Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#159232 Mar 9, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Because people who lie,“cdesign proponentsists”, are trying to pass mythology as science.
Faraday, Maxwell, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and most of the giants of modern science, the fathers of today's science, believed in that mythology you refer to. Modern science wouldn't exist without their study and observation. And formulas followed.

Thatsa fact.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159233 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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When you are a creature aware of itself and that everything is "created", by whatever method, and aware there is the possibility of another dimesnion of existence, afterlife, etc, then you either have a belief there is another one of those, or you don't believe, or you just flat don't know. Topix atheists get on here and argue there isn't, using scientism as a proxy for their "non-belief". Being proactive in expressing is believing, or a state of confusion.
If someone gets on hre and professes there is no afterlife, deity, or spiritual existence, then they have a belief.
The funny part is they just can't say they don't believe, they have to dance around. Which means they aren't sure of their belief in their non-belief, but that doesn't stop them from being obnoxious and accusing the religious of being dumb drones and ranting and raving against anything they say.
I believe they are nuts and/or troubled minds. I am sue there are many more that think the same way, especially after reading these "athiest forums" where they can gather and be supportive of each other in their expressions of their irrational thinking.
Topix atheists are proven nut cases.

Maybe you can tell by the knotted vortexes in real water?
After all you wont have to do any math , just have a look see.

:)

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159234 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Faraday, Maxwell, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and most of the giants of modern science, the fathers of today's science, believed in that mythology you refer to. Modern science wouldn't exist without their study and observation. And formulas followed.
Thatsa fact.
Back in the day, it wasn't even considered to not be part of the fabric of society. It was everyone and family were born and raised in the church. There wasn't a thought of the doctrine of scripture being incorrect. But you see Dave in their effort to prove the bible they discovered a truth unexpected.
The fathers of science like Lord Kelvin gradually figured it out.
Someone finally said it....This GD book is totally worthless.
Now some well they came to saying, you can't take it literally
Dave it's metaphorical. Others just moved on.

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#159235 Mar 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Maybe you can tell by the knotted vortexes in real water?
After all you wont have to do any math , just have a look see.
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YCA0VIExVhgXX
Water has a granularity not found in true space.

Notice everything is in motion.

Math is necessary, but it is a tool, and not supposed to be the deity.

Some where along the line a false model was created using math because of incorrect interpretations of events. That model built upon those incorrect assumptions has become a false idol.

One more time. Space as a superfluid with no granularity. Using a syringe as an example of motion imparted. The syringe is opened and full of this same space. Close the syringe. The jet encounters the space and the motion wraps that space around the linear stream you just created. The collapse behind the direction of motion keeps the ball formed by that wrapping moving. This is where inertia happens, and your perception of the speed of light limit. The displacing of what is in front and the fill in behind.

That spinning ball you just created now appears "solid" because of its motion. That motion creates something to react with.

But the whole universe is a pretty complex collection of those thingies.

But something started the motion of space. Whether it is in a closed container or THE universal substance.

You are looking at thought, there.

Or something like that.
Lincoln

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#159236 Mar 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Back in the day, it wasn't even considered to not be part of the fabric of society. It was everyone and family were born and raised in the church. There wasn't a thought of the doctrine of scripture being incorrect. But you see Dave in their effort to prove the bible they discovered a truth unexpected.
The fathers of science like Lord Kelvin gradually figured it out.
Someone finally said it....This GD book is totally worthless.
Now some well they came to saying, you can't take it literally
Dave it's metaphorical. Others just moved on.
"...Lord Kelvin gradually figured it out...."
....this is the basis of your belief ?:-)

From the start, the tone of atheist evangelicals suggested desperation .
Atheism may be understood as a response to the persistence of faith. This may explain the tone of atheists and increasingly angry at the fact that people continue to believe.
Atheists may wish control of America at a time of their decline?
Peace

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#159237 Mar 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Back in the day, it wasn't even considered to not be part of the fabric of society. It was everyone and family were born and raised in the church. There wasn't a thought of the doctrine of scripture being incorrect. But you see Dave in their effort to prove the bible they discovered a truth unexpected.
The fathers of science like Lord Kelvin gradually figured it out.
Someone finally said it....This GD book is totally worthless.
Now some well they came to saying, you can't take it literally
Dave it's metaphorical. Others just moved on.
It would be easier to respond to that if you were more coherent in presenting it.

