Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162913 Apr 1, 2013
Answers in genesis langoliers? Seriously?
KJV wrote:

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#162914 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Darwin was dead how could he be against it?
Social Darwinism is an ideology of society that seeks to apply biological concepts of Darwinism or of evolutionary theory to sociology and politics, often with the assumption that conflict between groups in society leads to social progress as superior groups outcompete inferior ones.

The name social Darwinism is a modern name given to the various theories of society that emerged in England and the United States in the 1870s, which, it is alleged, sought to apply biological concepts to sociology and politics.[1][2] The term social Darwinism gained widespread currency when used in 1944 to oppose these earlier concepts. Today, because of the negative connotations of the theory of social Darwinism, especially after the atrocities of the Second World War (including the Holocaust), few people would describe themselves as social Darwinists and the term is generally seen as pejorative.[3]

Social Darwinism is generally understood to use the concepts of struggle for existence and survival of the fittest to justify social policies which make no distinction between those able to support themselves and those unable to support themselves. Many such views stress competition between individuals in laissez-faire capitalism; but the ideology has also motivated ideas of eugenics, scientific racism, imperialism,[4] fascism, Nazism and struggle between national or racial groups.[5][6]

Opponents of evolution theory have often maintained that social Darwinism is a logical entailment of a belief in evolutionary theory, while biologists and historians maintain that it is rather a perversion of Charles Darwin's ideas.[7] While most scholars recognize historical links between Darwin's theory and forms of social Darwinism, they also maintain that social Darwinism is not a necessary consequence of the principles of biological evolution[8] and that using biological evolution as a justification for policies of inequality amounts to committing the naturalistic fallacy.

Charles Darwin did not subscribe to this ideology.[9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#162915 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
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So you would throw this out?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
"A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! "
"Atheism is in decline."
You never responded to my refutation of this when you posted it as Langoliers in the Atheism Rising thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

This might surprise you, but most here read more than one thread and will continue to discount this as you spam it across the forum, no matter which sock you use.
KJV

United States

#162919 Apr 1, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>You never responded to my refutation of this when you posted it as Langoliers in the Atheism Rising thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

This might surprise you, but most here read more than one thread and will continue to discount this as you spam it across the forum, no matter which sock you use.
Well I am not Langoliers sorry to disappoint you. Langoliers is out of the country.

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#162920 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Darwin was dead how could he be against it?
Social Darwinism was around before he died, he was against it.
KJV

United States

#162921 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Social Darwinism was around before he died, he was against it.
I see, pity he didn't succeed.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#162922 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You believers are quick to drop your failures.
Hitler was the biggest christian failure ever, I don't blame you for trying to escape being in the same religion with him.
People need adversity or else humanity will become stagnant

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#162923 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Well I am not Langoliers sorry to disappoint you. Langoliers is out of the country.
Why, then, are some of your posts identical to his? Do you copy and paste them without attribution or perhaps copy them from the same source? Do neither of you have any of your own thoughts to share?

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#162924 Apr 1, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>People need adversity or else humanity will become stagnant
But the root cause is that we are predators.
It's not stagnation , it's like musical chairs and its war while the music playing. When the music stops everyone wants a chair.
Not everyone will get one. Still, everyone wants to have the last chair, but only one will have it in the end. It's winner takes all and dog e dog. We will never escape the animal inside , it want's to be unleashed and rip the competition limb from limb.

