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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157996 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes boxers have the same experiences. Dave was knocked loopy not even an NDE. The only thing you knock out is another plate at the buffet Chubbins, nobody is impressed.
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No one is impressed by you, in a positive fashion.

Explain how your consciousness can be in one place looking back or at something other than where your body is when your very consciousness is dependent upon the physical forces working on your body for you to even sit up? How can the consciousness completely shut off the physical?

What was your degree in, again?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#157997 Mar 3, 2013
atheists dont have a clue wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't think that Buck is that stupid, do you?
YES.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157998 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?
Lmfao!
Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)
Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.
So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
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As the pressure builds your obnoxiousness increases. You have no rational base.

You present no real insights. Only vague references to the works of others. You are existing in a virtual reality produced by your mind alone.

What is your degree in? Should only take a few words at the most. Instead you will come up with more obnoxiousness.

It goes with the pathology.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157999 Mar 3, 2013
Oops sorry Dave this post was aimed at your future bride Buck, but seriously if you care for Buck you should encourage him to lose a lot weight for his health. You could go with him as moral support so he has a better chance of succeeding.
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?
Lmfao!
Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)
Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.
So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
<quoted text>
Imhotep

Bartow, FL

#158000 Mar 3, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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Thank you!:-)
That's what i'm saying. We should all have pleasant, intellectual, fun discussions! We need to try to understand each other, if we really know what's good for us!
We can't say all atheists r good and all religious people r bad or vice versa. We gotta understand good and bad people can be from any race, culture, country, belief etc...
You are in good company! ;)

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true.... Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." ~Albert Einstein

"I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
~Albert Einstein

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#158001 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?
Lmfao!
Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)
Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.
So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
<quoted text>
No NDE has ever been recreated. Not one.

Refuting you is getting too easy, and boring.
Imhotep

Bartow, FL

#158003 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Eben Alexander did not believe in God before his near-death-experience. He said so. He said so before; he said so after.
But you know more about it than he does?
You also know more about neuroscience than he does? He's a neurosurgeon, with advanced training in neuroendocrinology. But you know more about brain function and NDEs than he does?
Question: Was Thomas Jefferson a "christian"?
(After you answer, I will show you the relevance to the present discussion. It will illustrate clearly why you are wrong, and also, it will make you look stupid. I will enjoy that part.)
Take your selection, we will enjoy that part. ;)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/thomas_...

http://www.faithofourfathers.net/jefferson.ht...

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." ~Thomas Jefferson

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158005 Mar 3, 2013
I'm going to post this again. Intelligent people out there should realize by now I am a rather analytical person, very cause and effect based, and tend to get into the details of how things work. Why I describe energy currents instead of particles being created as symbols for processes.

There were a couple of significant events days and weeks before my accident and NDE. One was the blue lady coming out of a blue world and us having very satisfying spiritual sex during a dream. Out of the blue. No residue. This occurred while sleeping next to a girl friend after our normal nightly long time sessions. We were on the tantric side. Where in the fu*k did that come from?

BTW, she showed up again a couple of months after the experience, again out of the blue. The girl friend was long gone, and I was still recuperating physically and still in a lot of pain. Then my earthly experience got even stranger and more painful. Haven't seen her since.

The other was about the same time I had a dream where I was reading a news account of my death. In this dream I also recall something about driving down the coast of Florida and being smacked by a truck coming from the left. After reading the account in the dream I said no, I didn't die, and called my son saying there was an error. I wasn't dead, I just had an accident. This was all in the dream, and some time before the accident. I remember the waking up from it quite well.

The day of the accident was a hectic one. Had a lot of pressure to make some service calls, and over a large area. Plus the stupid bitch dispatcher kept beeping me. So I was running with a case of the ass that day.

But two very interesting events occurred that day. After picking up supplies that morning I headed back to the expressway and a big dual axle dump truck exiting the expressway came flying through a red light just before I got to it. From the left. I thought damn! I didn't have to slam on the brakes, but did have to slow to avoid getting hit. I then proceeded further and made my entrance onto the expressway, and just as I entered it another damned big dump truck came swerving over from the inside lane so he could exit at the next exit. There were three lanes. I had to hit the brakes harder to avoid that one. He came from the left.

