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# Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#160884 Mar 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's the theory...
M = m/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
Where:-
M = Relativist Mass
m = Rest Mass
v = Velocity of body
c = Velocity of Light

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#160885 Mar 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So which would you use to determine how long it takes for light to get from the Andromeda spiral galaxy (approximately 2.5 million light years away) to us?
Approximately 2.5 million years.

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#160886 Mar 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So which would you use to determine how long it takes for light to get from the Andromeda spiral galaxy (approximately 2.5 million light years away) to us?
Sorry mate I could not resist.

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#160887 Mar 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Then what *is* the point in your mind?
Ugh....

You people can be very obtuse.

This has turned in to a three day conversation...

The point is simple; the speed of light varies.

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#160888 Mar 17, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
"c" is DEFINED as the speed of light in a vacuum.
The speed of light can vary.
"c" cannot.
YAY...

Gawd, that only took three friggin days...

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#160889 Mar 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
A non believer, no matter how hard you stamp your feet.
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/37887.htm...
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An atheist and an agnostic are quite different, son.

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#160890 Mar 17, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Possibly something like it.
Warp drives are a plausible possibility where we would compress the space in front of a ship and stretch it behind, but this would require enormous amounts of energy.
Maybe if we learn to harness the energy of black holes.
But then, you don't think there ARE black holes, do you?
Warp drive would be awesome.

Of course I think there are black holes....

All I've stated is that we haven't detected one yet.

Because we haven't.

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#160891 Mar 17, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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The very first sentence is correct.
What follows it is an explanation of why it's correct.
Which is why you won't address it.
Wrong.

Your very first sentence was "The speed of light is constant".

Which is wrong.

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#160892 Mar 17, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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when it was a state church everyone was forced to be a member of the state church so you can stop laughing
Norwegians have had freedom of religion since 1964, dude.

Nobody's forced into religion there, no more than in America.

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#160893 Mar 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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You were wrong when you said that the speed of light in water is a constant. In fact, it varies with frequency. You made the same mistake about the speed of light in paper.
I'm not sure about those, so I'll take your word for it and concede.

I was also wrong when I wrote "c is not constant". What I meant to write is "the speed of light is not constant".

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#160894 Mar 17, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
Which is faster through water... light toward the red end, or toward the blue end?
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Just setting a stage for ya.
Generally speaking, refractive index increases with frequency, so the speed will decrease with frequency: blue light is slower in water than red.

That said, it is possible to have the reverse effect near absorption lines in the spectrum. Because of a resonance phenomenon, the index of refraction can decrease with frequency in that situation. This is called anomalous dispersion.

It is also possible for the *phase* velocity to be greater than the speed of light in a vacuum. This happens in some cases of anomalous dispersion. It actually also happens with matter waves in QM. The *signal* velocity will be below the speed of light, though.

The wikipedia article on phase velocities has a nice animation that might help understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity

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#160895 Mar 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Tis not my fault thou art challenged by numbers.
1+1+1=1 has you befuddled.
I am not a atheist but a humanist.
I see zero evidence for any gods or rituals that support these deities.
Religion is in decline. The Internet will eventually become religions death rattle. Too much knowledge is available.
Get over it.
Rephrase your statements to include any term that relates to non belief. Atheist is too narrow a term for non believers. This is much like saying that Billy Graham represents the pinnacle of holiness and Christianity.
Put the wheels back on the trailer and travel to the big city. Book a tour of Scandinavia, then thou shalt learn of thy logic errors. ;)
They are quite irreligious!
Show them your bible for a extra chuckle ;)
Sorry, ole chap, but Christianity is currently rising faster than the world's population.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_popu...

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#160896 Mar 17, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
M = m/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
That's awesome, but I have no idea what it means.

I gave up on math when they started putting letters in it :)

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#160897 Mar 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ugh....
You people can be very obtuse.
This has turned in to a three day conversation...
The point is simple; the speed of light varies.
Yes, but the speed of light *in a vacuum* does not. By convention, unless otherwise stated, the speed of light *means* the speed of light in a vacuum.

It is the speed of light in a vacuum that is c. So c is a constant. It is even an exact constant: 299,792,458 meters per second. This is contrary to your previous claims (post 160521).

Furthermore, the speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers. So, if you were moving at half the speed of light past me and I turned on a flashlight, you would see the beam from that flashlight catch up to you with a speed of c (assuming all is in a vacuum).

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#160898 Mar 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm not sure about those, so I'll take your word for it and concede.
I was also wrong when I wrote "c is not constant". What I meant to write is "the speed of light is not constant".
Thank you. Nobody claimed otherwise.

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#160899 Mar 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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An atheist and an agnostic are quite different, son.
I'm an atheist and an agnostic.

You're a theist and an agnostic.

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#160900 Mar 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wrong.
Your very first sentence was "The speed of light is constant".
Which is wrong.

What are ya scared of?

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#160901 Mar 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm not sure about those, so I'll take your word for it and concede.
I was also wrong when I wrote "c is not constant". What I meant to write is "the speed of light is not constant".
Was that so difficult?

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#160902 Mar 17, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Generally speaking, refractive index increases with frequency, so the speed will decrease with frequency: blue light is slower in water than red.
That said, it is possible to have the reverse effect near absorption lines in the spectrum. Because of a resonance phenomenon, the index of refraction can decrease with frequency in that situation. This is called anomalous dispersion.
It is also possible for the *phase* velocity to be greater than the speed of light in a vacuum. This happens in some cases of anomalous dispersion. It actually also happens with matter waves in QM. The *signal* velocity will be below the speed of light, though.
The wikipedia article on phase velocities has a nice animation that might help understanding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity
Thank you.

Processing.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#160903 Mar 17, 2013
I already covered that I know this is the modern defn.

To the nearest doesn't exclude the case that is exact, btw.
polymath257 wrote:
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No, actually. That is exact because it is the current *definition* of the meter.

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