Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Lincoln

United States

#159658 Mar 12, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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The definition of God and His powers has always been the same.
Unproven
The Tao.
The universe divided between what can be proved and what can not.

Atheist contribution that God is unproven leaves them no other comment.:-)

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#159659 Mar 12, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Thats an interesting statement, anything beyond matter and energy probably doesn't exist.Why? Obviously something existed before the universe,which consists of matter and energy, what was it? The honest answer is no one knows, but logic says there was something.
Current thinking puts the creation of space/time in the event.
How could matter or energy exist in absence of time or space?
How can anything exist in absence of time?
There was no time for anything to exist in, before time.
So logic say's your assertion , makes no sense.
Unless you simply say , the universe has existed for all of time.

“Michin yeoja”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#159660 Mar 12, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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The Tao.
The universe divided between what can be proved and what can not.
Atheist contribution that God is unproven leaves them no other comment.:-)
It will be proved.

To what end? I can't say.

I'll spend my life proving to people that my skills as a surgeon trump your prayers. When I get a count of the instruments and dump my bloody gloves, you can thank God that I was there to save your daughter, wife or grandson.

I'll go home and kiss my girlfriend, God willing, of course.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159661 Mar 12, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>Michael Jackson is dead?

Really?
Yup.

Sorry for your loss.
Lincoln

United States

#159662 Mar 12, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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It will be proved.
To what end? I can't say.
I'll spend my life proving to people that my skills as a surgeon trump your prayers. When I get a count of the instruments and dump my bloody gloves, you can thank God that I was there to save your daughter, wife or grandson.
I'll go home and kiss my girlfriend, God willing, of course.
Quote from a film, whose name I forget..this speech on youtube
Soldiers saved in battle by fellow soldiers...
Interesting, again proves nothing

“Michin yeoja”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#159663 Mar 12, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Quote from a film, whose name I forget..this speech on youtube
Soldiers saved in battle by fellow soldiers...
Interesting, again proves nothing
Random thoughts from a random thinker?

Interesting, again proves nothing.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#159664 Mar 12, 2013
Imaginary friends are notorious like that.
River Tam wrote:
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The definition of God and His powers has always been the same.
Unproven

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#159665 Mar 12, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebb...
Its regretful that not always does everyone survive a bad situation.
But yes it it can be avoided, it should.
Sometimes the lesser of two evils is the right thing to do.
Killing innocent people can be avoided.

Read my above sentence carefully, I am talking about willfully killing people who have done nothing wrong, and saying it "can" be avoided. I did not say it is avoided, I did not say criminals, I did not say idiots who place themselves in danger willingly.
Lincoln

United States

#159666 Mar 12, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Killing innocent people can be avoided.
Read my above sentence carefully, I am talking about willfully killing people who have done nothing wrong, and saying it "can" be avoided. I did not say it is avoided, I did not say criminals, I did not say idiots who place themselves in danger willingly.
Thinking people understood you the first time.
Ethical behavior often takes thought
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#159667 Mar 12, 2013
If you want to practice your microsurgery technique, I'm sure you can use dollarsbill's ringpiece.

He says it's in a right old two and eight, like he's been sh!tting metal hexagons.
River Tam wrote:
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It will be proved.
To what end? I can't say.
I'll spend my life proving to people that my skills as a surgeon trump your prayers. When I get a count of the instruments and dump my bloody gloves, you can thank God that I was there to save your daughter, wife or grandson.
I'll go home and kiss my girlfriend, God willing, of course.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159668 Mar 12, 2013
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>If you want to practice your microsurgery technique, I'm sure you can use dollarsbill's ringpiece.

