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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157982 Mar 3, 2013
Yes the body can and is shown to do this.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...

See I provided a working link, neat eh?

Here we see even theist scientists admit neurochemistry and personal psychology shape a person's NDE.

Now about those green leafy vegetables and a treadmill....
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's brilliant, Moron.
Let's compare your brilliant analysis with the Christian neurosurgeon and neuroendocrinologist that ACTUALLY HAD THE HALLUCINATION!
It's simple, The body did it.
You are correct.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157983 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Self admitted Christian and he doesn't even try to hide this. You quivering man-boobs and spare tires that shake with rage during your temper tantrums doesn't change this.
Next up green leafy vegetables are good for you!
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Eben Alexander did not believe in God before his near-death-experience. He said so. He said so before; he said so after.

But you know more about it than he does?

You also know more about neuroscience than he does? He's a neurosurgeon, with advanced training in neuroendocrinology. But you know more about brain function and NDEs than he does?

Question: Was Thomas Jefferson a "christian"?

(After you answer, I will show you the relevance to the present discussion. It will illustrate clearly why you are wrong, and also, it will make you look stupid. I will enjoy that part.)

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157984 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes the body can and is shown to do this.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
See I provided a working link, neat eh?
Here we see even theist scientists admit neurochemistry and personal psychology shape a person's NDE.
Now about those green leafy vegetables and a treadmill....
<quoted text>
No, the body has never been shown to do this.

The theories in your link have been debunked by science.

Nice job providing a link, though. Too bad it's crap.

I published an article myself showing 10 reasons the Nelson hypothesis (U. of Kentucky) of REM Intrusion is false, and is not supported by the evidence. Nelson's theory is stupid on its face.

Now you can go back to Googling "Debunking NDEs".

Great work, chump.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157985 Mar 3, 2013
But you actually didn't even have an NDE right geriatric Dave? You just got knocked out and had a goofy dream/ hallucination. Boxers experience those all the time. You like them suffered brain damage that lingers on sadly.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your mental issues are revealed in the quality of your posts.
Let me guess. You started using drugs other than marijuana around age 14.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157986 Mar 3, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your mental issues are revealed in the quality of your posts.
Let me guess. You started using drugs other than marijuana around age 14.
Yes, he did. That's also when he started experimenting with poking foreign objects up his ass.

By "foreign", I mean foreign to his ass. They most likely were made in America, or China.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#157987 Mar 3, 2013
atheists dont have a clue wrote:
<quoted text>You don't think that Buck is that stupid, do you?
Yes.

I do.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157988 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes the body can and is shown to do this.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
See I provided a working link, neat eh?
Here we see even theist scientists admit neurochemistry and personal psychology shape a person's NDE.
Now about those green leafy vegetables and a treadmill....
<quoted text>
You never answered my question about what you have your degree in.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157989 Mar 3, 2013
Argument from authority logical fallacy doesn't trump observable data. Also I am not here to school you on history, science and math this is not the free tutoring forum.

NDEs are a natural occurrence and can be replicated.

Here's a working link showing that! Neat!

http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-m...

Time to grow up Buck as your gut has grown out.

Have an Obi Wan moment... Use the treadmill Buck. Step away from the buffet Buck. Become one with te green leafy vegetables Buck.

Would you prefer I call you portly, rubenesque, or chubby?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Eben Alexander did not believe in God before his near-death-experience. He said so. He said so before; he said so after.
But you know more about it than he does?
You also know more about neuroscience than he does? He's a neurosurgeon, with advanced training in neuroendocrinology. But you know more about brain function and NDEs than he does?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#157990 Mar 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Eben Alexander did not believe in God before his near-death-experience. He said so. He said so before; he said so after.

But you know more about it than he does?

You also know more about neuroscience than he does? He's a neurosurgeon, with advanced training in neuroendocrinology. But you know more about brain function and NDEs than he does?

Question: Was Thomas Jefferson a "christian"?

(After you answer, I will show you the relevance to the present discussion. It will illustrate clearly why you are wrong, and also, it will make you look stupid. I will enjoy that part.)
From what I know of Jefferson, I would say that he was a Christian.

However, he was a rational Christian (oxymoron that that is) in that he discarded ALL of the magical woo and the entirety of the bible outside of the pittance of humanist philosophy he could find in it.

Present day Christians would do well to follow his lead in that regard.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157991 Mar 3, 2013
You've ran from several of my questions yet demand I answer yours? Lol so silly!

Which degree do you want to hear about? I am also currently working on learning Pashto, interesting language.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You never answered my question about what you have your degree in.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157992 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
But you actually didn't even have an NDE right geriatric Dave? You just got knocked out and had a goofy dream/ hallucination. Boxers experience those all the time. You like them suffered brain damage that lingers on sadly.
<quoted text>
No. Boxers do not experience them all the time.

