Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#157253 Feb 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
http://www.middlesborodailynews.com/view/full...
You excel at always being wrong ya?
:)
LMAO, you really think they stopped? They were only "recommended" to stop, not forced to. I guarantee you they're still praying.

That damn Freedom From Religion Foundation group... They tried to get a cross removed in Riverside, a city icon that's been there since like 1907. They failed.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#157254 Feb 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, I don't.
Where would you go?
I would go wherever the objective evidence led me.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#157255 Feb 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You can't stop it.
It's not being sponsored by the school or city. It's being sponsored by individuals with freedom of religion.
Just because some atheist complains about it doesn't mean anything.
I really thought the opening prayer in City Hall town meetings was great.
That's incorrect. In fact, there was a recent instance in the news of an atheist student who complained about prayer-led football games at her high-school, and they had to stop. Naturally Christ-like death-threats ensued (to be fair, only from a few nitwits). If someone complained about the led-prayers at city hall, they'd stop.

You do have freedom of religion, you don't have the freedom to foist your religion on others via the government, which is what happens when city hall starts with a public prayer. Personally I myself would probably not complain as it would be too much time/trouble, which is evidently how all the other non-Christians feel at your city hall.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#157256 Feb 28, 2013
They and hundreds of others have stopped. I could post link after link but under you lack the IQ and reading comprehension.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO, you really think they stopped? They were only "recommended" to stop, not forced to. I guarantee you they're still praying.
That damn Freedom From Religion Foundation group... They tried to get a cross removed in Riverside, a city icon that's been there since like 1907. They failed.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#157257 Feb 28, 2013
Oh look! Another soldier killed in action for our country denied his religious symbols of choice because of you Christholes.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f...

You think this is fair?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What Satanist soldier?
That only tells you he has a shallow family and selfish, nothing else.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#157258 Feb 28, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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That's incorrect. In fact, there was a recent instance in the news of an atheist student who complained about prayer-led football games at her high-school, and they had to stop. Naturally Christ-like death-threats ensued (to be fair, only from a few nitwits). If someone complained about the led-prayers at city hall, they'd stop.
You do have freedom of religion, you don't have the freedom to foist your religion on others via the government, which is what happens when city hall starts with a public prayer. Personally I myself would probably not complain as it would be too much time/trouble, which is evidently how all the other non-Christians feel at your city hall.
I really don't understand what some people (atheists) have against a peaceful prayer. Why do they try to stop it?

It's not like if they hear an actual prayer they're gonna magically turn Christian.

Usually those kind of public prayers, outside of church, simply ask for guidance & wisdom.

What's the big deal?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#157259 Feb 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh look! Another soldier killed in action for our country denied his religious symbols of choice because of you Christholes.
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f...
You think this is fair?
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You stupid shit, did you even read that link??

First, this was NOT about what's on his "grave stone". The actual fuss was about a memorial wall the VA is putting up.

quote:
But those wishing to honor Stewart, who should have his name on the memorial wall at the Northern Nevada Veterans Memorial Cemetery in Fernley, 34 miles east of Reno, would have a difficult time doing so.

Second, the soldier didn't request anything. It's his wife who is making all the fuss.

Third, this so-called religion is Wicca. Which symbol? Does she get to decide which symbol all Wiccans must use. Currently there is no symbol recognized universally for Wicca.

EVERY religion or non religion must have an approved symbol. There is even one for atheism. This is NOT the VA that is disallowing anything. They are just following their laws.

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#157260 Feb 28, 2013
Well said and nothing drives Christholes into a murderous rage like saying not everyone wants their religion forced down their throat.
wilderide wrote:
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That's incorrect. In fact, there was a recent instance in the news of an atheist student who complained about prayer-led football games at her high-school, and they had to stop. Naturally Christ-like death-threats ensued (to be fair, only from a few nitwits). If someone complained about the led-prayers at city hall, they'd stop.
You do have freedom of religion, you don't have the freedom to foist your religion on others via the government, which is what happens when city hall starts with a public prayer. Personally I myself would probably not complain as it would be too much time/trouble, which is evidently how all the other non-Christians feel at your city hall.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#157261 Feb 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
They and hundreds of others have stopped. I could post link after link but under you lack the IQ and reading comprehension.
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Too bad that link after link I'd prove your stupid ass wrong.

I know you wanna stop the evil act of prayer, but you can't. The Constitution says you can't.

HA !

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#157262 Feb 28, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution doesn't hate anything, ya halfwit.
And your second sentence, well, makes no sense.
Of course it does.

The very nature and essence of natural selection is to select only the best, the strongest, and those that benefit the whole species.

Ergo, no petty desires that do not benefit the whole species allowed.

Anthropology 101, the human species builds its traditions and morals on evolutionary principles, which is why they are universe in every advanced civilization where the same virtues and morals can be found.

My, you atheists are disappointing when it comes to the intellect.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#157263 Feb 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You state this yet provide none. Shock shock. That's because there is none.
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Wrong.

The case for Jesus has been challenged, and successfully defended for 2000 years. It was attacked when Christianity was still fresh, and all failed to discredit it.

There is plenty of secular evidence. No Christian, EVER, had to defend his faith, or explain this to you. Only you have the burden of proving all the evidence false in history. Good luck!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157264 Feb 28, 2013
Wow a soldier dies in service to our country and you think it's okay for him to be denied on his headstone.

