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“Ditat Deus”

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#159554 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2 013/03/11/iran-puts-five-chris tians-on-trial-for-their-faith /
Hmmm, sounds like what Topix atheists want to do.
"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries."

-Obama, Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#159556 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you carry him in your heart, NOPE or do you think he was just a sucker for saving your nasty ass? HE IS A MYTH
The story of Jesus was liberating man from his physical self to a higher existence and eternal life. A seed that sprouts into a new world. COPIED COPIOUSLY FROM MITHRAS
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristiani...
MITHRAS = CHRISTIANITY?
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).
Liberation from the tyranny of man, which included those who did it under the name of religious doctrine. It was the religious order that had him killed. TRUE
You are gonna die anyhow, right? Live in fear of losing your life, or know you can die and they won't run your life any more. It's a religion of free men, because their spirits are free.
YOU FELL IN THE TOWER OF BABBLE AGAIN
LMFAO!

A Pagan website?!? That's your "source"???

Did you bother to check on when Mithraism was? No?

'twas after Jesus, after Christianity. In the 2nd & 3rd century AD. And it was just a Greco-Roman paganist cult.

Maybe a copy?

Naaaaaawww......

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159557 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you carry him in your heart, NOPE or do you think he was just a sucker for saving your nasty ass? HE IS A MYTH
The story of Jesus was liberating man from his physical self to a higher existence and eternal life. A seed that sprouts into a new world. COPIED COPIOUSLY FROM MITHRAS
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristiani...
MITHRAS = CHRISTIANITY?
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).
Liberation from the tyranny of man, which included those who did it under the name of religious doctrine. It was the religious order that had him killed. TRUE
You are gonna die anyhow, right? Live in fear of losing your life, or know you can die and they won't run your life any more. It's a religion of free men, because their spirits are free.
YOU FELL IN THE TOWER OF BABBLE AGAIN
Amusing.

You get so passionate about this.

I read the stories and understand the meanings. Doesn't mean I become a follower or adherent to a religion. Just lends to an understanding of a larger process you can't even comprehend.

I am really a kind of dispassionate observer. Seriously.

Get in touch with yourself and you may be less reactive.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159558 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFAO!
A Pagan website?!? That's your "source"???
Did you bother to check on when Mithraism was? No?
'twas after Jesus, after Christianity. In the 2nd & 3rd century AD. And it was just a Greco-Roman paganist cult.
Maybe a copy?
Naaaaaawww......
Here is an interesting article on Mithras and Jesus. They seem to have been in parallel.

http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html

As it is, I don't go by the records or accounts of events, but by the messages in them.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#159559 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFAO!
A Pagan website?!? That's your "source"???
Did you bother to check on when Mithraism was? No?
'twas after Jesus, after Christianity. In the 2nd & 3rd century AD. And it was just a Greco-Roman paganist cult.
Maybe a copy?
Naaaaaawww......
I have checked the information there, it is valid.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#159560 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You would like to think so.
Marriage was only between men and women when the Constitution was written. Period. No expectation it would ever be anything else.
That's true. And when the Constitution was drafted, we also had slavery. Times change.
Marriage laws are up to the individual states.
Also correct.
There is no Constitutional right to same sex marriage on the Federal level.
There is neither a Constitutional right or specific exclusion. There is just marriage. Which already includes gay people in several states, and will almost certainly include more in more states.
Just like gays, coming in the back door to get what they want. Even if they have to pervert the Constitution. Again, you would have to pervert the 14th amendment to even get a foot in the door on that one.
LOL! Laws change all the time Dave. Even the Constitution get's reinterpreted and amended. Take a history lesson sometime.

And BTW, gay people didn't change any legislation by themselves. Many, many straight people saw the justice in their cause and backed them up.

So anyway, back to my original question: were your marriages arranged, Mr. Originalist? LOL!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#159561 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no perspective on reality outside that you created for yourself. And try to share with others.
BWAHAHAHAHAH!

*snort*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159562 Mar 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I have checked the information there, it is valid.
Oh...

You checked it...

Well then.

Of course it's valid, but it was all written AFTER the stories of Jesus were written.

It's a copy. Just as much as Islam is.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159563 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is an interesting article on Mithras and Jesus. They seem to have been in parallel.
http://www.viewzone.com/mithras.html
As it is, I don't go by the records or accounts of events, but by the messages in them.
Interesting.

That these atheists think that because Christianity took over pagan holiday dates to squash them out, that means they're copies of the same pagan holiday.

Ugh.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159564 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
But his influence is still felt far and wide.
Can't say the same for your great grandparents.
Or my grandparents.

Of course, nobody was ever burned at the stake for not listening to them.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159565 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Your welcome.

He's still dead.

