Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

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#162884 Apr 1, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike you, right?
Right.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162885 Apr 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Name these historians, must be quite a list eh?
Be sure to have proof backing up that they made this assertion.
There are no atheists in Germany! We will convert Stalin's people to Christianity and acceptance of the creator.
"There are no atheists in Germany"???

O_o

Are you sure about that?

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#162886 Apr 1, 2013

Hitler's minister Bormann, sounding exactly like a Topix atheist:

"National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches."

“Ditat Deus”

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#162887 Apr 1, 2013
Mikko wrote:
Wikipedia isn't usefull as evidence (everyone can make changes)
Maybe it could help you spell "useful" correctly......

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#162888 Apr 1, 2013
Hitler and the Nazis hated Christianity, but they loved DARWINISM.

Sound familiar?

"The key elements in the ideology that produced Auschwitz are moral relativism aligned with a rejection of the sacredness of human life, a belief that violent competition in nature creates greater and lesser races, that the greater will inevitably exterminate the lesser, and finally that the lesser race most in need of extermination is the Jews. All but the last of these ideas may be found in Darwin’s writing."

-David Klinghoffer

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#162890 Apr 1, 2013
The biographies of Hitler almost all point to his rejection of Christianity in favor of embracing DARWINISM.

"Hitler: A Study in Tyranny", by Alan Bullock:

“The basis of Hitler’s political beliefs was a crude Darwinism.” Its [Christianity's] teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.”

Where have I heard stuff like this lately?

Topix atheists?

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#162891 Apr 1, 2013
Hitler and the Nazis used DARWINISM to justify the jewish holocaust:

In a 1937 Nazi propaganda film, "Victims of the Past", the audience is shown a retarded person as the narrator remarks:

“In the last few decades, mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection. We haven’t just maintained life unworthy of life, we have even allowed it to multiply.”

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162892 Apr 1, 2013
Ladies and gentlemen we see RR's lack of reading comprehension crystal clear here.

I quote Hitler gushing about banishing atheism in Germany and he thinks I am the one making the claim.

Anyone want to say he has achieved even an 11th grade education? Anyone?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>"There are no atheists in Germany"???

O_o

Are you sure about that?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162893 Apr 1, 2013
He had plans for Protestantism to become the main church in Germany.

He did this because they could be easier controlled with no outside influence like the Vatican.

Sounds like a very active Christian indeed!
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>The Nuremberg Papers released after the fall of the Berlin Wall prove conclusively Hitler was no Christian, hated Christianity, and had plans already drawn for eradicating Christianity from Germany.

The case is settled. Catch up.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162894 Apr 1, 2013
And make the Protestant church the main church in Germany as it was the church in England, his plan according to RR's link.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>No.

Hitler's "Thirty-Point Program for the "National Reich Church"


"The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably...the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800... "

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162895 Apr 1, 2013
Hitler said they were going to exterminate the Christ killing Jews. That he would punish them for what they had done to Jesus and how he was being guided by the creator ( intelligent designer ) to do so.

Hitler would have been a big fan of intelligent design no dout.
Buck Crick wrote:
Hitler and the Nazis used DARWINISM to justify the jewish holocaust:

In a 1937 Nazi propaganda film, "Victims of the Past", the audience is shown a retarded person as the narrator remarks:

“In the last few decades, mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection. We haven’t just maintained life unworthy of life, we have even allowed it to multiply.”

“Ditat Deus”

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#162896 Apr 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen we see RR's lack of reading comprehension crystal clear here.
I quote Hitler gushing about banishing atheism in Germany and he thinks I am the one making the claim.
Anyone want to say he has achieved even an 11th grade education? Anyone?
<quoted text>
Hey, douche. Here's your post, verbatim:

Givemeliberty wrote:
Name these historians, must be quite a list eh?
Be sure to have proof backing up that they made this assertion.
There are no atheists in Germany! We will convert Stalin's people to Christianity and acceptance of the creator.

Not once did you imply that you were quoting Hitler.

F_ckin idiot.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162897 Apr 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
And make the Protestant church the main church in Germany as it was the church in England, his plan according to RR's link.
<quoted text>
And you bitch about MY reading comprehension??

LMMFAO!

"In Hitler's political relations dealing with religion he readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes."

"According to Marshall Dill, one of the greatest challenges the Nazi state faced in its effort to "eradicate Christianity in Germany or at least subjugate it to their general world outlook" was that the Nazis could not justifiably connect German faith communities to the corruption of the old regime"

"Because of the long history of Christianity in Germany, Hitler could not attack Christianity as openly as he did Judaism, Communism or other political opponents."

"The list of Nazi affronts to and attacks on the Catholic Church is long."

The attacks tended not to be overt, but were still dangerous; believers were made to feel that they were not good Germans and their leaders were painted as treasonous and contemptible."

"The state removed crucifixes from the walls of Catholic classrooms and replaced it with a photo of the Führer."

"Hitler issued a statement saying that he wished to avoid factional disputes in Germany's churches."

"He feared the political power that the churches had, and did not want to openly antagonize that political base until he had securely gained control of the country."

===***^^^ READ CAREFULLY ^^^***===

"Once in power Hitler showed his contempt for non-Aryan religion and sought to eliminate it from areas under his rule."

"During negotiations relating to the Concordat with the Catholic Church and the Nazis state in 1933, Hitler expressed his view on the relationship between race and religion"

====

The funniest thing is that you retarded f_cking atheists ONLY read his pre-power political speeches as your "proof".

