Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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Feb 28, 2013
 
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Not really. That is my honest opinion.
I really doubt that. Are you looking for Shiva or the tooth fairy but don't know where to look? See how silly that is?

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Feb 28, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Not really. That is my honest opinion.
Forgot to add:

Moreover, do you REALLY think anyone who was looking for the Christian God doesn't know where to go? Come on.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've been to many school football games, many City Hall meetings, Realtor meetings & several school celebrations/ceremonies.
ALL of them started with a prayer. Everyone participated, but everyone didn't have to.
That it happens doesn't mean it's supposed to. It only stops if someone complains about it.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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No, you are right. They are free to pray in private, or form private religious groups. We still agree.
Can I put away my card now?

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Feb 28, 2013
 
:sigh: So the US and Romania?:shakes head:
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ID is banned from UK curriculums - about the only country that gives it any credence (aside from a fringe element in the USA) is Rumania.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
I really doubt that. Are you looking for Shiva or the tooth fairy but don't know where to look? See how silly that is?
No that's not what I meant.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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Forgot to add:
Moreover, do you REALLY think anyone who was looking for the Christian God doesn't know where to go? Come on.
No, I don't.

Where would you go?

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Feb 28, 2013
 
Yet when that Satanist soldier wanted a satanist head stone his family had a huge fight over that. Fair? It was his wishes and he died for our country so shouldn't the Christholes have shut up and let him have it?
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Im in agreement with what you are saying but with some exceptions.
Crosses on military graves for example should remain.
Because someone is of a Christian faith does not stop their right to participate in government at all levels and vote. The preamble of the Constitution says,We the People.
That means all people including Atheist, Christians and people of other cultures and faith.
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Feb 28, 2013
 

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The Topix atheist intellectual contributions to this forum, and others, relevant to religion, existence, or the topic of this thread.
"Christhole"
"Religiturd"
"Yourtoostoopidtoundersta ndbecauseyouareatheist"
"Butwhatabout (fill in blank)"
"Science says"
[fill in blank] says"
"It's all natural processes"(as in what they read in a book)
With intellectual development like that they don't need no faith. Just ask them.
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the Devil made me do this...

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___ Newspaper
___ Bible
___ Torah
___ Book of Mormon
___ Koran
___ Divine inspiration
___ Dead Sea Scrolls
___ My mama done tol' me
___ Near-death experience
___ Near-life experience
___ National Public Radio
___ Tabloid
___ Burning shrubbery
___ Other (specify):________

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___ Jehovah
___ Jesus
___ Krishna
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___ Allah
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and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes?
___ Yes
___ No

If no, please describe the problems you initially encountered here. Please
indicate all that apply:
___ Not eternal
___ Finite in space/Does not occupy or inhabit the entire cosmos
___ Not omniscient
___ Not omnipotent
___ Not infinitely plastic (incapable of being all things to all creations)
___ Permits sex outside of marriage
___ Prohibits sex outside of marriage
___ Makes mistakes (Geraldo Rivera, Jesse Helms)
___ Makes or permits bad things to happen to good people
___ When beseeched, doesn't stay beseeched
___ Requires burnt offerings
___ Requires virgin sacrifices
___ Plays dice with the universe

4. What factors were relevant in your decision to acquire a Deity? Please
check all that apply.
___ Indoctrinated by parents
___ Needed a reason to live
___ Indoctrinated by society
___ Needed focus in whom to despise
___ Imaginary friend grew up
___ Wanted to know Jesus in the Biblical sense
___ Graduated from the tooth fairy
___ Hate to think for myself
___ Wanted to meet girls/boys
___ Fear of death
___ Wanted to piss off parents
___ Needed a day away from work
___ Desperate need for certainty
___ Like organ music
___ Need to feel morally superior
___ Thought Jerry Falwell was cool
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Please check all that apply.
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___ The radical right
___ Ra
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Feb 28, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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That it happens doesn't mean it's supposed to. It only stops if someone complains about it.
You can't stop it.

It's not being sponsored by the school or city. It's being sponsored by individuals with freedom of religion.