Shit, Dave, the idiots are out today. Watch close or you are going to have an accident.

I drove the 25 miles down to my first stop. A particularly aggravating customer that elevated my case of the ass, along with another beep from the dispatcher. I was primed.

After leaving there, I had to drive down a residential road to a stop light on the main road. Had made that turn dozens and dozens of times and didn;t realize how short a light it actually was. Only abut 4 seconds, I found out later. It was a slanted T with the left side the higher portion, and which the view was blocked by underbrush which had not been cleared since Andrew passed through. If you were stopped at the light, you wouldn't see a vehicle coming until where it would stop. You had to be out in the intersection to see up the road.

I was to make a left turn. I had a case of the ass. My glasses had lint on them and pulled them off to wipe as I approached the intersection, which the green light came on while doing so. A normal nice easy turn. Did it dozens and dozens of times.

Except just as I was entering the intersection a car on the right started to take off and I stopped and glared, case of the ass in full throttle.

BAM!!!!!

A dump truck driver pulling a bulldozer on a trailer gauging the light came through my driver's door.

I was a sitting duck.

Life is strange.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158006 Mar 3, 2013
Oh, that main road. In the dream I was driving on a major highway down the coast. That main road was a coastal road on the south side of Miami.

Found out years later this occurred.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.02/matt...

That would have been to my left.:-)
Imhotep

Bartow, FL

#158007 Mar 3, 2013
Religion is entertaining. ;)

World 'Popeless'- non Catholics prayers are temporarily answered.

OAKLAND RAPPER POPE EMERITUS THREATENS LAWSUIT

OAKLAND (The Borowitz Report)
The Vatican’s plan to call the retiring pontiff Benedict XVI “Pope Emeritus” hit a snag today, in the form of a threatened lawsuit by an Oakland-based rapper who has been recording under that name since 2006.

“I don’t care who he is, I ain’t let nobody mess with my brand,” said Mr. Emeritus, who prior to 2006 recorded under the name Notorious P.O.P.E.

While the Vatican said it was unaware that Mr. Emeritus had already claimed the name seven years ago, the Oakland rapper scoffed at that idea:“They should have done what I did before I picked it out: Google it.”

Furious at what he is calling a clear case of trademark infringement, Mr. Emeritus said that he has no intention of stepping aside for the former pontiff:“He’s the one who should step aside. Call himself P. Biddy or something. This is wack, yo.”

According to a source close to the Vatican, Benedict is likely to choose another name for himself rather than risk a legal tussle with the aggrieved rapper:“The last thing the Church needs right now is another lawsuit.”

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#158008 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing about it.
Do you know the chemical that is released when the brain begins to suffocate and why that chemical is released?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#158009 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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It's another mathematical construct, a virtual reality, to explain the math model based upon misinterpretation of the forces arising from use of EM devices to measure, which introduces a polarity and charge issue they are totally ignoring, and which gives them a cheesy model they just keep patching and going in circles on. Some Christian guy named Faraday stated the ball rolling on those EM devices. Actually they would do better just from scratch math. The approach of how something can work and then testing, versus observing and assuming, and then testing designed to confirm the assuming, and add patches when it don't work.
A school girl with a large caliber revolver between her legs? I am glad to see it is pointed away from her.
Since matter is actually created from th eoutside in and not inside out as commonly thought, how would that change the theory of evolution?
Kinda missed you.
Smooch.
Polymath already explained to you that it doesn't have to do with EM.

Hey, thanks for kinda missing me :)

You too, kisses and hugs.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#158010 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Polymath already explained to you that it doesn't have to do with EM.
Hey, thanks for kinda missing me :)
You too, kisses and hugs.
Hi, Hiding.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#158011 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Polymath already explained to you that it doesn't have to do with EM.
Hey, thanks for kinda missing me :)
You too, kisses and hugs.
:-)

You can't get to it unless you go through EM. Or even think you detect it. Fact.

