Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

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#162764 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes best change the subject when you are unable to answer questions posed to you eh?
Keep dancing of us puppet.
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Far out...

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#162765 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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On the contrary, it is very common for people to feel the emotion of love when the object of their emotion has a completely different emotion. This is even more true of jealousy, when imagined trespasses are quite common. This shows the emotions are NOT caused by an exterior force, but are internally induced (although sometimes triggered by external events).
I'd even go so far as to say that people many people are 'in love' with partners that have little to do with the *actual* person. Instead, they are imagined entities conforming to some ideal that the real person would not recognize as being themselves. Now, this type of self-delusion probably decreases with experience, but I do think it is quite common. The phenomenon of 'putting someone on a pedestal' is a classic example.
Right, that's pretty much what I said. It's perfectly normal for a person to fall in love with another person without the other person's consent or even knowledge.

But there's still an external source.

Oooohhh, I hate the "putting someone on a pedestal" syndrome. And I agree with your take on it.

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#162766 Mar 28, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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It was probably your mythical Satan! that touched you.
How would you know?
You wouldn't. It may have been Quetzalcoatl.
You really can't say if it was or wasn't.
Ya, it also could've been the ghost of Henry Ford...

But it wasn't. It was God.

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#162768 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I doubt it.
Because you're not a freethinker, you're a slavethinker.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162769 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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If it was a long haired, white guy it was Jesus.
Unless, of course, Jesus really looked like a middle easterner.
LOL, I'll agree with ya there.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#162770 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, it also could've been the ghost of Henry Ford...
But it wasn't. It was God.
But you don't know that.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162771 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Because you're not a freethinker, you're a slavethinker.
What exactly am I a slave to?

You're the one that's hopelessly locked into a mindset that's thousands of years old with little or no tolerance for new or contradictory knowledge, no tolerance for doubt, no use for reason, and you say *I'm* a "slave thinker"?

Seriously?!

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#162772 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Agnostic atheist is an oxymoron.
A true atheist does not believe in the existence of deities. They just don't.
So how could someone that doesn't believe in the existence of deities also not "know for sure" if deities exist?
How is the term “agnostic atheist” an oxymoron?

Nothing in the rest of your post supports its first sentence.

The second sentence is precisely correct. An atheist does not believe in the existence of deities... and that's it. That's all that's required to be an atheist >>> A lack of belief that deities exist; Rejection of the theists' assertions that deities exist.

Agnostic means “without knowledge”(pertaining to the existence of deities).

Atheist means “without belief”(ditto).

As much as a person may shy away the label, if they don't believe at least one deity exists, then they ARE an atheist... no ifs, and, or buts about it. What they don't know has nothing to do with it and goes without saying... everyone's agnostic.

Your question isn't logically stated. Belief and knowledge are two different things. The latter can be considered a subset of the former. If someone knows something, then they must also have a belief about it. Conversely... they don't have to know something to have or not have a belief about it.

Like you...

You don't know there's a god... but, you believe one exists.

And me...

I don't know there isn't a god... but, I don't believe any exist.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#162773 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because I know.
How do you know when you're in love?
How do you know when you're jealous?
*shrugs*
You just do.
But go on, prove you love your mother.
I'll wait.
Both, love and jealousy, are demonstrable.

Your god isn't.

Mothers exist. Mothers are proof that mothers exist. Sons and daughters are proof that mothers exist.

You have no proof your god exists.

You are comparing your god to an emotion... and NOT to one capable of demonstrating an emotion >>> a mother or a son or a daughter.

It's a false analogy... and one that *doesn't* work in your favor.

B'cuz...

What you're saying is that your god is nothing but an emotion... a feeling.

And...

I *know* that isn't your intention.

Even though...

I wouldn't disagree.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#162774 Mar 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Both, love and jealousy, are demonstrable.
Your god isn't.
Mothers exist. Mothers are proof that mothers exist. Sons and daughters are proof that mothers exist.
You have no proof your god exists.
You are comparing your god to an emotion... and NOT to one capable of demonstrating an emotion >>> a mother or a son or a daughter.
It's a false analogy... and one that *doesn't* work in your favor.
B'cuz...
What you're saying is that your god is nothing but an emotion... a feeling.
And...
I *know* that isn't your intention.
Even though...
I wouldn't disagree.
But damaged goods like you, for your own good, need to pretend that your love mother loves you! HAHAHAAHAH!!!

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#162775 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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But damaged goods like you, for your own good, need to pretend that your love mother loves you! HAHAHAAHAH!!!

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#162776 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I understand.
But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.
I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.
I'm not a super spiritual kinda guy, I've never "spoken in tongues", I don't believe in ghosts or auras or karma...
None of that crap.
Why don't you believe in any of that "crap"?

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#162777 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, it also could've been the ghost of Henry Ford...
But it wasn't. It was God.
Could've been a ghost?

You said you don't believe in any of that crap.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#162778 Mar 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Could've been a ghost?
You said you don't believe in any of that crap.
And it could have been a ghost that loved you in a dream, not your mother.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#162779 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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And it could have been a ghost that loved you in a dream, not your mother.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#162781 Mar 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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Could've been a ghost?
You said you don't believe in any of that crap.
RiversideRedneck has said he believes in the supernatural.

That means that, within his mind he's opened the door for the possible existence of werewolves, witches, vampires, ghosts, golems, and all sorts of fanciful supernatural creatures, beings and entities.

Even leprechauns.

It matters not if he say he doesn't "believe" in those components of the "supernatural".

They're all part of it. The Jesus!, too.

I wonder if a werewolf bit the Jesus, if he'd turn into one...<ahem>..back when he was "alive"?~/

Hahahaa...these damn supernatural myths are funny.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#162782 Mar 28, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =B1q9PgU0CVwXX
When you were little, did you try to cheer your mother up with the radio and TV, but she still throwed stuff at you, beat you, rejected you, and still hated you?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#162783 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Hey cool.
The USS Voyager was an Intrepid class starship.
:)
And you are a space cadet..lol

Since: Mar 11

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#162784 Mar 28, 2013
Awwwww isn't that cute how I have stumped the chump an he has been reduced to this?

First Buck, then Dave now you. How I wish you Christians actually had the IQ to debate, sadly again and again we see you just can't.

Your failure is complete puppet, do keep dancing.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Far out...

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#162786 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I understand.
But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.
I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.
I'm not a super spiritual kinda guy, I've never "spoken in tongues", I don't believe in ghosts or auras or karma...
None of that crap.
You gotta be shittin me , you don't think I'm real? Aura is real, I even have a paint named after me.

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