Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Think&Care”

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#162737 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A hallucination is the perception of something not present.
I didn't hallucinate.
Look, ass, you don't have to believe me. But you should accept that want I'm saying is my perception.
It's obvious that I'll never convince you. It should be obvious to you that you'll never make me doubt.
So shut that cock holster you call a mouth.
Yes, and those who hallucinate have deeply moving experiences also. They are experiences of things that do not exist, though. You *claim* you didn't hallucinate, but that would be my default assumption if I experiences such things.

How do you convince someone who has hallucinated that what they experienced was a hallucination?

“Think&Care”

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#162738 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because I know.
How do you know when you're in love?
How do you know when you're jealous?
*shrugs*
You just do.
But go on, prove you love your mother.
I'll wait.
Love and jealousy are very different. They are *internal* experiences, not perceptions of *external* realities. You can have both emotions without there being any real external subject for them.

In the case of *internal* experiences, you can 'just know'. In the case of *external* reality, you cannot.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162739 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've answered those questions already, several times.
It's not my fault you don't pay attention.
I used to own a Dodge.

Since: Apr 09

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#162740 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.
WTF? You are so incredibly damaged...
Rush

Columbus, NE

#162741 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.
Yes, first day.
No, Nebraska GBR!
Actually, young love starts with being horney, and goes from there.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162742 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.
You love little boys?

Not surprising....

“Ditat Deus”

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#162743 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
No, and irrelevant. We know about protons and neutrons and that they can go together to form nuclei. The question in the periodic table is whether they can go together to make really big nuclei.
You like to argue that lack of *current* evidence of certain scientific phenomena is equivalent to the *permanent* lack of evidence of theological ideas. There is a HUGE difference. First of all, new evidence will come from areas we have not yet explored or been able to explore because of lack of technology. But anything detected is, by definition, physical. You, on the other hand, are claiming the existence of a non-physical which, again by definition, cannot have physical evidence. That means that it is impossible, even in theory to have evidence of your deity. You have even admitted as much.
I will admit that people have 'religious experiences'. There is actually a wide variety of such experiences produced in some fairly well-known situations. Read some William James some time if you want a more detailed investigation. The question isn't whether humans can experience this type of emotional upheaval. The question is whether there is a supernatural that in any way causes such experiences. THAT is the point you consistently avoid and that must be addresses before any mention of deities can even proceed.
I wasn't talking about physical evidence for my non-physical experience.

But you make sense.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162744 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, and those who hallucinate have deeply moving experiences also. They are experiences of things that do not exist, though. You *claim* you didn't hallucinate, but that would be my default assumption if I experiences such things.
How do you convince someone who has hallucinated that what they experienced was a hallucination?
I understand.

But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.

I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.

I'm not a super spiritual kinda guy, I've never "spoken in tongues", I don't believe in ghosts or auras or karma...

None of that crap.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162745 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Love and jealousy are very different. They are *internal* experiences, not perceptions of *external* realities. You can have both emotions without there being any real external subject for them.
In the case of *internal* experiences, you can 'just know'. In the case of *external* reality, you cannot.
I disagree.

They are internal experiences caused by an exterior force.

It's pretty hard to fall in love with nothing or be jealous of nothing.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162746 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I used to own a Dodge.
It was the Dodge Scapegoat, huh?

Figures....

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162747 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I understand.

But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.

I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.

I'm not a super spiritual kinda guy, I've never "spoken in tongues", I don't believe in ghosts or auras or karma...

None of that crap.
Anybody hallucinating would claim they were not.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162748 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It was the Dodge Scapegoat, huh?

Figures....
If you had been born on an island that had never encountered the bible or anyone familiar with it, would you still be able to experience the biblical god or Jesus?

“Ditat Deus”

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#162749 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Anybody hallucinating would claim they were not.
Not true.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162750 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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If you had been born on an island that had never encountered the bible or anyone familiar with it, would you still be able to experience the biblical god or Jesus?
Yes.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162751 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It was the Dodge Scapegoat, huh?

Figures....
Actually, it was an Intrepid.

Like me.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162752 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Actually, it was an Intrepid.
Like me.
Hey cool.

The USS Voyager was an Intrepid class starship.

:)
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#162753 Mar 28, 2013
Rush wrote:
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Yes, first day.
No, Nebraska GBR!
Actually, young love starts with being horney, and goes from there.
Obviously you must be pretty dumb to assume kids can fall in love. What gets me so angry is older people my age, or maybe older assuming that teenagers can fall in love.

And these same people in their late 50's or 60's also assume they were actually in love when they were kids. HA!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162754 Mar 28, 2013
Unable to answer my questions I see. Childish retorts is all you have left.

What made you think you could debate with your betters?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Super!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162755 Mar 28, 2013
Yes best change the subject when you are unable to answer questions posed to you eh?

Keep dancing of us puppet.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Hey cool.

The USS Voyager was an Intrepid class starship.

:)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#162756 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I disagree.
They are internal experiences caused by an exterior force.
It's pretty hard to fall in love with nothing or be jealous of nothing.
On the contrary, it is very common for people to feel the emotion of love when the object of their emotion has a completely different emotion. This is even more true of jealousy, when imagined trespasses are quite common. This shows the emotions are NOT caused by an exterior force, but are internally induced (although sometimes triggered by external events).

I'd even go so far as to say that people many people are 'in love' with partners that have little to do with the *actual* person. Instead, they are imagined entities conforming to some ideal that the real person would not recognize as being themselves. Now, this type of self-delusion probably decreases with experience, but I do think it is quite common. The phenomenon of 'putting someone on a pedestal' is a classic example.

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