Math heads are detached from reality. They are stuck on symbols and idols, which are symbols.

Numbers don't make babies. Babies make numbers.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#158012 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You admitted it is "necessary".
I agree - abiogenesis is necessary for current Darwinist theory. I worded it as "inextricably linked".
What does "necessary" mean to you? I know what it means to most people.
The nitpicking I'm engaging in, whether abiogenesis started it all or not, is why people doing science cannot be honest. Their need to feign purity compels them to pretend they don't have "necessary" assumptions intertwined in their theories.
As such, we can safely say that current evolutionary theory MIGHT NOT BE TRUE, or it might be true. Given this, we can therefore say with iron-solid confidence - it is not proven.
Theories are never proven. Evolution has not been disproved, not once - that's called "being confirmed." But no, not proven - all we can do is keep testing it (its details). But you already know all this, so I'm not sure why you're writing what you are - did I jump into an ongoing discussion where the other person claimed that the ToE was proved?

Anyways, you also know the reason why I wrote that abiogenesis is a necessary prediction of our sciences. Science takes a necessary materialist stance - we can only base our theories on what is measurable, testable. If we add the untestable, non-evidence based knowledge can encroach into science, thereby degrading its efficacy.

Thus science could only propose materialist explanations for life; it can only propose a testable, measurable hypothesis. If it turns out that every avenue of abiogenesis is disproved - let's say that our knowledge of chemistry is "perfect" and we disprove abiogenesis, then we'd have disproved our materialist stance. That would necessitate considering alternatives to the basic monistic paradigm of science.

As an aside, evolutionary theory isn't static. It's continually refined through testing out the details. I'm not sure if you mean to, but you sound as though the ToE is a perfect construct, known in detail and disprovable.

Rather, the theory of evolution has been borne out through the mass of evidence we have - nothing yet contradicts it. However, the details undergo change and are sometimes discarded. Darwin's hypothesis of essences - gone. Darwin's caveat to Lamarck - gone. Darwin's idea of extremely slow, gradual change - gone or, at best, very, very re-worked. Darwin's sexual selection - reworked as inclusive fitness. Etc., etc.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#158013 Mar 3, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hi, Hiding.
Hi Super-Mac! How's it going???

I hope well!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158014 Mar 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
ToE is not unproven.
"Life on Earth evolved from a universal common ancestor approximately 3.8 billion years ago."

Prove it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#158015 Mar 3, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure why you're not understanding this - abiogenesis is the necessary prediction of our sciences, including but not limited to evolutionary theory.
(I wrote the word "necessary" on purpose, so that you could nitpick it)
However, abiogenesis doesn't form the basis for any of our sciences, for multiple reasons:
1. It's not been demonstrated
2. The processes, if any, are not fully understood.
That's simply not enough to form a foundation for contemporary theories of science. Hence, our theories predict abiogenesis and not the other way around.
<quoted text>
We'd have to rethink our sciences to include how abiogenesis is not true. If it turns out there's some kind of divinity/non-material agent involved, every framework theory would need to be fully remade.
<quoted text>
You mean "unpredictable variation," but "random" will suffice for shorthand.
<quoted text>
Not necessarily - it would depend on how the external agent designed life. Perhaps it chose "random" variation and evolution to do its creating.
<quoted text>
I don't think you could give up any assumption w/out knowing what the designer wanted, how the designer designed. Unless you have some insight into "it," we really wouldn't be able to make any claim - any claim. We would have great difficulties narrowing down causes for any phenomena.
<quoted text>
Sorry, you haven't convinced me. How does evolution require abiogenesis?
It's quite clear how it predicts it - no creators involved in any of our sciences.
"I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale,"

--Charles Darwin. Originally in The Origin of the Species, removed due to ridicule.

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#158016 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists are believers.
And baldness is a hair color

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#158017 Mar 3, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Life on Earth evolved from a universal common ancestor approximately 3.8 billion years ago."
Prove it.
What life was there on Earth 3.8 billion years ago?

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