Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#158661 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, wow ... you know nothing about anything. Let's look at technology:
When you enter information that information must be processed into bytes, then stored into a database which much process it further to create classifications and unique identification markers.
When you read, or "store information" of any sort into the brain, it has to be processed into a complete concept, a language used by the brain itself, before it can be stored into the neurons. This process, yeah, it's a process, is often called memorization. Very little of what you read is actually memorized for this reason, that is why repetition is required to learn everything in a single paragraph by the vast majority of biological organisms. The information has to be broken down first, then those concepts in the information that are already present are then linked in an intricate network, the neural network, and offered "weights" based on how relevant that information is to the other parts. Then the language breaks the other parts down further into concepts and patterns which the brain can then process faster when called. These are also assigned neurons, which are also connected to other neurons with more "weights" determining their relevance to those other portions of information. By the time the brain memorizes even one word, a few thousand more neural connections are established and a few hundred more neurons are assigned to specific concepts contained within that one single word. The language the brain utilizes for breaking down information is so elaborate that even the concept of zero uses several hundred neurons.
Uh, you just pretty much said what I said. Except you think all of the organization is done on the fly. With no checksums.

But here the utter reality. Those words and brain processes have to be turned into "reality", meaning physical processes you can identify with, like the ones that created us and we live in? Otherwise you have a bunch of random firing neurons with no where to go.

Go break a finger, it will do you some good. Get a good grasp of what momentum and mass is. Banging your head against the wall may be of significant value to you. If done hard enough.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158662 Mar 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Uh, you just pretty much said what I said. Except you think all of the organization is done on the fly. With no checksums.
But here the utter reality. Those words and brain processes have to be turned into "reality", meaning physical processes you can identify with, like the ones that created us and we live in? Otherwise you have a bunch of random firing neurons with no where to go.
Go break a finger, it will do you some good. Get a good grasp of what momentum and mass is. Banging your head against the wall may be of significant value to you. If done hard enough.
Um ... what? Memorization requires the processing of the information, therefore you are incorrect in assuming that reading is without processing. I provided an explanation of why you are wrong, you just continue to make the blind assertion that you are correct in spite of this, that is a sign of delusion, you are incapable of admitting you are wrong.

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#158663 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um ... what? Memorization requires the processing of the information, therefore you are incorrect in assuming that reading is without processing. I provided an explanation of why you are wrong, you just continue to make the blind assertion that you are correct in spite of this, that is a sign of delusion, you are incapable of admitting you are wrong.
You are too dense and pigheaded to communicate with.

There is a huge difference between constructing machines and programs, and using those things to draw kittens. Your creative desires are giving you tunnel vision. You just think you know how the things operate you use as tools. This is not uncommon, in fact, it is how most work gets done by everyone. You learn enough to use it, and take it for granted you understand it completely.

Now, I need to go offline and take this stupid laptop apart and try to find what is overheating it. It isn't dust blocking. It is likely a bad sensor which will be beyond doing field repair on it.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#158664 Mar 6, 2013
The Dave method of learning shown again.

From the ignorance level of his recent posts it seems he has been ahem studying with the wall a lot lately.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Uh...
Go break a finger, it will do you some good. Get a good grasp of what momentum and mass is. Banging your head against the wall may be of significant value to you. If done hard enough.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158665 Mar 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are too dense and pigheaded to communicate with.
There is a huge difference between constructing machines and programs, and using those things to draw kittens. Your creative desires are giving you tunnel vision. You just think you know how the things operate you use as tools. This is not uncommon, in fact, it is how most work gets done by everyone. You learn enough to use it, and take it for granted you understand it completely.
Now, I need to go offline and take this stupid laptop apart and try to find what is overheating it. It isn't dust blocking. It is likely a bad sensor which will be beyond doing field repair on it.
Did any of this make any sense to anyone else? If so, please translate it to English for me so I can respond.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#158666 Mar 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually Dave specifically said the best way to learn is to hurt yourself, suffering body breaking injuries not books is the way to learn.
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.

I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.

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#158667 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Did any of this make any sense to anyone else? If so, please translate it to English for me so I can respond.
You proved a point there. Not that you and similar minds can understand.

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#158668 Mar 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.
I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.
The man that figures it out understands it, which takes pain, if not physical, mental. Those that come after just think they understand. There is a glossing over of the details. You can often improve upon the ideas, but first you really need to know how they arrived at them.

It all has to do with assuming.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#158669 Mar 6, 2013
Dave just said breaking your finger and banging your head into the wall is his way of learning. Imagine if someone asked you to complete a word problem in their math book and instead of reading it and working it out step by step you broke your finger and slammed your head into the wall.

Meh not for me.
G_O_D wrote:
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.
I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.