That's how we know we evolved from apes and are the murderer of apes.
Expert in All Things

Cottonwood, CA

#162925 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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But the root cause is that we are predators.
It's not stagnation , it's like musical chairs and its war while the music playing. When the music stops everyone wants a chair.
Not everyone will get one. Still, everyone wants to have the last chair, but only one will have it in the end. It's winner takes all and dog e dog. We will never escape the animal inside , it want's to be unleashed and rip the competition limb from limb.
That's how we know we evolved from apes and are the murderer of apes.
Musical chairs? That is real deep science you got going for ya...
nizam

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#162926 Apr 1, 2013
Islam is the true religion
Expert in All Things

Cottonwood, CA

#162928 Apr 1, 2013
nizam wrote:
Islam is the true religion
How do you know this?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#162929 Apr 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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"Where did Darwin's ideas lead?
let's see, emblazening "In god we trust" on every single nazi belt?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#162930 Apr 2, 2013
KJV wrote:
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Darwin was dead how could he be against it?
Because he thought of its implications first you twit. It's got his freaking name in it.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162931 Apr 2, 2013
And under your langoliers screen name you used this exact same excuse not a week ago saying KJV was out if the country. Where? Why?..... Just you know out of the country lol!

So pathetic.
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>Well I am not Langoliers sorry to disappoint you. Langoliers is out of the country.
gommom

Pittsburgh, PA

#162932 Apr 2, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Religon is a Lie,,,Takes no Faith to burn the Bible
Imhotep

United States

#162933 Apr 2, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen we see RR's lack of reading comprehension crystal clear here.
I quote Hitler gushing about banishing atheism in Germany and he thinks I am the one making the claim.
Anyone want to say he has achieved even an 11th grade education? Anyone?
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A juvenile with way too much time on her hands.
A life spent on topix - hopelessly arguing a subject people in this forum have no interest in.

It appears that atheist forums attract bizarre religious types. I wonder how many atheists attend super religious forums where people revel in their shared fantasies?

For amusement purposes only.

What entertains me the most is the level of desperation!

Since: Mar 11

Australia

#162934 Apr 2, 2013
nizam wrote:
Islam is the true religion
Only if your Islamic!
If your Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Jewish, your religion is the "true", religion. So tell me what was God up to, telling all of you your's is the true religion, causing you to fight, hate anyone that thinks differently from you. And what? kill in his name. All sounds like a bit of a joke, if you weren't so serious.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162935 Apr 2, 2013
Honestly I never patrol the religious boards myself, although I have heard there are some juicy ones with much fail to laugh at :)
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>A juvenile with way too much time on her hands.
A life spent on topix - hopelessly arguing a subject people in this forum have no interest in.

It appears that atheist forums attract bizarre religious types. I wonder how many atheists attend super religious forums where people revel in their shared fantasies?

For amusement purposes only.

What entertains me the most is the level of desperation!

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#162936 Apr 2, 2013
I've decided to repost the critiques of Langoliers' statistical assertions that KJV reposted in toto so that readers who haven't read them before can have a look. Here's the first:

In order to compare results of surveys, you have to look at the metadata, i.e., how the subjects were selected, what questions were asked, and how the results are analyzed. The above results are from a wide variety of polls and tend to represent a small but stable worldwide atheist population--since the results are from different polls, the variation wouldn't be enough to determine a trend even if the metadata were known.

As one who follows these studies, though, I have to say that the 2012 figures are probably not from a poll that was conducted in 2012, only one that was published then. The last surveys by Pew and ARIS were conducted in 2005-2007, and when the references are traced, they almost invariably come from one of those sources. I don't know of any comprehensive study that post-dates those. I would expect that studies conducted in 2012 will see their first publication sometime this year, and I will be surprised if they don't show modest growth, but there's no way of knowing until new results are available.

Studies of smaller populations show a modest decline of religion, notably in Ireland (IN-Gallup).

In the US, the data is more dynamic with ARIS showing a decline in the religious population from 89.5% in 1990 to 79.9% in 2008 and an increase of "nones" from 8.2% to 15.0% over the same period. It should be noted that only 7% of those "nones" are what ARIS calls atheists,(certain that there is no God), and 35% agnostics compared to 2% and 10% in the general population, modest compared to some PEW studies, but differences in the phrasing of the polls' questions could have accounted for that.

Atheism in the rise, stable or declining: inconclusive.

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