Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Mar 6, 2013
 
Actually Dave specifically said the best way to learn is to hurt yourself, suffering body breaking injuries not books is the way to learn.
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I think he meant storing 'data' to be processed into 'information' at a later date.
Data is useless to us until processed into information.
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Mar 6, 2013
 
Imhotep wrote:
Easy as 1-2-3
1. Keep your religion out of our lives..
2. Keep religious dogma out of government.
3. Cease attempting to force your beliefs on others.
You will never never hear about atheism again.
1. If religion is in your life, that's your choice.

2. No. Learn to live with it.

3. "force"? It cannot be forced.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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1. If religion is in your life, that's your choice.
2. No. Learn to live with it.
3. "force"? It cannot be forced.
2 and 3 are contradictory.

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Actually Dave specifically said the best way to learn is to hurt yourself, suffering body breaking injuries not books is the way to learn.
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Books are virtual reality. Broken bodies are the real thing.

You are too stupid to understand that. That is why you rely on acting the smart ass, deflecting from the real you.

That happens often from young and immature brains ingesting more drugs than their young and immature brains can handle, thereby freezing them into a set pattern. Around 14, right?
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Mar 6, 2013
 
LiddySays wrote:
But in my opinion, if there were nothing after life, then life itself is meaningless. And there is a reason for everything. IDK, if this came out the way I intended(I'm half drunk)=) But if you can find any living thing on this planet that does not have a purpose, then my theory is debunked!
What bullshít. You can't find any meaning in life if you don't go on forever? Get over yourself.

As for having a "purpose", how do you judge whether something has one or not? Are there any moderately objective criteria for judging that? What is the "purpose" of malaria? How about guinea worm, or for the dwarf planet Ceres? Can you conclude that there's some intent behind any of these in a way that isn't utterly contrived?

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No, it isn't. That is where yo go south in your thinking.
Reading is a motor skill. It just translates symbols into words. It takes "thinking" to turn those words into concepts or knowledge. Some things can be processed on the fly, and others take some consideration. Depends on the complexity of the info.
You have sure taken aptitude and other tests in school. Maybe you recall the sections called "reading and comprehension"? Yours probably had something like a 45% percentile next to it, just to jog your memory.
Note the two different words? Are you capable of grasping the significance of that extra word comprehension?
Think about it.
Um, wow ... you know nothing about anything. Let's look at technology:

When you enter information that information must be processed into bytes, then stored into a database which much process it further to create classifications and unique identification markers.

When you read, or "store information" of any sort into the brain, it has to be processed into a complete concept, a language used by the brain itself, before it can be stored into the neurons. This process, yeah, it's a process, is often called memorization. Very little of what you read is actually memorized for this reason, that is why repetition is required to learn everything in a single paragraph by the vast majority of biological organisms. The information has to be broken down first, then those concepts in the information that are already present are then linked in an intricate network, the neural network, and offered "weights" based on how relevant that information is to the other parts. Then the language breaks the other parts down further into concepts and patterns which the brain can then process faster when called. These are also assigned neurons, which are also connected to other neurons with more "weights" determining their relevance to those other portions of information. By the time the brain memorizes even one word, a few thousand more neural connections are established and a few hundred more neurons are assigned to specific concepts contained within that one single word. The language the brain utilizes for breaking down information is so elaborate that even the concept of zero uses several hundred neurons.

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Mar 6, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Dave can.
Buck too.
That's why they make such a perfect couple.
It's mind boggling to see such naivete in people. How adults can become less intelligent than children is one of those conundrums that supports the notion that our species is not meant to live past 30 years of age.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Books are virtual reality. Broken bodies are the real thing.
You are too stupid to understand that. That is why you rely on acting the smart ass, deflecting from the real you.
That happens often from young and immature brains ingesting more drugs than their young and immature brains can handle, thereby freezing them into a set pattern. Around 14, right?
Ironically, "virtual reality" is what has allowed us to develop some pretty beneficial medicines.

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2 and 3 are contradictory.
No they're not. Religious dogme being in government and forcing religion on folks are two different things.

If you see the Ten Commandments at a courthouse, are you now forced to obey them?

When you see gargoyles perched on a building, are you forced to fear them?