You're just a bunch of ignorant, cherry picking assholes.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162898 Apr 1, 2013
You aren't that ignorant RR.

Okay moving on... Name those historians already if you can. Or are you admitting defeat and wish to change the subject?

:knowing smile:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, douche. Here's your post, verbatim:

Givemeliberty wrote:
Name these historians, must be quite a list eh?
Be sure to have proof backing up that they made this assertion.
There are no atheists in Germany! We will convert Stalin's people to Christianity and acceptance of the creator.

Not once did you imply that you were quoting Hitler.

F_ckin idiot.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162899 Apr 1, 2013
As you said, Non aryan. Hitler believed Jesus was an aryan and was working to promote positive Christianity, his own take on the Protestant church.

He wanted this to become the main church in Germany, again from YOUR link!

Every action you mention here is him working towards that goal of his positive Christianity for Germany. Basically mimicking what the King of England had done.

Again from your own link.... Now you were going to be providing these historians or???
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>And you bitch about MY reading comprehension??

LMMFAO!

"In Hitler's political relations dealing with religion he readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes."

"According to Marshall Dill, one of the greatest challenges the Nazi state faced in its effort to "eradicate Christianity in Germany or at least subjugate it to their general world outlook" was that the Nazis could not justifiably connect German faith communities to the corruption of the old regime"

"Because of the long history of Christianity in Germany, Hitler could not attack Christianity as openly as he did Judaism, Communism or other political opponents."

"The list of Nazi affronts to and attacks on the Catholic Church is long."

The attacks tended not to be overt, but were still dangerous; believers were made to feel that they were not good Germans and their leaders were painted as treasonous and contemptible."

"The state removed crucifixes from the walls of Catholic classrooms and replaced it with a photo of the FĂĽhrer."

"Hitler issued a statement saying that he wished to avoid factional disputes in Germany's churches."

"He feared the political power that the churches had, and did not want to openly antagonize that political base until he had securely gained control of the country."

===***^^^ READ CAREFULLY ^^^***===

"Once in power Hitler showed his contempt for non-Aryan religion and sought to eliminate it from areas under his rule."

"During negotiations relating to the Concordat with the Catholic Church and the Nazis state in 1933, Hitler expressed his view on the relationship between race and religion"

====

The funniest thing is that you retarded f_cking atheists ONLY read his pre-power political speeches as your "proof".

You're just a bunch of ignorant, cherry picking assholes.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#162900 Apr 1, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The Nuremberg Papers released after the fall of the Berlin Wall prove conclusively Hitler was no Christian, hated Christianity, and had plans already drawn for eradicating Christianity from Germany.
The case is settled. Catch up.
You mean all the shit made up after the fact?
KJV

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#162901 Apr 1, 2013
Mikko wrote:
Wikipedia isn't usefull as evidence (everyone can make changes)
So you would throw this out?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...

"A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.

Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.

Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.

According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...

According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."

Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population

While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...

Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:

The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%

persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,

In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:

In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! "

"Atheism is in decline."

“Darwin died for your sins”

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Nunya

#162902 Apr 1, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
The biographies of Hitler almost all point to his rejection of Christianity in favor of embracing DARWINISM.
"Hitler: A Study in Tyranny", by Alan Bullock:
“The basis of Hitler’s political beliefs was a crude Darwinism.” Its [Christianity's] teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.”
Where have I heard stuff like this lately?
Topix atheists?
So I wonder why he had all books by Darwin and about evolution burned?
KJV

United States

#162903 Apr 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>He was angered at the power of the church and what he called negative Christianity.. From your own link he wanted to promote what he called positive Christianity.... From your own link... Hitler much preferred the Protestant church over the Catholic Church and stated through him the Protestant church could become the established church as in England.

I guess when you cherry pick the parts you like you end up humiliating yourself again eh RR?

Go read your own link, like you Hitler became disillusioned with the Catholic Church and preferred Protestant churches.

Not exactly atheist.
"Was Hitler a Christian?

October 30, 1999

Dear Straight Dope:

In my numerous online debates in various chatrooms, I have learned the following: many Christians seem to think that Adolf Hitler was an atheist (or at least wasn't "Christian"). Of course I and my fellow atheists know better, as Hitler mentions his devotion to Christianity numerous times in his writings. Can you clear this up for me? Was Hitler an "honest to God" Christian, or was he simply using religion as a means of control?- Carl Stieger

The short answer is a definite "maybe" or, more precisely, "probably neither." The looooong answer is somewhat more complicated.

You are right that Hitler did mention Christianity many times in his writings. He paid Christianity a lot of lip service in Mein Kampf, and he claimed to be a Christian. But Hitler's secretary, Martin Bormann, also declared that "National Socialism [Nazism] and Christianity are irreconcilable" and Hitler didn't squawk too much about it. Similarly, Hermann Rauschning, a Hitler associate, said, "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In addition, Hitler declared Nazism the state religion and the Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.

First, let's look at what he said that seems to put him on the anti-Christian side:

According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said,'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'"

[further down, within the text:]

“... atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.(So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.”"

continued:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699...
KJV

United States

#162904 Apr 1, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Hitler's minister Bormann, sounding exactly like a Topix atheist:

"National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches."
"Hitler's minister Bormann, sounding exactly like a Topix atheist: "
LoL

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