if that is the case, please can you account for the existence of the transcendental laws of logic.
No that isn't what I wrote.
I wrote that what topix theists think is atheism for many is no more than rational skepticism based on scientific reasoning, or aka freethinking based on logical thinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Anything that increases our ability to pass on our genes to the next generation is advantageous - caring for "family" members can certainly be an effective way to ensure our genes continue to descend.
Why is it advantageous to ensure our genes continue to descend and to who?

The universe doesn't care.

And the rest of the animal kingdom would benefit from our demise.

Your ancestors won't care who they got their genes from, in a few generations the wont even remember you.

The success of the human race in the atheistic worldview is irrelevant as according to atheism itself, it will disappear at some point as it becomes the next victim of evolutionary processes...

So looking at atheism, there is no real purpose to atheism, it cannot account for the sense of purpose each human has...

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution is not a conscious agent. God is said to be a merciful, loving, all powerful being who turns a blind eye while babies starve to death.
What's your point?

Atheism demands that suffering be an essential part of evolutionary progress, so upon what absolute moral basis do you condemn this version of God you present?

Why would you care and upon what basis do you justify the moral position of caring.

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mtimber wrote:
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Atheism is the denial of the existence of God.
Contrary to what you might claim, atheism is determined to deny the possibility of God's existence.
Redefining a term does not change the clear behaviour, that you and other atheists engage in.
Your anger towards God and anyone presenting Him to you clearly shows that this is an emotional issue for you.
You can try to define a time in a certain way, but you have to justify this emotional reaction you have to the mention of Gods existence.
This is the classic attempt to shift the burden of proof to the nonbeliever. You cant prove there is a god so you arrogantly attempt to make the existence of one the default position.
You do not have to deny something that isn't there, but for your attempt to define belief , define mine a NON BELIEVER.
I simply do not believe what you do in any circumstance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonbeliever

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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you actually think this makes any sense?
Absolutely, a sense of purpose itself requires an explanation of its existence, are you arguing that it doesn't?

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