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#158670 Mar 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Dave just said breaking your finger and banging your head into the wall is his way of learning. Imagine if someone asked you to complete a word problem in their math book and instead of reading it and working it out step by step you broke your finger and slammed your head into the wall.
Meh not for me.
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That is why you will never figure anything out. You are lazy, in addition to being mentally challenged.

Stay comfy in your comfort zone. Go sell some porn.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#158671 Mar 6, 2013
So how many times did you bang your head into the wall for that post Dave? Did it require you to break a finger?
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That is why you will never figure anything out. You are lazy, in addition to being mentally challenged.
Stay comfy in your comfort zone. Go sell some porn.

Since: May 10

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#158672 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Did any of this make any sense to anyone else? If so, please translate it to English for me so I can respond.
Happy to help.

What Dave is saying is that you couldn't pour piss out of your boot unless the instructions were written on the heel.

Hope this is helpful.

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#158673 Mar 6, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/06/health/super-bu...

That death rate alone from "hospital-acquired infections" is 3 times the rate of guns.

About 1.7 million get those infections per year.

Ain't science grand?

It is if applied right.

Since: May 10

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#158674 Mar 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The experiential method is effective but has too many drawbacks for my tastes.
I prefer to learn from other's mistakes whenever possible.
I find this curiously coincidental.

I think the only way to know anything about God is experiential.

That's what "written upon the heart" means. The externalities are just pointing fingers.

There are some things you can't calculate or negotiate because they have no terms and no calculus. Love is one of those things.

Maybe the same thing.

That's why all institutional religions are wrong. Any system that has insiders and outsiders has nothing to do with God.

I don't care if it's called God, or whatever.

Call it the "Oneness". Call it "Source". Call it "Quantum Matrix". Calling water "water" doesn't cause the experience of wetness.

I know...let the jokes and insults begin. I have hard bark.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158675 Mar 6, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Happy to help.
What Dave is saying is that you couldn't pour piss out of your boot unless the instructions were written on the heel.
Hope this is helpful.
Nope, it doesn't explain what he was saying at all. I said translate, not summarize.

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#158676 Mar 6, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So how many times did you bang your head into the wall for that post Dave? Did it require you to break a finger?
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Figuring you out is a no brainer.

Semi-retired at age 32. Couldn't complete studies or hold a job due to drug issues.

Give porn away on ad sites for adclicks. Claims good money from it.

No one buys Bibles, furniture, babies clothing, or such items from porn sites. They do buy porn and porn vacations to poorer countries.

Rental properties in the Phillipines and USA. Low rent buildings and higher rent human beings.

Has issues with churches, especially in the Philllipines, some of which would probably like to see you burned.

Wifey in pre-med. 32 is a late start, so would not be surprised if she wasn't a younger Filipino.

One each spiv trying to emulate class and intelligence, and succeeding at neither.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#158677 Mar 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/news /ci_22726190/two-three-women-c olorado-prisons-diagnosed-psyc hological-disorders
Depressing.
One of my customers was a lifer prison for women in FL. God, I hated going into that place. These were women doing serious time for crimes up to murder. Staffers told me the overwhelming amount of cases involved drugs and abuse. Women being dependent on as*holes and being abused and exploited. And lost. No opportunity to make choices, really. Beaten right out of the gate.
How is your ideal atheist societies going to restrict drugs and bad behavior among men with just words written on paper? No higher authority looking down when you are out of sight of the cops?
The "higher moral authority looking down while you are out of sight of the cops" - obviously hasn't been too successful so far, eh?

Since: May 10

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#158678 Mar 6, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Is that all that keeps you from breaking the law, Davey?
The belief that you're always being watched?
That's pretty pathetic, Davey.
That's not what he said.

How 'bout this one:

All humanity is a connected idea of something greater, and when doing harm to one, you harm all, including yourself. When you add peace and comfort, when you lighten someone's burden a little, you have exalted yourself, and served the higher idea. When you extend kindness, you have gotten closer to and are experiencing.....uhhh...the Higher Idea.

I like it.

But, yeah, I seem to have been particularly challenged at executing it at times.

Since: May 10

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#158679 Mar 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nope, it doesn't explain what he was saying at all. I said translate, not summarize.
OK. I'll try again, since you insist.

He is saying when they were handing out brains, you were over in the mouth line asking for seconds.

Better?

Since: May 10

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#158680 Mar 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/06/ health/super-bug-bacteria-spre ading/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
That death rate alone from "hospital-acquired infections" is 3 times the rate of guns.
About 1.7 million get those infections per year.
Ain't science grand?
It is if applied right.
That's why Obama-Biden, along with banning guns, is also banning hospitals.(Obamacare)

This will necessitate, of course, that they require abortions to be done in gas stations and car washes.

Biden's hair plugs will be done in tattoo parlors.

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