He says it's in a right old two and eight, like he's been sh!tting metal hexagons.
What?
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#159669 Mar 12, 2013
"right old two and eight" = "(terrible) state"

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/two_and_eight
Aerobatty wrote:
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What?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#159670 Mar 12, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Anything beyond matter and energy most probably does not exist. It is only imagined, much like your religious beliefs. I can't see oxygen or radio waves but science can prove they exist. Science can see the effects of things and know they exist. Dark matter can be detected by the effects it has on gravity. Gravity can't be seen but its effects are obvious.
We know the orbital period for Pluto even though we have NEVER witnessed one full orbit. I'm surprised at you for such a weak argument. Do better!!!!
I am surprised at your exceptionally simplistic understanding of physics.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159671 Mar 12, 2013
Dave shhhhh. It's a bit early for you to already be making a jackass out of yourself. Ease into your senile posts which will be proven wrong in short order okay?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am surprised at your exceptionally simplistic understanding of physics.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#159672 Mar 12, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Current thinking puts the creation of space/time in the event.
How could matter or energy exist in absence of time or space?
How can anything exist in absence of time?
There was no time for anything to exist in, before time.
So logic say's your assertion , makes no sense.
Unless you simply say , the universe has existed for all of time.
Time doesn't exist unless you can measure it. That requires motion, a change of relative position.

Our space/time began when we were set into motion. This created a clock for us to measure with that we can see. If there was time before then, it is on a clock on a wall we can't see,

Relativity covers a lot of territory.

A seed sprouted that grew into what we see now. An energized circuit. All we can see or detect physically is reactions to our directing some of the energy in observing. It bounces off and gives us feedback, so to speak. If something is not made of the same energy flow we won't see it, but perhaps detect it's effect on the space our energy is coursing. We are doing that now, but we use a model that is less than perfect. This model is no different than religions, and like religions, it too changes with the times.

Believing that this universe switched itself on, starting this energy flow all by itself is not science. It is religion. Such possibility can never be proved in this environment due to the energy that is flowing, creating cause and effect. Too vigorous an environment to test in, so instead of an entity called a god, something in a form we can relate to, imagination runs wild using numbers as an entity, and probabilities becomes the supreme being.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#159673 Mar 12, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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The Tao.
The universe divided between what can be proved and what can not.
Atheist contribution that God is unproven leaves them no other comment.:-)
What can be proven, exists. What cannot be proven, is only imagined.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#159674 Mar 12, 2013
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/tft-guide...

This is how your digital monitor works. How it comes "alive".

This was created by men. By harnessing forces and laws that have always existed for a purpose.

It is all a flow of energy with energies arranged to impede it, giving the appearance of form and motion. Oh, the energies wrapped up doing the impeding feel the forces and react to them. They have their own little realities, but can't see the big picture. Their little worlds are in 3D.

Welcome to existence.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159675 Mar 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Then your virtual particles and random nuclear decay prove magic or another dimension this one is part of.
No, they do not.
Those virtual particles have to be in this space. Long ways out to the edge of the universe, eh?
Thank you for your contribution. Confused as it is.
Well, someone here is definitely confused.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#159676 Mar 12, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Thats an interesting statement, anything beyond matter and energy probably doesn't exist.Why? Obviously something existed before the universe,which consists of matter and energy, what was it? The honest answer is no one knows, but logic says there was something.
NO, it is NOT obvious that something existed before the universe. The universe consists of space and time, time is an entity, if there was no space or time before the universe existed then there was no time. To make a statement about a "beginning" when there was NO time,becomes meaningless.

The universe may have always existed, the BB a local event, a Multi-univese concept. Hawking speculated that the universe has no boundaries, no edges, is infinite, therefore the concept of a beginning is also pointless. Neil Turok has some interesting thoughts on the muli-universe theory and the cause for the BB. Or we can simply say, a mythical being snapped his fingers and the universe magically appeared.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159677 Mar 12, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Thats an interesting statement, anything beyond matter and energy probably doesn't exist.Why? Obviously something existed before the universe,which consists of matter and energy, what was it? The honest answer is no one knows, but logic says there was something.
Why do you think that something existed before the universe? Remember that time is *part* of the universe, so the beginning of the universe is also the beginning of time. So you are claiming that there is 'obviously' something before the beginning of time?

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