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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159242 Mar 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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That slow steady separation between science and religion over the last 150 years, in fact had a reason Dave. It was called discovery.
Darwin was a deeply religious man, what he learned broke his spirit. Do you know what his wife said to him after he told her?
Well we can only hope it isn't true, and if it is we better pray it doesn't become widely known. Well welcome to the widely known fact. No emotion involved anymore, once you know you either accept the truth or you keep lying to yourself. Admit it Dave your emotion will pass, and then you will feel so much better.
There is a division between organized religion and more independent spirituality that grew from that, not a denial of a higher power or dimension.

That is what Jesus taught. Individual connections to the great "I AM". The emergence of consciousness and existence. All you got to do is believe you live past this manifestation.

The church and formalized doctrine were created by men. That could be by design of a higher power to spread a message, but man is good about overcomplicating some things, and putting some money in his pocket from such. He has a way of perverting anything from its original meaning, especially to suit his needs. Doesn't make the core message wrong.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159243 Mar 9, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-c...

You don't get stories like this from being a piece of animated stellar doo doo.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#159244 Mar 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Atheist paradise
Sweden is atheist paradise

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#159246 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Faraday, Maxwell, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and most of the giants of modern science, the fathers of today's science, believed in that mythology you refer to. Modern science wouldn't exist without their study and observation. And formulas followed.
Thatsa fact.
Again, their beliefs had nothing to do with science. If you knew anything about Newton, you would know that he was also into alchemy which would have meant his death or at least his imprisonment. Galileo, same thing, the church imprisoned him because of science.

The birth of science was in non-christian Greece. The birth of astronomy, non-christian Arabs.

Belief has nothing to do with science and "Thatsa fact."

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#159247 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The level that a Topix atheist's brain works at prevents them from thinking beyond the literal, and from grasping allegory and metaphors.
They screech and rant and rave against the literal words of religious works, and almost exclusively against the Abrahamic Bible.
There are two words in that Bible that should pique the interest of anyone with a brain.
"I AM".
But that will sail right over their heads.
Is this an allegory or a metaphor?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159248 Mar 9, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Again, their beliefs had nothing to do with science. If you knew anything about Newton, you would know that he was also into alchemy which would have meant his death or at least his imprisonment. Galileo, same thing, the church imprisoned him because of science.
The birth of science was in non-christian Greece. The birth of astronomy, non-christian Arabs.
Belief has nothing to do with science and "Thatsa fact."
You are really, really out of the rational area of mental processes.

You have no perspective on reality outside that you created for yourself. And try to share with others.

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#159249 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Why are you on here arguing about it?
You’re the one that brought it up.

Why are you?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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When you are a creature aware of itself and that everything is "created", by whatever method, and aware there is the possibility of another dimesnion of existence, afterlife, etc, then you either have a belief there is another one of those, or you don't believe, or you just flat don't know. Topix atheists get on here and argue there isn't, using scientism as a proxy for their "non-belief". Being proactive in expressing is believing, or a state of confusion.
If someone gets on hre and professes there is no afterlife, deity, or spiritual existence, then they have a belief.
The funny part is they just can't say they don't believe, they have to dance around. Which means they aren't sure of their belief in their non-belief, but that doesn't stop them from being obnoxious and accusing the religious of being dumb drones and ranting and raving against anything they say.
I believe they are nuts and/or troubled minds. I am sue there are many more that think the same way, especially after reading these "athiest forums" where they can gather and be supportive of each other in their expressions of their irrational thinking.
Topix atheists are proven nut cases.
So you are the one and only expert on all things. There are a lot of atheist that say the same about the religious “Topix religious are proven nut cases”.

You seem to have some hate issues when it comes to others belief or non-belief.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159250 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Faraday, Maxwell, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and most of the giants of modern science, the fathers of today's science, believed in that mythology you refer to. Modern science wouldn't exist without their study and observation. And formulas followed.
Thatsa fact.
They also knew that mathematics is a good language for science.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159251 Mar 9, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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You’re the one that brought it up.
Why are you?
<quoted text>
So you are the one and only expert on all things. There are a lot of atheist that say the same about the religious “Topix religious are proven nut cases”.
You seem to have some hate issues when it comes to others belief or non-belief.
I don't hate atheists. I was one for 50 years. I hate as*holes posing as one just to be as*holes. They were much more intellectual and classier before it became a fad for idiots on the internet.

That is why I use the term Topix atheists all of the time. Faux intellects.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159252 Mar 9, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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They also knew that mathematics is a good language for science.
Yes, language, but not a god.

Too many math geeks got lost in working math puzzles.

I remember carrying a lot of pencils in my shirt pocket, but never had a pocket protector.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#159253 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are really, really out of the rational area of mental processes.
You have no perspective on reality outside that you created for yourself. And try to share with others.
Is this an allegory or a metaphor?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#159254 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are really, really out of the rational area of mental processes.
You have no perspective on reality outside that you created for yourself. And try to share with others.
That doesn't make any sense.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159255 Mar 9, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Is this an allegory or a metaphor?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Uh, how many years ago was that?

