Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle12 wrote:
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That’s you personal opinion that you believe as fact.
ID isn't science and that's a fact.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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Intelligent Design theorists are not Creationists.
Which one are you against? Make up your mind.
If you don't know the difference, shut your stupid mouth about it.
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ID is embarrassing when I travel outside the USA or am around my international friends who all laugh at the idiots who made up ID and argue for it. Gosh it makes Americans look stupid and I have to remind people only morons fall for that crap.
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ID isn't science and that's a fact.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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The two largest Creationist groups in the world, Answers in Genesis and The Institute for Creation Research....
REJECT INTELLIGENT DESIGN.
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Isn't this the the pot calling the kettle black???
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Feb 28, 2013
 
Most christians over here accept Evolution, compartmentalise it and get on with their lives.

ID is for the embarassing toddlers that are still screaming "no no no!"
Givemeliberty wrote:
ID is embarrassing when I travel outside the USA or am around my international friends who all laugh at the idiots who made up ID and argue for it. Gosh it makes Americans look stupid and I have to remind people only morons fall for that crap.
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Feb 28, 2013
 
Thinking wrote:
Most christians over here accept Evolution, compartmentalise it and get on with their lives.
ID is for the embarassing toddlers that are still screaming "no no no!"
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IDiot.... hummm that seems about right.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Intelligent Design is just as much fact as non-intelligent design.
But you favor the latter?
Gee, I wonder why.....
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Kids are open minded creatures. What does it hurt if they hear both sides and decide for themselves? We are talking about theories in creation and how we all came about. Is it such a crime for kids to make their own determination?
But when it comes to teaching intelligent design we are not talking a religion but Science. Since when has a debate in science been a bad thing?
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Feb 28, 2013
 
Eagle12 wrote:
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"We don't care about it's religious content, it just cannot be taught as fact. Especially in science class."
I’m like you in that I believe in separation in church and state.
However Intelligent Design is not about a religion as it is about science.
A good healthy debate in a science class is not a bad thing for science.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Most atheists would agree with you.
Topix atheists are a different breed.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You promote teaching ToE.
There is much speculation & assumption in that particular theory.
There is ZERO evidence that all life on this planet came from one life. But you promote that assumption to America's youth as if its fact.
You know!!“cdesign proponentsists”
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So what?
Some Christians endorse Darwinism. Some science professors in Baptist and Catholic colleges endorse Darwinism.
Is Darwinism creationism, then? No.
All christians believe the universe was designed. Some of them specifically support Intelligent Design Theory; some do not. Some Intelligent Design Theorists are christian; some are not. Some are not even theists. Some Darwinist scientists are christian; some are not.
None of that goes to show ID is creationism.
So far you're batting "0".
Best Explanation?

Abductive Reasoning yields only probable truth, and yet it doesn't attempt to predict specific future, probable occurrences the way inductive reasoning does. Rather, it seeks to provide the most plausible broad, explanatory hypothesis.

Diagnosticians: moving from facts or data or events to a coherent, plausible explanation.
Detectives: evidence theory
Historians: facts explanations
Scientists: data hypothesis
Physicians: symptoms diagnosis
Mechanics: problem solution

Abductive reasoning can be helpful in efforts to determine which argument for a given event is best.

I use an abductive approach to decide which explanation best settles the controversy surrounding these two provocative apologetics issues:

1. What is the best explanation for Jesus Christ's true identity? Was He man, myth, madman, menace, mystic, Martian, or messiah?

2. What is the best explanation for complex life on planet Earth? Was it more likely the result of divine creation or naturalistic evolution?
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Eagle12 wrote:
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The fight is against something you believe doesn’t exist.
Your not fighting the belief UFO’s exist.
Nor are you asking the elimination of the tooth fairy.
Your not going to war against Dracula.
Your not fighting the elimination of Santa.
You are not fighting the people who say we didn’t land men on the moon.
But you are fighting against God. God must be real or you wouldn’t be fighting so hard.
Thanks for the reply, Eagle12.

A Topix exchange of views isn't 'so hard' and I don't see it as fight. I was using the language of your post.

I simply confront ignorance. If one only believes anything as far as the belief can be justified by reason and evidence, it is no problem to change one's mind. It is when one invests too much that something is true or correct that one has a problem changing one's view. Acts of faith and religious dogma that insist on irrational things being sacred or non-negotiable impede people changing their minds.

Resisting change unreasonably is 'un-USAmerican' too. It would be better for the USA (and therefore the world) if the USA remained innovative and abandoned religiously fundamentalist dogma like:'Jesus was sent by a god and died for our sins'. He was just another prophet of a religion - one that ancient Rome found politically advantageous to promote. Obvious nonsense should be seen for what it is.

Even facts change with time. Once it obvious that the world was flat. "Any fool" could see that for themselves. It is obvious now that Abrahamic gods are no longer tennible, but it takes time and effort to get such 'radical'(and for some people, counter-intuitive) discoveries accepted by the general population.

The USA overcame prejudice against women, blacks, gays. Now it's time to overcome all prejudice and hostility to atheism.

Religion = superstition
Get over it.

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Feb 28, 2013
 
Speaking of ingnorance, I meant 'tenable', not tennible!(I can never be bothered with spellchecker!:-)

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Feb 28, 2013
 
I have an Aussie buddy who is a Methodist minister of all things and he face palms at ID! Yes a Methodist Minister in Australia Lols at ID and accepts the proven science of evolution!
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Most christians over here accept Evolution, compartmentalise it and get on with their lives.
ID is for the embarassing toddlers that are still screaming "no no no!"
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/27/world/europe/ru...

Waves, harmonics. Instruments sensitive enough to pick up frequencies we weren't designed to. One little rock. Felt all over the planet. Think of all the other energies occurring all of the time.

The earth is not as "solid" as you think.

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Atheism is a belief system developed by those needing support for their personal ego's wish to believe they are the best thing that could be created. Out of the magic mist come they.

Belief in the facts they follow a blueprint, and their glorious selves emerged into a pre-made existence architecture is just not allowed. It deprecates their self worth.

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A perfect example of the insanity that has infected this country.

Where does he go when he is 15? Where does he go when he gets old enough to go in by himself? In a WalMart, an airport, a MacDonald's?

All of this demand because of a confused 6 year old boy.

Simple enough. No more communal restrooms. All individual. Maybe a communal handwashing area and makeup mirrors.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/news /ci_22684170/transgender-1st-g rader-must-wait-ruling-use-sch ool
A perfect example of the insanity that has infected this country.
Where does he go when he is 15? Where does he go when he gets old enough to go in by himself? In a WalMart, an airport, a MacDonald's?
All of this demand because of a confused 6 year old boy.
Simple enough. No more communal restrooms. All individual. Maybe a communal handwashing area and makeup mirrors.
Back in the "old days" that kid woulda' just toughed it out like you did, huh, Dave.

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I do.
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