You assume a lot in your deductions, ignoring many other things.

They believed in a higher power or religion until the end of their days.

Every true scientist knows something lurks beyond the pale. Their intellect and intuition tells them so. This is one of the motivations for them to pursue how it is put together. To follow the stream back home.

Then you have Topix atheists that rant and rave from a strictly emotional viewpoint,,and coupled with their inability to think, reach out and grab portions of science espoused by other nut cases, interpretations of a theological nature and not true scientific interpretations, as "truths" not to be denied.

They have to find others that can think, and use the personal interpretations of those others as justification for their mental and emotional issues.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159238 Mar 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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"...Lord Kelvin gradually figured it out...."
....this is the basis of your belief ?:-)
From the start, the tone of atheist evangelicals suggested desperation .
Atheism may be understood as a response to the persistence of faith. This may explain the tone of atheists and increasingly angry at the fact that people continue to believe.
Atheists may wish control of America at a time of their decline?
Peace
Lord Kelvin figured the Earth to be 400 million years old.
That's how long he calculated the Earth had been cooling from a liquid state. He later was force from peer pressure from his church
friends to possibly 40 million. But you see he was vastly underestimating because of something they didn't know then.

He was right that the Earth was far older than anyone else thought.
They had been led to believe by clergy the world was 6,000 years old. But his miscalculation was because radioactivity had not been discovered yet. That radioactivity kept the core hotter and prevented it's cooling and still drives the vulcanism inside.

I don't care what you believe , it is your right to believe what you want. But don't try to stand in the way of those who know.
Most agnostics care little to what you want to believe, so why would we be mad at your foolishness?

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#159239 Mar 9, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality

Spirituality is a complex thing. Read that and you can see how the concept of it has changed over the years. But it still boils down to the same thing, a sense of self and place existing in something larger.

This scientism advanced by Topix atheists, the stellar shit arising out of nowhere and resulting in them is a denial of this spirit. It is like they shut off any real humanity they possess and want everyone else to do the same.

Everything else like secularism is just a transference from the larger force to mankind itself. That is one step up from the above.

They don't have much vision and perception past themselves and the material world.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#159240 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It would be easier to respond to that if you were more coherent in presenting it.
You assume a lot in your deductions, ignoring many other things.
They believed in a higher power or religion until the end of their days.
Every true scientist knows something lurks beyond the pale. Their intellect and intuition tells them so. This is one of the motivations for them to pursue how it is put together. To follow the stream back home.
Then you have Topix atheists that rant and rave from a strictly emotional viewpoint,,and coupled with their inability to think, reach out and grab portions of science espoused by other nut cases, interpretations of a theological nature and not true scientific interpretations, as "truths" not to be denied.
They have to find others that can think, and use the personal interpretations of those others as justification for their mental and emotional issues.
That slow steady separation between science and religion over the last 150 years, in fact had a reason Dave. It was called discovery.

Darwin was a deeply religious man, what he learned broke his spirit. Do you know what his wife said to him after he told her?

Well we can only hope it isn't true, and if it is we better pray it doesn't become widely known. Well welcome to the widely known fact. No emotion involved anymore, once you know you either accept the truth or you keep lying to yourself. Admit it Dave your emotion will pass, and then you will feel so much better.

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#159241 Mar 9, 2013
The level that a Topix atheist's brain works at prevents them from thinking beyond the literal, and from grasping allegory and metaphors.

They screech and rant and rave against the literal words of religious works, and almost exclusively against the Abrahamic Bible.

There are two words in that Bible that should pique the interest of anyone with a brain.

"I AM".

But that will sail right over their heads.

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#159242 Mar 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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That slow steady separation between science and religion over the last 150 years, in fact had a reason Dave. It was called discovery.
Darwin was a deeply religious man, what he learned broke his spirit. Do you know what his wife said to him after he told her?
Well we can only hope it isn't true, and if it is we better pray it doesn't become widely known. Well welcome to the widely known fact. No emotion involved anymore, once you know you either accept the truth or you keep lying to yourself. Admit it Dave your emotion will pass, and then you will feel so much better.
There is a division between organized religion and more independent spirituality that grew from that, not a denial of a higher power or dimension.