So is Michael Jackson.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#159566 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh...
You checked it...
Well then.
Of course it's valid, but it was all written AFTER the stories of Jesus were written.
It's a copy. Just as much as Islam is.
Um, first of all, "checked" in your world must mean "read," yes I did read it, I also verified the information by crosschecking with other sources, that's what "checking it" means in the real world.

Second, nope, all of them were written long before your Jesus myth was even considered for being written.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#159567 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFAO!
A Pagan website?!? That's your "source"???
Did you bother to check on when Mithraism was? No?
'twas after Jesus, after Christianity. In the 2nd & 3rd century AD. And it was just a Greco-Roman paganist cult.
Maybe a copy?
Naaaaaawww......
Wow!

Whenever I think you might have one working brain cell you fall into the abyss of ignorance again.

It is you that failed to check on MITHRAS.
FAITH has corrupted your mind. Facts are abandoned for fantasy.

How about I throw more facts at you. Google them!

I have nothing to hide... why are you hiding from the truth?

Mithraism hit Rome in the first century BC as the Mithraic cult fled Persia. Here it flourished as the Sun God Natalis Solis Invicti. The leader of this religion ruled from what is now Vatican hill, which is a place previously sacred to Mithras. This male leader was called Papa (which is how we get the word “Pope”). Books in honor of Mithras were called “Helio Biblia,” which translates to us as either “Sun Book” or “Holy Bible.”

But hang on!

Before Mithras there was Krishna in India, circa 1200 BC. Krishna was born of the Virgin Mother Devaki after being visited by spirits to announce the impending birth of an immaculately conceived child who is God’s Sun and the “son of God.” His birth was attended by wise men, as well as shepherds. Krishna was presented at birth with frankincense, myrrh, and gold. Krishna worked miracles, restored sight, cast out devils, and raised the dead.

Many hundreds of years before both Mithras AND Jesus, Krishna was baptised in the River Ganges, crucified between two thieves, died, buried, and resurrected in three days and worshipped as the “saviour of men.” He proclaimed himself the “Resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”

He was said to be without sin, of royal descent, and raised by a human father that was ... a carpenter. He preached of a great and final day of judgment and used parables to teach the people about charity and love. In death he stood transfigured in front of his disciples. Krishna was called the ”Shepherd God”,“Lord of lords”,“the Redeemer,” and the “Universal Word.” He was considered,“Alpha and Omega” as well as being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.

He was prophesised to return to battle evil forces in a second coming. His disciples bestowed on him a word that means “pure essence.” That word is “Jezeus.”

But, oh no! That’s not all!

Thousands of years before Krishna, Mithras, and Jesus is the sun god Horus.

Horus goes back to Egypt circa 3000 BC. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis. Horus taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptised when he was 30 years old by “Anup the Baptiser.”

Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.

Horus was known as “the Way,”“the Fisher,”“the Truth,”“the Light,”“God’s Anointed Son,”“the Son of Man,”“the Good Shepherd,”“the Lamb of God,” and “the Word.” He was also was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”(It is worth noting here that Christos means anointed in Greek.)

There was a trinity with Horus: Atum the Father and Ra the Holy Spirit. Add Horus and we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In the later years of Horus, he had 12 disciples known as Har-Khuttie. Horus had an enemy (originally this was also the dark side of Horus, or his other face).

This evil enemy was “Set” or “Sata.” Horus struggles with Sata for 40 days in the wilderness. Some claim that this myth represents the triumph of light over dark. This triumph is most noted on December 25.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#159568 Mar 11, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
Your welcome.
He's still dead.
So is Michael Jackson.
How do you know that Jesus is "still dead"?

Are you too arrogant to admit that is your opinion?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#159569 Mar 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, first of all, "checked" in your world must mean "read," yes I did read it, I also verified the information by crosschecking with other sources, that's what "checking it" means in the real world.
Second, nope, all of them were written long before your Jesus myth was even considered for being written.
Keep... Oh shit, what do you call it?

...

Reading!

Keep reading!

"Mithraism is frequently said to have been a great rival to early Christianity, especially in popular books written by non-specialists. According to most academic sources, however, the archaeological evidence does not support this claim."