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Um, wow ... you know nothing about anything. Let's look at technology:
When you enter information that information must be processed into bytes, then stored into a database which much process it further to create classifications and unique identification markers.
When you read, or "store information" of any sort into the brain, it has to be processed into a complete concept, a language used by the brain itself, before it can be stored into the neurons. This process, yeah, it's a process, is often called memorization. Very little of what you read is actually memorized for this reason, that is why repetition is required to learn everything in a single paragraph by the vast majority of biological organisms. The information has to be broken down first, then those concepts in the information that are already present are then linked in an intricate network, the neural network, and offered "weights" based on how relevant that information is to the other parts. Then the language breaks the other parts down further into concepts and patterns which the brain can then process faster when called. These are also assigned neurons, which are also connected to other neurons with more "weights" determining their relevance to those other portions of information. By the time the brain memorizes even one word, a few thousand more neural connections are established and a few hundred more neurons are assigned to specific concepts contained within that one single word. The language the brain utilizes for breaking down information is so elaborate that even the concept of zero uses several hundred neurons.
Uh, you just pretty much said what I said. Except you think all of the organization is done on the fly. With no checksums.

But here the utter reality. Those words and brain processes have to be turned into "reality", meaning physical processes you can identify with, like the ones that created us and we live in? Otherwise you have a bunch of random firing neurons with no where to go.

Go break a finger, it will do you some good. Get a good grasp of what momentum and mass is. Banging your head against the wall may be of significant value to you. If done hard enough.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Uh, you just pretty much said what I said. Except you think all of the organization is done on the fly. With no checksums.
But here the utter reality. Those words and brain processes have to be turned into "reality", meaning physical processes you can identify with, like the ones that created us and we live in? Otherwise you have a bunch of random firing neurons with no where to go.
Go break a finger, it will do you some good. Get a good grasp of what momentum and mass is. Banging your head against the wall may be of significant value to you. If done hard enough.
Um ... what? Memorization requires the processing of the information, therefore you are incorrect in assuming that reading is without processing. I provided an explanation of why you are wrong, you just continue to make the blind assertion that you are correct in spite of this, that is a sign of delusion, you are incapable of admitting you are wrong.

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Um ... what? Memorization requires the processing of the information, therefore you are incorrect in assuming that reading is without processing. I provided an explanation of why you are wrong, you just continue to make the blind assertion that you are correct in spite of this, that is a sign of delusion, you are incapable of admitting you are wrong.
You are too dense and pigheaded to communicate with.

There is a huge difference between constructing machines and programs, and using those things to draw kittens. Your creative desires are giving you tunnel vision. You just think you know how the things operate you use as tools. This is not uncommon, in fact, it is how most work gets done by everyone. You learn enough to use it, and take it for granted you understand it completely.

Now, I need to go offline and take this stupid laptop apart and try to find what is overheating it. It isn't dust blocking. It is likely a bad sensor which will be beyond doing field repair on it.

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Mar 6, 2013
 
The Dave method of learning shown again.

From the ignorance level of his recent posts it seems he has been ahem studying with the wall a lot lately.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Uh...
Go break a finger, it will do you some good. Get a good grasp of what momentum and mass is. Banging your head against the wall may be of significant value to you. If done hard enough.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are too dense and pigheaded to communicate with.
There is a huge difference between constructing machines and programs, and using those things to draw kittens. Your creative desires are giving you tunnel vision. You just think you know how the things operate you use as tools. This is not uncommon, in fact, it is how most work gets done by everyone. You learn enough to use it, and take it for granted you understand it completely.
Now, I need to go offline and take this stupid laptop apart and try to find what is overheating it. It isn't dust blocking. It is likely a bad sensor which will be beyond doing field repair on it.
Did any of this make any sense to anyone else? If so, please translate it to English for me so I can respond.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually Dave specifically said the best way to learn is to hurt yourself, suffering body breaking injuries not books is the way to learn.
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.

I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Did any of this make any sense to anyone else? If so, please translate it to English for me so I can respond.
You proved a point there. Not that you and similar minds can understand.

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G_O_D wrote:
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.
I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.
The man that figures it out understands it, which takes pain, if not physical, mental. Those that come after just think they understand. There is a glossing over of the details. You can often improve upon the ideas, but first you really need to know how they arrived at them.

It all has to do with assuming.

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Mar 6, 2013
 
Dave just said breaking your finger and banging your head into the wall is his way of learning. Imagine if someone asked you to complete a word problem in their math book and instead of reading it and working it out step by step you broke your finger and slammed your head into the wall.

Meh not for me.
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.
I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Dave just said breaking your finger and banging your head into the wall is his way of learning. Imagine if someone asked you to complete a word problem in their math book and instead of reading it and working it out step by step you broke your finger and slammed your head into the wall.
Meh not for me.
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That is why you will never figure anything out. You are lazy, in addition to being mentally challenged.

Stay comfy in your comfort zone. Go sell some porn.

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Mar 6, 2013
 
So how many times did you bang your head into the wall for that post Dave? Did it require you to break a finger?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That is why you will never figure anything out. You are lazy, in addition to being mentally challenged.
Stay comfy in your comfort zone. Go sell some porn.

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