Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#160932 Mar 17, 2013
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
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Let me clarify, they need to provide me a warrant before they can enter my buildings to tap a data line. I am part of global network operations, layers 1-3 we maintain the Titan switches, FW7500's, fibers, OC192's...
You the idiot, they already do you say they need a warrant? ha ha ha All that big brother eavesdropping on your conversations , and the chat goes right through them.
They have over 10,000 people working in 24 hours shifts , picking up on key words. They say they don't pay that much attention untill the program picks up one of the keys, then they track you to see if its any good(bad) stuff to sneakle in on.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/182504
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Redding, CA

#160933 Mar 17, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>You the idiot, they already do you say they need a warrant? ha ha ha All that big brother eavesdropping on your conversations , and the chat goes right through them.
They have over 10,000 people working in 24 hours shifts , picking up on key words. They say they don't pay that much attention untill the program picks up one of the keys, then they track you to see if its any good(bad) stuff to sneakle in on.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/182504
you know what a central office is?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#160934 Mar 17, 2013
Agnostic deals with knowledge of a god whereas atheist deals with actively believing in god. Hence a person can be both.

This really shouldn't need to be explained to you.... Again.

Gene could certainly be an anti theist on top of his agnostic atheism.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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An atheist and an agnostic are quite different, son.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#160935 Mar 17, 2013
Care to discuss it over a stack of foreclosed church deeds?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Sorry, ole chap, but Christianity is currently rising faster than the world's population.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_popu...

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#160936 Mar 17, 2013
Give RR about two weeks to ponder it and it may sink in. He is the same guy who screamed for weeks that Catholics aren't Christians. When I asked him what the largest Christian church is? He said, why the Catholics are the largest Christian church of course.....

And his IQ has only went down ever since.
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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You're a theist.
You're an agnostic.
That's my point.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#160937 Mar 18, 2013


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holography

Sigh.....

Man makes these. Man is made of these.

Or something like that.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#160938 Mar 18, 2013

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#160939 Mar 18, 2013

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160940 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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YAY...
Gawd, that only took three friggin days...
For you to understand it.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160941 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Warp drive would be awesome.
Of course I think there are black holes....
All I've stated is that we haven't detected one yet.
Because we haven't.
Wrong.

http://hubblesite.org/explore_astronomy/black...

You can admit your error now.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160942 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wrong.
Your very first sentence was "The speed of light is constant".
Which is wrong.
It's not wrong.

Incomplete, maybe, but not wrong.

Your statements, that the speed of light varies, are equally incomplete, so by your own admission they are also wrong.

Your statements that the speed of light varies, should read something like, depending on the medium, or when going from one medium to another.

When light is travelling in a single medium, its speed does not vary. It is only "c" in a vacuum, but its speed will be constant for each medium it travels in.

You can admit you were wrong now.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160943 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm not sure about those, so I'll take your word for it and concede.
I was also wrong when I wrote "c is not constant". What I meant to write is "the speed of light is not constant".
Congratulations.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160944 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Sorry, ole chap, but Christianity is currently rising faster than the world's population.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_popu...
Not in the U.S.

It is shrinking here while in underdeveloped and third world countries it is growing.

That is most likely due to lack of education and desperate poverty.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#160945 Mar 18, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
If the statement/question is rephrased, so that the material is of uniform density, temperature, and pressure (the three are related; a change in one requires a change in the others)... and consistent throughout... THEN would light's speed be constant through the material?
I should also point out that there are materials where the index of refraction depends on *direction* through the material. Or where the index of refraction is different for different polarities of light. Calcite is an example of the latter. That is why it can be used to separate polarities.

In other words, in addition to uniformity (properties are the same at all locations), you also need isotropy (conditions are the same in all directions). Water at constant density satisfies these properties, though.

Finally, E&M fields can affect the index of refraction, so you would also need a uniform E&M field in the material (before the light comes through). Although that could also be put into the uniformity and isotropy conditions.
Thanks for putting up with me.
It's appreciated.
No problem. It's nice to have someone who actually wants to learn.

Did those animations at the wiki site help at all? I particularly liked the one where the phase and group velocities were in opposite directions.

Another way to look at the difference is that phase velocity is how fast the peaks move in a 'carrier' of constant frequency and amplitude. Group (more specifically, signal) velocity is how fast *changes* in frequency or amplitude can move. Since we need to change the carrier wave to form a signal, it is the latter that is relevant for communication (and also the one limited by c).

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#160946 Mar 18, 2013
polarizations, not polarities. Aaack. It's way too early in the morning.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160947 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's awesome, but I have no idea what it means.
I gave up on math when they started putting letters in it :)
It is the formula for the increase in mass as it relates to velocity.

At very small percentages of c, the increase in mass is negligible and can be discounted.

At larger percentages of c, the increase is significant and AT c, the mass becomes infinite, which is impossible. That is why nothing with mass can travel faster than, or even equal to, c.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160948 Mar 18, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, but the speed of light *in a vacuum* does not. By convention, unless otherwise stated, the speed of light *means* the speed of light in a vacuum.
It is the speed of light in a vacuum that is c. So c is a constant. It is even an exact constant: 299,792,458 meters per second. This is contrary to your previous claims (post 160521).
Furthermore, the speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers. So, if you were moving at half the speed of light past me and I turned on a flashlight, you would see the beam from that flashlight catch up to you with a speed of c (assuming all is in a vacuum).
Can we try that by putting RR in a vacuum?

And I don't mean a Hoover.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#160949 Mar 18, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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I'm an atheist and an agnostic.
You're a theist and an agnostic.
What's your point.
I think RR is a gnostic theist, which is a logical absurdity.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#160950 Mar 18, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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I'll say it again, differently than how I said it before...
RR is more concerned winning an argument than he is with understanding the argument.
Your patience seems virtually limitless!
How do ya manage that?
I've been teaching at universities for over 30 years (and 27 as a professor). Patience comes with the job.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#160951 Mar 18, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
When light is travelling in a single medium, its speed does not vary. It is only "c" in a vacuum, but its speed will be constant for each medium it travels in.
There are some *strong* qualifications here. For light traveling through a medium, the speed will depend on the frequency of the light, the density of the medium, and for some materials the direction or the polarization of the light.

The dependence of the speed on frequency is part of why rainbows form.

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