Just because some atheist complains about it doesn't mean anything.

I really thought the opening prayer in City Hall town meetings was great.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
Slam dunk icon needed :)
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We don't have strings, magnets and fart bubbles.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
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Yet when that Satanist soldier wanted a satanist head stone his family had a huge fight over that. Fair? It was his wishes and he died for our country so shouldn't the Christholes have shut up and let him have it?
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What Satanist soldier?

That only tells you he has a shallow family and selfish, nothing else.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
http://www.middlesborodailynews.com/view/full...

You excel at always being wrong ya?

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You can't stop it.
It's not being sponsored by the school or city. It's being sponsored by individuals with freedom of religion.
Just because some atheist complains about it doesn't mean anything.
I really thought the opening prayer in City Hall town meetings was great.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
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You excel at always being wrong ya?
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LMAO, you really think they stopped? They were only "recommended" to stop, not forced to. I guarantee you they're still praying.

That damn Freedom From Religion Foundation group... They tried to get a cross removed in Riverside, a city icon that's been there since like 1907. They failed.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, I don't.
Where would you go?
I would go wherever the objective evidence led me.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You can't stop it.
It's not being sponsored by the school or city. It's being sponsored by individuals with freedom of religion.
Just because some atheist complains about it doesn't mean anything.
I really thought the opening prayer in City Hall town meetings was great.
That's incorrect. In fact, there was a recent instance in the news of an atheist student who complained about prayer-led football games at her high-school, and they had to stop. Naturally Christ-like death-threats ensued (to be fair, only from a few nitwits). If someone complained about the led-prayers at city hall, they'd stop.

You do have freedom of religion, you don't have the freedom to foist your religion on others via the government, which is what happens when city hall starts with a public prayer. Personally I myself would probably not complain as it would be too much time/trouble, which is evidently how all the other non-Christians feel at your city hall.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
They and hundreds of others have stopped. I could post link after link but under you lack the IQ and reading comprehension.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO, you really think they stopped? They were only "recommended" to stop, not forced to. I guarantee you they're still praying.
That damn Freedom From Religion Foundation group... They tried to get a cross removed in Riverside, a city icon that's been there since like 1907. They failed.

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#157257
Feb 28, 2013
 
Oh look! Another soldier killed in action for our country denied his religious symbols of choice because of you Christholes.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f...

You think this is fair?
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What Satanist soldier?
That only tells you he has a shallow family and selfish, nothing else.

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wilderide wrote:
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That's incorrect. In fact, there was a recent instance in the news of an atheist student who complained about prayer-led football games at her high-school, and they had to stop. Naturally Christ-like death-threats ensued (to be fair, only from a few nitwits). If someone complained about the led-prayers at city hall, they'd stop.
You do have freedom of religion, you don't have the freedom to foist your religion on others via the government, which is what happens when city hall starts with a public prayer. Personally I myself would probably not complain as it would be too much time/trouble, which is evidently how all the other non-Christians feel at your city hall.
I really don't understand what some people (atheists) have against a peaceful prayer. Why do they try to stop it?

It's not like if they hear an actual prayer they're gonna magically turn Christian.

Usually those kind of public prayers, outside of church, simply ask for guidance & wisdom.

What's the big deal?

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Oh look! Another soldier killed in action for our country denied his religious symbols of choice because of you Christholes.
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f...
You think this is fair?
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You stupid shit, did you even read that link??

First, this was NOT about what's on his "grave stone". The actual fuss was about a memorial wall the VA is putting up.

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But those wishing to honor Stewart, who should have his name on the memorial wall at the Northern Nevada Veterans Memorial Cemetery in Fernley, 34 miles east of Reno, would have a difficult time doing so.

Second, the soldier didn't request anything. It's his wife who is making all the fuss.

Third, this so-called religion is Wicca. Which symbol? Does she get to decide which symbol all Wiccans must use. Currently there is no symbol recognized universally for Wicca.

EVERY religion or non religion must have an approved symbol. There is even one for atheism. This is NOT the VA that is disallowing anything. They are just following their laws.

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