Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#159359 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>We've been telling the fundies that for years.
Somehow they can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept.
You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.

You have to have faith in what you know is the truth of all things to base that non-belief on. Look around you. There is not a man-made device or organic creature that wasn't created by some process with a design that they assembled from.

Topix atheists can't wrap their heads around that.

Of course, they can just be confusing a belief in a creator in a man made organized view as the same as an absolute unknowable creative force that made their magical poof into existence possible. Perhaps they don't know what they believe in or not believe in.

They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159360 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.
You have to have faith in what you know is the truth of all things to base that non-belief on. Look around you. There is not a man-made device or organic creature that wasn't created by some process with a design that they assembled from.
Topix atheists can't wrap their heads around that.
Of course, they can just be confusing a belief in a creator in a man made organized view as the same as an absolute unknowable creative force that made their magical poof into existence possible. Perhaps they don't know what they believe in or not believe in.
They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

There is no magical or poof, that made our existence possible.
Unless you are calling about 2 million years of evolution a poof or magical. There was no instant gratification by creation.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#159361 Mar 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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"Atheist-bot" does not like the "fundies" :-)
Enjoy your use of the plural - "We've been telling the..."
Who is we?
You have a tapeworm perhaps?
No.

But I can think of a coupla atheists on here who've been doing it longer'n I have.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#159362 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.
You have to have faith in what you know is the truth of all things to base that non-belief on. Look around you. There is not a man-made device or organic creature that wasn't created by some process with a design that they assembled from.
Topix atheists can't wrap their heads around that.
Of course, they can just be confusing a belief in a creator in a man made organized view as the same as an absolute unknowable creative force that made their magical poof into existence possible. Perhaps they don't know what they believe in or not believe in.
They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Nope, again.

Absent compelling evidence, there's no reason to believe in a deity.

See how easy?

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#159363 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, again.
Absent compelling evidence, there's no reason to believe in a deity.
See how easy?
Oh, yes, very easy.

Ostriches do the same thing.

Of course, looking around and seeing design, as in plans that are followed, EVERYWHERE in our existence is compelling evidence that there was no creation in our design, however remote it may be from direct view.

Yes, it truly takes the intelligence of a Topix atheist to comprehend such things.

“cdesign proponentsists”

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#159364 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.
Your mother should have had you tested.

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#159365 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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There is no magical or poof, that made our existence possible.
Unless you are calling about 2 million years of evolution a poof or magical. There was no instant gratification by creation.
Didn't say there was. Slow growth is more likely. Like from a seed.

Now, how did this VERY sudden existence, what, down to less than 10^-34 second, that you believe in occur? Wow, must have really startled the human scientists witnessing that.

“I see quantum effects”

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In the macro world.

#159366 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, yes, very easy.

Ostriches do the same thing.

Of course, looking around and seeing design, as in plans that are followed, EVERYWHERE in our existence is compelling evidence that there was no creation in our design, however remote it may be from direct view.

Yes, it truly takes the intelligence of a Topix atheist to comprehend such things.
What plans?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#159367 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oh, yes, very easy.
Ostriches do the same thing.
Of course, looking around and seeing design, as in plans that are followed, EVERYWHERE in our existence is compelling evidence that there was no creation in our design, however remote it may be from direct view.
Yes, it truly takes the intelligence of a Topix atheist to comprehend such things.
Yet again, no.

Although if you really are seeing all that, it's fair evidence of monomania.

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Long Beach, CA

#159368 Mar 10, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Well done, Pastor Catcher.
I would curtsy but..you know.
Thank you.

The inspiration came from the Jesus thread, discussions of souls leaving the body and all that stuff.

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#159369 Mar 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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What plans?
DNA and such for biological, and schematics and such for the stuff we do?

Of course, rocks and thingies like that did assemble by specific processes.

Oh, you thought it was all by magic!!

Of course you would.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159370 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Didn't say there was. Slow growth is more likely. Like from a seed.
Now, how did this VERY sudden existence, what, down to less than 10^-34 second, that you believe in occur? Wow, must have really startled the human scientists witnessing that.
An invisible wizard caused it, would be your answer.
I will say IDK but have seen no evidence of invisible wizards.
Kinda circular this argument is.
So when I see one, you can say I told you so.
So to make it interesting, hold your breath till I see one.

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#159371 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Yet again, no.
Although if you really are seeing all that, it's fair evidence of monomania.
You are dense.

Find me one material thing that does not follow some sort of organization. One that does not obey a greater force directing it and causing it to combine or repel or stay separate.

Find me one self actuating particle, or one that can move because "it wants" to.

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#159372 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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An invisible wizard caused it, would be your answer.
I will say IDK but have seen no evidence of invisible wizards.
Kinda circular this argument is.
So when I see one, you can say I told you so.
So to make it interesting, hold your breath till I see one.
Oh, I won't be holding my breath for you.

You can't see it, so you deny it. Yep, Topix atheist intellect at work.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#159373 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are dense.
Find me one material thing that does not follow some sort of organization. One that does not obey a greater force directing it and causing it to combine or repel or stay separate.
Find me one self actuating particle, or one that can move because "it wants" to.
Radioactive nuclei.
Photons.(Consider your reflection in a windowpane.)

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#159374 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Radioactive nuclei.
Photons.(Consider your reflection in a windowpane.)
So radioactive nuclei move because they decide to? Guess they have more brains than we thought.

So, they would be the activators of life? The thingies that started assembling life?

What created them?
2%

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#159375 Mar 10, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>Why do Christians celebrate the death of their saviour?
Good Friday is a day of mourning.
Easter is the day of celebration.
The day Jesus rose from the dead fulfilling scripture and conquering Sin.

That is what Christians celebrate. Talk about being out of touch with you own hatred.

“Ditat Deus”

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#159376 Mar 10, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Why do Christians celebrate the death of their saviour?
We don't. We celebrate His resurrection.

“Ditat Deus”

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#159377 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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An invisible wizard caused it, would be your answer.
I will say IDK but have seen no evidence of invisible wizards.
Kinda circular this argument is.
So when I see one, you can say I told you so.
So to make it interesting, hold your breath till I see one.
Christians don't believe in invisible wizards. That's an atheist thing.

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#159378 Mar 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Christians don't believe in invisible wizards. That's an atheist thing.
No, atheists believe in magical poofs that organize into form. A little smoke, and there we is.

They back engineered the smoke and figured how it formed. Hell, they can still see the smoke out there. Very scientific, eh?

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