Sorry but if a solider gives their life in service to our country I say he/she can have any symbol they or their loved ones wish on the headstone. The headstone is a memorial and comfort to the family first and next friends and associates. The soldier and family should have the freedom to say what that should be. Not angry bigoted jackasses like you.

Your bigotry and intolerance is stunning and a prime example why I call your ilk Christholes.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Third, this so-called religion is Wicca. Which symbol? Does she get to decide which symbol all Wiccans must use. Currently there is no symbol recognized universally for Wicca.
EVERY religion or non religion must have an approved symbol. There is even one for atheism. This is NOT the VA that is disallowing anything. They are just following their laws.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#157265 Feb 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So hitler killing all those Jews who he dubbed Christ killers was a good thing in your eyes. Just like a family member dying of cancer sparked the cancer treatment center?
This just goes why Christianity is the worst possible form of morality imaginable.
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Evidently, I have to repost again, because you didn't read it the first time, or you are mentally challenged.

Typical ignorance.
Christianity 101. All that is evil can only exist by an act of free will. This does not negate the power God may exercise to make something good emerge from a tragedy.
Just as family members who might lose a loved one to cancer, to make something good turn out of it by starting a new cancer-aware program.
A logical atheists would know this, and would not make this error. A rational atheists takes the time to learn the theology, before making such foolish remarks.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#157266 Feb 28, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Oh, great! Another subset to the WAG family! "evolution also hates" How do you come up with this shit?
Logic

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#157267 Feb 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are neither rational nor logical, and you have no idea what those even mean. You are deluded into thinking your imaginary friend is real in spite of being unable to present any real evidence that it is more than imagination.
False.

All science suggests design, not accident, in the universe. The evidence is abundant, which is why humanity has always sought who this designer was.

Or, are you making the bold claim that humanity is universally stupid and superstitious?:)

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#157268 Feb 28, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Sorry Iím late on this, been a little preoccupied with work projects.
I am happy with my grasp of reality and so are billions of other people happy with theirs. Your Davesworld dreams donít actually count as reality in the real world.
Numbers are inventions of man and they are used to help explain what once was unexplainable, without just 2 of those numbers (0 and 1) you would not have been able to post your comment, just imagine how powerful an almost infinite number of numbers can be.
However to make the guess that goddidt with no evidence as backup is a little delusional even by the high standards you place on delusion.
Thanks for the smooch but I prefer to know where the people I kiss have been
Numbers were invented to be able to tell how many kids you have. heheheh

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

SŲdertšlje, Sweden

#157269 Feb 28, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Ahhh Good one Comrade Mikko, Stalin would be so proud.
hitler would be proud of you!

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#157270 Feb 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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You have *got* to be kidding. Many things are not intended for children: driving, drinking alcohol, drinking coffee, entering into contracts, etc. I don't have sex with my wife in front of children, but that doesn't mean I am ashamed of doing so.
Your 'universal moral standard' is laughable.
Not kidding at all, nor do you seem to be paying attention.

Everything you listed are things we teach children, and prepare them for. There is no shame in any of that.

But you claim you would not be slightly embarrassed letting your kids watch you have sex with your wife?

How about getting so drunk you vomit on yourself?

How about getting stoned?

How about letting them see an orgy with your wife? Or, seeing you have sex with someone else other than your wife, perhaps even another male?

Sorry, children are indeed a universal measuring stick for what society deems acceptable. You know I am right, but your ideology and beliefs are getting in the way, aren't they?:)

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157271 Feb 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Not my perspective, just trumpeting (cool eh) what Theists have been insisting on. I pretty much know it's all a load of shit, I was never impressed with magic, and I have player a lot of really good magicians.
After listening to most Theist explain their beliefs I have often wondered that if there was a God thing, why he never included in his "Rules for the Club", the 10 commandments, a commandment ageist being gullible. like...Thou shalt not be credulous. I'm really not surprised after considering all that was left out of these "club rules" Nothing about child abuse or rape, I wonder why??? Could it be thats why Priest think they have free reign with the young. Kind of like the slave owners of the old South seeing nothing wrong with owning another human being since the bible, and therefore their God, fully approved of the practice. Christopher Hitchens was right..."religion poisons everything."
It can. Did yours. Your entire moral woed view is built on one. You wouldn't have those views without its existence.

Wasn't the church that molested the children, it was homosexual predators hiding in it, even though it was against church doctrine. Where was their morality? They sure weren't following that doctrine.

In the beginning slavery saved lives of conquered people. They would have been put to death or starved to death if there wasn't an economic use for them. It was money and greed that created that huge slave trade that was abolished. And there were players from across the whole board involved in that. It was abolished primarily because of religious objections.

Quit pulling stuff out of that package they gave you.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#157272 Feb 28, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Iíve been away from this thread for a while and donít really remember much of the discussion so I did a quick recap. The disagreement seemed to be over the term paradox in relation to the understanding of the universe.
The sciences of cosmologists and theoretical physics are very precise, such misunderstanding of basic terminology can lead to errors. Where the disagreement lies is in the nitty gritty of understanding, not in the whole sort of general mish mash
The disagreement is that you think we have it all figured out, when clearly we do not. There are many paradox right now and they are just the way that it is. We explain things as best as possible but are still lost when it come to conclusion about the universe as a whole.

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