Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159528 Mar 11, 2013

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159529 Mar 11, 2013
And Adam and certainly his all night wrestling match ahem with Jacob!

So in other words I was right but it took a while for it to sink through?

You are rather slow but we are used to it. Meh you are here for our amusement.

Dance for us puppet dance!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"human like form" would be appropriate. Which isn't to say that is God's form, not at all. God appeared in a human like form so Abram would understand.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159531 Mar 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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It has been found that it does, but it in it self is probabilistic.
But it's counter intuitive , you would think the effect would speed up decay. but it turns out to slow it.
The thing is decay was thought to be random, but a fixed rate.
Turns out it is random and at a random variable rate.
But it's only a small factor. And seems this effect stems from the suns core. This was found because they thought they could generate large strings of random numbers by counting radioactive decay, and stumbled on this accidentally. The funny thing is the decay slows before the actual solar eruption, it's another inexplicable mystery of the sun.
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/...
Not if you consider the constant gravitational and EM links between the earth and sun that vary in intensity due to tangential motion of gravity and strength of EM fields. The gravity is a big one. The relative strength of the field is affected by varying densities in mass within the sun and earth and the revolution of both. You have fluctuating fields, however insignificant you may think they are. Do realize some of those differentials in the sun can be much larger than the earth.

Plus the effects of planets and such on the barycenter of the earth/sun, which also constantly changes in reaction to those changes.

It's a very complicated game of tug of war on mass of all particpants. Not really static enough for math headed geeks to get a grip on. Hence the probabilistic and virtual particles.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#159532 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, I can't answer those 4 questions. Neither can you.
But I do understand your "critical thinker" standpoint of God is a magic man. That's the only way you can understand Him.
I feel sorry for you.
My understanding comes from reality, what else is there? You prove my point over and over again, your God is something only imagined. You can say NOTHING about what he/it/she is, only what it isn't. This.....thing, reached out and touched you on the head, you should have at least a vague idea of what it is. Or did you only IMAGINE that this thing touched you. Of course you're totally convinced the experience was real, but the mental institutions are FULL of people who truly believe all kinds of things. "There's a creature that lives in my closet and every night it comes out and touches me on the head." You're off to a mental institution. "A being for which there is so physical evidence for reached out and touched me on the head." You're just another Christian, see the double standard here? Total insanity that takes place under the banner of religion is somehow accepted. Of course its accepted only by those of religion, the rest of us see it for what it is, total delusional insanity. And I alway feel intense pity for those stricken with that dreaded mental illness DELUSIONAL DISORDER.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159533 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You're ignorantly under the assumption that I worship my brother, dad and mom...

The empty cross reminds Christians of the resurrection. The cross reperesents the sacrifice Jesus made for mankind.

It's your foolish atheist brain telling you that Jesus' death is just the same as any ol' human death. It's not.
Yes it is.

Jesus, if he existed at all, is still dead.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159534 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>"human like form" would be appropriate. Which isn't to say that is God's form, not at all. God appeared in a human like form so Abram would understand.
Is that the latest rationalization?

Funny how the rationalizations grow in direct proportion to our understanding of reality.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159535 Mar 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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It has been found that it does, but it in it self is probabilistic.
But it's counter intuitive , you would think the effect would speed up decay. but it turns out to slow it.
The thing is decay was thought to be random, but a fixed rate.
Turns out it is random and at a random variable rate.
But it's only a small factor. And seems this effect stems from the suns core. This was found because they thought they could generate large strings of random numbers by counting radioactive decay, and stumbled on this accidentally. The funny thing is the decay slows before the actual solar eruption, it's another inexplicable mystery of the sun.
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/...
As pointed out in the article, it is probably due to interaction with neutrinos from the sun. This is supported by the particular isotopes of Cl used. It is the specific isotope that is used to detect electron neutrinos.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159536 Mar 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>My understanding comes from reality, what else is there? You prove my point over and over again, your God is something only imagined. You can say NOTHING about what he/it/she is, only what it isn't. This.....thing, reached out and touched you on the head, you should have at least a vague idea of what it is. Or did you only IMAGINE that this thing touched you. Of course you're totally convinced the experience was real, but the mental institutions are FULL of people who truly believe all kinds of things. "There's a creature that lives in my closet and every night it comes out and touches me on the head." You're off to a mental institution. "A being for which there is so physical evidence for reached out and touched me on the head." You're just another Christian, see the double standard here? Total insanity that takes place under the banner of religion is somehow accepted. Of course its accepted only by those of religion, the rest of us see it for what it is, total delusional insanity. And I alway feel intense pity for those stricken with that dreaded mental illness DELUSIONAL DISORDER.
Nice rant.