Has anything changed since then?

Was it atheists that banished slavery?

Is slavery now illegal in the world, although still practiced by the less than religious?

Your Greeks and Romans didn't outlaw it.

Slavery was practiced everywhere, including Asia and the Americas.

There was one benefit to slavery, though. Conflicts of cultures created winners and losers. The winners weren't about to make the losers equal partners. Kinda messes up your organization and social structure. The alternative was genocide and massacres. Slavery established a social class that enabled most to live.

Most slaves eventually became part of the culture that enslaved them. Some reaching very high positions. Higher than the average citizens.

You prefer genocide over slavery?

Quit looking at the past from such a narrow perspective. Makes you look dumb.
Kipling

United States

#159256 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, language, but not a god.

Too many math geeks got lost in working math puzzles.

I remember carrying a lot of pencils in my shirt pocket, but never had a pocket protector.
I had a slid ruler. Remember those?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159257 Mar 9, 2013
Oh sheesh Dave is using the Buck argument of not believing unproved nonsense is a religion.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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When you are a creature aware of itself and that everything is "created", by whatever method, and aware there is the possibility of another dimesnion of existence, afterlife, etc, then you either have a belief there is another one of those, or you don't believe, or you just flat don't know. Topix atheists get on here and argue there isn't, using scientism as a proxy for their "non-belief". Being proactive in expressing is believing, or a state of confusion.
If someone gets on hre and professes there is no afterlife, deity, or spiritual existence, then they have a belief.
The funny part is they just can't say they don't believe, they have to dance around. Which means they aren't sure of their belief in their non-belief, but that doesn't stop them from being obnoxious and accusing the religious of being dumb drones and ranting and raving against anything they say.
I believe they are nuts and/or troubled minds. I am sue there are many more that think the same way, especially after reading these "athiest forums" where they can gather and be supportive of each other in their expressions of their irrational thinking.
Topix atheists are proven nut cases.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159258 Mar 9, 2013
Kipling wrote:
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I had a slid ruler. Remember those?
Yes, but never had one.

Had a little pencil box with a sliding ruler on top for the cover.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159259 Mar 9, 2013
An atheist holiday? Is your IQ really that low? Everyday is an atheist holiday!

Oh and here you go, rise of atheism in America.

http://news.yahoo.com/rise-atheism-america-11...

Yes we know you avoid facts.
Lincoln wrote:
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Laura Keene was the actress on stage when Abraham Lincoln was shot.
Was the play "Our American Cousin" ?
Shot on Good Friday which Christian celebrate and public schools observe.
Which atheist holiday is observed?
Peace

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#159260 Mar 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Uh, how many years ago was that?
Irrelevant, it was your never changing god who made the law.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Has anything changed since then?
With your god? No. Your mythology states that your god never changes.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Was it atheists that banished slavery?
That's a stupid question. You have no idea the belief or lack thereof of the people involved.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Is slavery now illegal in the world, although still practiced by the less than religious?
Again, you have no proof.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Your Greeks and Romans didn't outlaw it.
I didn't know they were mine! Damn!
Dave Nelson wrote:
Slavery was practiced everywhere, including Asia and the Americas.
Sanctioned by your god.
Dave Nelson wrote:
There was one benefit to slavery, though. Conflicts of cultures created winners and losers. The winners weren't about to make the losers equal partners. Kinda messes up your organization and social structure.
What? WWI the world tried to punish German far more than the Germans could endure. Thus we had WWII. When it ended, we became equal friends with the Germans, Japanese and Italians and we haven't fought them since.
Dave Nelson wrote:
The alternative was genocide and massacres.
Your god demanded genocide and massacres.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Slavery established a social class that enabled most to live.
Most slaves eventually became part of the culture that enslaved them. Some reaching very high positions. Higher than the average citizens.
You prefer genocide over slavery?
Your god demanded genocide and massacres.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Quit looking at the past from such a narrow perspective. Makes you look dumb.
Only to stupid troll fundies.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159261 Mar 9, 2013
I wonder how many of Dave's babbling rants about topix atheists he'll natter on with today?

You think he holds the grocery store clerk up for an hour with similar rants?

Just another person to pretend to pay attention to Dave.
Dave Nelson wrote:
The level that a Topix atheist's brain works at prevents them from thinking beyond the literal, and from grasping allegory and metaphors.
They screech and rant and rave against the literal words of religious works, and almost exclusively against the Abrahamic Bible.
There are two words in that Bible that should pique the interest of anyone with a brain.
"I AM".
But that will sail right over their heads.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159262 Mar 9, 2013
I love Sweden!:)
Mikko wrote:
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Sweden is atheist paradise

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