That is what Jesus taught. Individual connections to the great "I AM". The emergence of consciousness and existence. All you got to do is believe you live past this manifestation.

The church and formalized doctrine were created by men. That could be by design of a higher power to spread a message, but man is good about overcomplicating some things, and putting some money in his pocket from such. He has a way of perverting anything from its original meaning, especially to suit his needs. Doesn't make the core message wrong.

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#159243 Mar 9, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-c...

You don't get stories like this from being a piece of animated stellar doo doo.

“There is no god!”

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#159244 Mar 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Atheist paradise
Sweden is atheist paradise

“cdesign proponentsists”

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#159246 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Faraday, Maxwell, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and most of the giants of modern science, the fathers of today's science, believed in that mythology you refer to. Modern science wouldn't exist without their study and observation. And formulas followed.
Thatsa fact.
Again, their beliefs had nothing to do with science. If you knew anything about Newton, you would know that he was also into alchemy which would have meant his death or at least his imprisonment. Galileo, same thing, the church imprisoned him because of science.

The birth of science was in non-christian Greece. The birth of astronomy, non-christian Arabs.

Belief has nothing to do with science and "Thatsa fact."

“cdesign proponentsists”

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#159247 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The level that a Topix atheist's brain works at prevents them from thinking beyond the literal, and from grasping allegory and metaphors.
They screech and rant and rave against the literal words of religious works, and almost exclusively against the Abrahamic Bible.
There are two words in that Bible that should pique the interest of anyone with a brain.
"I AM".
But that will sail right over their heads.
Is this an allegory or a metaphor?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

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#159248 Mar 9, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Again, their beliefs had nothing to do with science. If you knew anything about Newton, you would know that he was also into alchemy which would have meant his death or at least his imprisonment. Galileo, same thing, the church imprisoned him because of science.
The birth of science was in non-christian Greece. The birth of astronomy, non-christian Arabs.
Belief has nothing to do with science and "Thatsa fact."
You are really, really out of the rational area of mental processes.

You have no perspective on reality outside that you created for yourself. And try to share with others.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

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#159249 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Why are you on here arguing about it?
You’re the one that brought it up.

Why are you?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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When you are a creature aware of itself and that everything is "created", by whatever method, and aware there is the possibility of another dimesnion of existence, afterlife, etc, then you either have a belief there is another one of those, or you don't believe, or you just flat don't know. Topix atheists get on here and argue there isn't, using scientism as a proxy for their "non-belief". Being proactive in expressing is believing, or a state of confusion.
If someone gets on hre and professes there is no afterlife, deity, or spiritual existence, then they have a belief.
The funny part is they just can't say they don't believe, they have to dance around. Which means they aren't sure of their belief in their non-belief, but that doesn't stop them from being obnoxious and accusing the religious of being dumb drones and ranting and raving against anything they say.
I believe they are nuts and/or troubled minds. I am sue there are many more that think the same way, especially after reading these "athiest forums" where they can gather and be supportive of each other in their expressions of their irrational thinking.
Topix atheists are proven nut cases.
So you are the one and only expert on all things. There are a lot of atheist that say the same about the religious “Topix religious are proven nut cases”.

You seem to have some hate issues when it comes to others belief or non-belief.

“Think&Care”

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#159250 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Faraday, Maxwell, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and most of the giants of modern science, the fathers of today's science, believed in that mythology you refer to. Modern science wouldn't exist without their study and observation. And formulas followed.
Thatsa fact.
They also knew that mathematics is a good language for science.

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#159251 Mar 9, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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You’re the one that brought it up.
Why are you?
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So you are the one and only expert on all things. There are a lot of atheist that say the same about the religious “Topix religious are proven nut cases”.
You seem to have some hate issues when it comes to others belief or non-belief.
I don't hate atheists. I was one for 50 years. I hate as*holes posing as one just to be as*holes. They were much more intellectual and classier before it became a fad for idiots on the internet.

That is why I use the term Topix atheists all of the time. Faux intellects.

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#159252 Mar 9, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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They also knew that mathematics is a good language for science.
Yes, language, but not a god.

Too many math geeks got lost in working math puzzles.

I remember carrying a lot of pencils in my shirt pocket, but never had a pocket protector.

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