Would your unshakable belief that you are actually worth something in the larger scheme of things be under the classification of DELUSIONAL DISORDER?

I didn't think so. The thought would never enter your head.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159537 Mar 11, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yes it is.
Jesus, if he existed at all, is still dead.
But his influence is still felt far and wide.

Can't say the same for your great grandparents.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159538 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P roton
Look at this crap. Neverending looped thinking and reference to this field and that field and tons and tons of words. Very easy to get confused.
Yes, you are clearly confused.
Protons, nuetrons, quarks, electrons, all interchangeable to some degree under the right conditions.
Wrong.
This reduction to those fundamental particles is the basis of quantum physics, which is greatly inhibited in its potential because it deals with the existing model and all of those "particles", fields, and other bandaids applied to the standard model of particles.
Too bad for you we actually detect and measure the properties of those particles.
These particles are part of a process, not pre-existing "solid particles" as building blocks.
it's a confused mess.
Well,*someone* is a confused mess.
If you want this quantum physics to really work,
But it *does* work. That is the whole point.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159540 Mar 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, you are clearly confused.
<quoted text>
Wrong.
<quoted text>
Too bad for you we actually detect and measure the properties of those particles.
<quoted text>
Well,*someone* is a confused mess.
<quoted text>
But it *does* work. That is the whole point.
Then your virtual particles and random nuclear decay prove magic or another dimension this one is part of. Those virtual particles have to be in this space. Long ways out to the edge of the universe, eh?

Thank you for your contribution. Confused as it is.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159541 Mar 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>My understanding comes from reality, what else is there? You prove my point over and over again, your God is something only imagined. You can say NOTHING about what he/it/she is, only what it isn't. This.....thing, reached out and touched you on the head, you should have at least a vague idea of what it is. Or did you only IMAGINE that this thing touched you. Of course you're totally convinced the experience was real, but the mental institutions are FULL of people who truly believe all kinds of things. "There's a creature that lives in my closet and every night it comes out and touches me on the head." You're off to a mental institution. "A being for which there is so physical evidence for reached out and touched me on the head." You're just another Christian, see the double standard here? Total insanity that takes place under the banner of religion is somehow accepted. Of course its accepted only by those of religion, the rest of us see it for what it is, total delusional insanity. And I alway feel intense pity for those stricken with that dreaded mental illness DELUSIONAL DISORDER.
Your delusional disorder tells you that you know all about reality.

Isn't you that said "if science can't detect it, it doesn't exist"??

LMAO!!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159542 Mar 11, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is.
Jesus, if he existed at all, is still dead.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159543 Mar 11, 2013
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/0...

Interesting.

There's a shelf life of that stuff, too. Need to use it before it gets old and you have to dispose of it, according to EPA regulations.

1.6 billion rounds of ammo. For one department. Wow!!! Hope it is all American made.

Maybe those libs are preparing for an invasion from ETs they aren't telling you about?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159544 Mar 11, 2013
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/11/iran-...