www.religionfacts.com/greco-roman/sects/mithr...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159570 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!
Whenever I think you might have one working brain cell you fall into the abyss of ignorance again.
It is you that failed to check on MITHRAS.
FAITH has corrupted your mind. Facts are abandoned for fantasy.
How about I throw more facts at you. Google them!
I have nothing to hide... why are you hiding from the truth?
Mithraism hit Rome in the first century BC as the Mithraic cult fled Persia. Here it flourished as the Sun God Natalis Solis Invicti. The leader of this religion ruled from what is now Vatican hill, which is a place previously sacred to Mithras. This male leader was called Papa (which is how we get the word “Pope”). Books in honor of Mithras were called “Helio Biblia,” which translates to us as either “Sun Book” or “Holy Bible.”
But hang on!
Before Mithras there was Krishna in India, circa 1200 BC. Krishna was born of the Virgin Mother Devaki after being visited by spirits to announce the impending birth of an immaculately conceived child who is God’s Sun and the “son of God.” His birth was attended by wise men, as well as shepherds. Krishna was presented at birth with frankincense, myrrh, and gold. Krishna worked miracles, restored sight, cast out devils, and raised the dead.
Many hundreds of years before both Mithras AND Jesus, Krishna was baptised in the River Ganges, crucified between two thieves, died, buried, and resurrected in three days and worshipped as the “saviour of men.” He proclaimed himself the “Resurrection” and the “way to the Father.”
He was said to be without sin, of royal descent, and raised by a human father that was ... a carpenter. He preached of a great and final day of judgment and used parables to teach the people about charity and love. In death he stood transfigured in front of his disciples. Krishna was called the ”Shepherd God”,“Lord of lords”,“the Redeemer,” and the “Universal Word.” He was considered,“Alpha and Omega” as well as being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.
He was prophesised to return to battle evil forces in a second coming. His disciples bestowed on him a word that means “pure essence.” That word is “Jezeus.”
But, oh no! That’s not all!
Thousands of years before Krishna, Mithras, and Jesus is the sun god Horus.
Horus goes back to Egypt circa 3000 BC. Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis. Horus taught in the temple when he was a child. He was baptised when he was 30 years old by “Anup the Baptiser.”
Horus performed miracles and raised a man named El-Azar-us, from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.
Horus was known as “the Way,”“the Fisher,”“the Truth,”“the Light,”“God’s Anointed Son,”“the Son of Man,”“the Good Shepherd,”“the Lamb of God,” and “the Word.” He was also was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”(It is worth noting here that Christos means anointed in Greek.)
There was a trinity with Horus: Atum the Father and Ra the Holy Spirit. Add Horus and we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In the later years of Horus, he had 12 disciples known as Har-Khuttie. Horus had an enemy (originally this was also the dark side of Horus, or his other face).
This evil enemy was “Set” or “Sata.” Horus struggles with Sata for 40 days in the wilderness. Some claim that this myth represents the triumph of light over dark. This triumph is most noted on December 25.
Neat.

Did you get all that from evilbible.com or something? Or did you pull it out of your ass?(same thing)
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#159571 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amusing.
You get so passionate about this.
I read the stories and understand the meanings. Doesn't mean I become a follower or adherent to a religion. Just lends to an understanding of a larger process you can't even comprehend.
I am really a kind of dispassionate observer. Seriously.
Get in touch with yourself and you may be less reactive.
Mocking you're inane posts is a pleasure David. ;)

I am passionate about life and fascinated with religious loony tunes - especially the ones that haunt atheist forums.

They are unintentionally hilarious and worthy of a good belly laugh at times.

I must consult my BuyBull for inspiration :)

Child Abuse?
"Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!"
-- Psalm 137.9.

Did Jesus lie or was it John?
" Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father."
--John 14.12

Ignorant or lying angel?
"The Lord God shall give him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end." – Luke 1.32.33.
Hmm. Did Jesus ever get to reign over the house of Jacob?

Obedient slaves are righteous
"Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves ... obedience leads to righteousness?"
– Romans 6.16.

Simple-minded
"I am jealous over you ... I fear your minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
– 2 Corinthians 11.2-3.
"I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create EVIL. I the LORD do all these things."
– Isaiah 45.7.

Puerile God
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces."
– Malachi 2.2,3.

Making "every thought captive."
"For the weapons of our warfare are casting down imaginations ... and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
– St Paul, 2 Corinthians 10.4,5.

The cost to humanity of fifteen centuries of Christian savagery – of hundreds of millions of lives brutalised and truncated, sacrificed to war, torture, pogrom, burning, pestilence and plague – is incalculable.

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159572 Mar 11, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Mocking you're inane posts is a pleasure David. ;)
I am passionate about life and fascinated with religious loony tunes - especially the ones that haunt atheist forums.
They are unintentionally hilarious and worthy of a good belly laugh at times.
I must consult my BuyBull for inspiration :)
Child Abuse?
"Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!"

{edit}

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.
When read by ignorant morons like you, yes.

It's people like you that misread the Bible. It's people like you that started the Crusades.

Study the Bible, son. Don't just read it.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#159573 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know that Jesus is "still dead"?
Are you too arrogant to admit that is your opinion?
Define: dead

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#159574 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep... Oh shit, what do you call it?
...
Reading!
Keep reading!
"Mithraism is frequently said to have been a great rival to early Christianity, especially in popular books written by non-specialists. According to most academic sources, however, the archaeological evidence does not support this claim."
www.religionfacts.com/greco-roman/sects/mithr...
That doesn't mean "it was written after" ... does it?

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