I have knocked out a number of people. Not one of them ever described it as a spiritual experience.

Tell us, have you been knocked out? Do you take knock-out drops?

Your terminology betrays an elementary school grasp of these discussions.

When you were knocked out, is that the point where you went insane?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157993 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
But you actually didn't even have an NDE right geriatric Dave? You just got knocked out and had a goofy dream/ hallucination. Boxers experience those all the time. You like them suffered brain damage that lingers on sadly.
<quoted text>
You are one of those that believe being obnoxious is a sign of being intelligent. That is a pathology. And why you don't present real thinking, just references to the works of others, insinuating they support your thinking.

You never told us what your degree was in. Let me guess, your years of experience working in hospitals was as an orderly or bedpan washer?

There is on every important aspect of NDEs, and dreams, that removes just chemical disruptions as the cause. The translocation of sense of self. Where you are. You can be hanging upside down physcially, but your consciousness isn't. The effects of gravity, blood flow and all other sensory inputs to the brain wouldn't allow for that free roaming.

What is your degree in?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157994 Mar 3, 2013
Yes boxers have the same experiences. Dave was knocked loopy not even an NDE. The only thing you knock out is another plate at the buffet Chubbins, nobody is impressed.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Boxers do not experience them all the time.
I have knocked out a number of people. Not one of them ever described it as a spiritual experience.
Tell us, have you been knocked out? Do you take knock-out drops?
Your terminology betrays an elementary school grasp of these discussions.
When you were knocked out, is that the point where you went insane?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157995 Mar 3, 2013
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?

Lmfao!

Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)

Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.

So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are one of those that believe being obnoxious is a sign of being intelligent. That is a pathology. And why you don't present real thinking, just references to the works of others, insinuating they support your thinking.
You never told us what your degree was in. Let me guess, your years of experience working in hospitals was as an orderly or bedpan washer?
There is on every important aspect of NDEs, and dreams, that removes just chemical disruptions as the cause. The translocation of sense of self. Where you are. You can be hanging upside down physcially, but your consciousness isn't. The effects of gravity, blood flow and all other sensory inputs to the brain wouldn't allow for that free roaming.
What is your degree in?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157996 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes boxers have the same experiences. Dave was knocked loopy not even an NDE. The only thing you knock out is another plate at the buffet Chubbins, nobody is impressed.
<quoted text>
No one is impressed by you, in a positive fashion.

Explain how your consciousness can be in one place looking back or at something other than where your body is when your very consciousness is dependent upon the physical forces working on your body for you to even sit up? How can the consciousness completely shut off the physical?

What was your degree in, again?

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#157997 Mar 3, 2013
atheists dont have a clue wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't think that Buck is that stupid, do you?
YES.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157998 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?
Lmfao!
Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)
Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.
So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
<quoted text>
As the pressure builds your obnoxiousness increases. You have no rational base.

You present no real insights. Only vague references to the works of others. You are existing in a virtual reality produced by your mind alone.

What is your degree in? Should only take a few words at the most. Instead you will come up with more obnoxiousness.

It goes with the pathology.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#157999 Mar 3, 2013
Oops sorry Dave this post was aimed at your future bride Buck, but seriously if you care for Buck you should encourage him to lose a lot weight for his health. You could go with him as moral support so he has a better chance of succeeding.
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?
Lmfao!
Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)
Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.
So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
<quoted text>
Imhotep

Deltona, FL

#158000 Mar 3, 2013
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you!:-)
That's what i'm saying. We should all have pleasant, intellectual, fun discussions! We need to try to understand each other, if we really know what's good for us!
We can't say all atheists r good and all religious people r bad or vice versa. We gotta understand good and bad people can be from any race, culture, country, belief etc...
You are in good company! ;)

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true.... Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." ~Albert Einstein

"I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
~Albert Einstein

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#158001 Mar 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again NDEs are a naturally occurring phenomenon. We can even recreate them. Hey weren't you saying you had a phd in microbiology?
Lmfao!
Again which degree do you want to hear about? I have discussed it before go looking at my posts along with your future husband Dave. It can be a fun game for you two :)
Now Buck speaking of that I am worried that even though Dave is decades older than you it will be him burying your from a heart attack or stroke. We don't want to see sad Dave wiping tears as he buries his Chunky bride. You could experience an NDE where you were strapped to a treadmill forced to run on it until you lost weight! And the only food to eat was garden salads! Scary stuff for you Buck, try not to have nightmares.
So Dave needs to get you to a doctor and on a diet an exercise program okay?
<quoted text>
No NDE has ever been recreated. Not one.

Refuting you is getting too easy, and boring.

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