Hmmm, sounds like what Topix atheists want to do.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#159545 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Nice rant.
Would your unshakable belief that you are actually worth something in the larger scheme of things be under the classification of DELUSIONAL DISORDER?
I didn't think so. The thought would never enter your head.
You really don't see the difference do you. My worth is not up to me, but to others. There are many who believe that my worth is high. The people who hire me to play and arrange, the people who offer me commissions, they are the ones who gauge my worth. And from the amount of work that I do, can only assume that my worth is great.

This does seem to be a reoccurring theme for you, self-worth. On more than one occasion you seem to be projecting your failure to be worth anything to anyone. It would appear that your accomplishments have been unimportant and your contributions in any way have been barren. I do think I detect some hidden jealousy.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159546 Mar 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't see the difference do you. My worth is not up to me, but to others. There are many who believe that my worth is high. The people who hire me to play and arrange, the people who offer me commissions, they are the ones who gauge my worth. And from the amount of work that I do, can only assume that my worth is great.
This does seem to be a reoccurring theme for you, self-worth. On more than one occasion you seem to be projecting your failure to be worth anything to anyone. It would appear that your accomplishments have been unimportant and your contributions in any way have been barren. I do think I detect some hidden jealousy.
No jealousy, just some amusement at your logic.

The story of Jesus has proven to be worth much more to mankind than your musical abilities, or demand for such. Whether it is true or not.

May I also point out that many, many, many10^? have even given their lives for this you call a mythical character, which I am pretty sure is more than have died to hear your music, or from hearing it.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#159547 Mar 11, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're ignorantly under the assumption that I worship my brother, dad and mom...
The empty cross reminds Christians of the resurrection. The cross reperesents the sacrifice Jesus made for mankind.
It's your foolish atheist brain telling you that Jesus' death is just the same as any ol' human death. It's not.
What sacrifice are you speaking of? Jesus made a sacrifice for mankind? really?.....hummmm. How can we get by the fact that if this BS actually happened, Christ NEVER really died, now did he!!! He rose from the dead and became a God thing, how is that a sacrifice?

Your own Christian doctrine declares Jesus as part of the holy trinity...the father the son and the holy spirit, all three are said to be one, yet separate....more religious voodoo. All parties involved KNEW that Jesus would never really die, as they can all see the future. Even if you just want to talk about God sacrificing his son, you have to realize that GOD KNEW Jesus would never truly die and that he would ascent into heaven and become a God. Offer me the same deal and I'd jump at it......"Hey your going to go through some really bad torture, and die a slow death, BUT....You will rise up from the dead and continue your existence, and not only that,,,,you get to live forever and be a God!!" Holy...shit...sign me up!!!

This should go down as histories biggest hoax and you poor slobs bought into it hook, line and sinker....ha ha ha ha pitiful, really pitiful.

I have a very good friend in Nam, he made a sacrifice, he actually died so that myself and other could live. Guess what.....HE STAYED DEAD, he didn't get to rise up out of the grave and continue his life, his was a real sacrifice, not like the cruel joke God played on all you poor dopes.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#159548 Mar 11, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
You really don't see the difference do you. My worth is not up to me, but to others. There are many who believe that my worth is high. The people who hire me to play and arrange, the people who offer me commissions, they are the ones who gauge my worth. And from the amount of work that I do, can only assume that my worth is great.
8 references to your greatness in one little post...

LOL
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#159549 Mar 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
No jealousy, just some amusement at your logic.
The story of Jesus has proven to be worth much more to mankind than your musical abilities, or demand for such. Whether it is true or not.
May I also point out that many, many, many10^? have even given their lives for this you call a mythical character, which I am pretty sure is more than have died to hear your music, or from hearing it.
Of course it worth more to those who share your delusions, for others, like myself it mean nothing. You continue with your very strange criteria comparing my music to people dying for Jesus, WTF is that all about. A lot of people died needlessly for jesus as in those who followed David Karesh, and Jim Jones, and countless other nutballs.

The story of Jesus has done nothing but retard man kinds progress for centuries. Thats exactly what happens to people when thy believe things without evidence.

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