Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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#157095 Feb 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Intelligent design is a hoax, deliberately perpetrated.
You don't know that, you only think that.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#157097 Feb 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Then we agree to disagree, that's ok though because most all cosmologists and theoretical physicists do.
Never in history have all of them agreed on anything.lol
Iíve been away from this thread for a while and donít really remember much of the discussion so I did a quick recap. The disagreement seemed to be over the term paradox in relation to the understanding of the universe.

The sciences of cosmologists and theoretical physics are very precise, such misunderstanding of basic terminology can lead to errors. Where the disagreement lies is in the nitty gritty of understanding, not in the whole sort of general mish mash

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157098 Feb 28, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a perfect example of an Atheist that DOES believe there is no God.
Not an atheist that has an absence of all believe.
Merriam-Webster
athe¬∑ist\ňąńĀ-thńď-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
Point proven thanks Aerobatty!
To easy.
I don't speak for all atheists.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157099 Feb 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You make some remarkably pitiful attempts at looking intelligent.
ROTFLMMFAO!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157100 Feb 28, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Iím talking about what you are fighting against. Youíre fighting something that you say doesnít exist. I donít believe in the tooth fairy. You donít seem me fighting the tooth fairy. You claim you donít believe in God. Yet you are fighting like hell against God.
What in the hell is wrong with you? Do you believe in God or donít you?
Religion exists.

Dummy.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#157101 Feb 28, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for the reply, Eagle12.
A Topix exchange of views isn't 'so hard' and I don't see it as fight. I was using the language of your post.
I simply confront ignorance. If one only believes anything as far as the belief can be justified by reason and evidence, it is no problem to change one's mind. It is when one invests too much that something is true or correct that one has a problem changing one's view. Acts of faith and religious dogma that insist on irrational things being sacred or non-negotiable impede people changing their minds.
Resisting change unreasonably is 'un-USAmerican' too. It would be better for the USA (and therefore the world) if the USA remained innovative and abandoned religiously fundamentalist dogma like:'Jesus was sent by a god and died for our sins'. He was just another prophet of a religion - one that ancient Rome found politically advantageous to promote. Obvious nonsense should be seen for what it is.
Even facts change with time. Once it obvious that the world was flat. "Any fool" could see that for themselves. It is obvious now that Abrahamic gods are no longer tennible, but it takes time and effort to get such 'radical'(and for some people, counter-intuitive) discoveries accepted by the general population.
The USA overcame prejudice against women, blacks, gays. Now it's time to overcome all prejudice and hostility to atheism.
Religion = superstition
Get over it.
Your and You're...
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You 're-and-Your
ďabandoned religiously fundamentalist dogma like:'Jesus was sent by a god and died for our sins'ď

Our Nation,(United States) was founded on the principle of Freedom of Religion. Freedom is the cornerstone of our society. What you are suggesting is taking away our freedom. A practice that has been done before in places like China and the Soviet Union.

Even where you live thereís Freedom of Religion. I say start with your own country. Abandon Freedom and make it mandatory to be Atheist. Letís see how that goes with the population.

Good luck Comrade EdSed.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157102 Feb 28, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The fight is against something you believe doesnít exist.
Your not fighting the belief UFOís exist.
Nor are you asking the elimination of the tooth fairy.
Your not going to war against Dracula.
Your not fighting the elimination of Santa.
You are not fighting the people who say we didnít land men on the moon.
But you are fighting against God. God must be real or you wouldnít be fighting so hard.
Religion exists.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157103 Feb 28, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Iím late on this, been a little preoccupied with work projects.
I am happy with my grasp of reality and so are billions of other people happy with theirs. Your Davesworld dreams donít actually count as reality in the real world.
Numbers are inventions of man and they are used to help explain what once was unexplainable, without just 2 of those numbers (0 and 1) you would not have been able to post your comment, just imagine how powerful an almost infinite number of numbers can be.
However to make the guess that goddidt with no evidence as backup is a little delusional even by the high standards you place on delusion.
Thanks for the smooch but I prefer to know where the people I kiss have been
The girl is back in all her glory.

Of course you would be happy with your grasp of reality. It is part of the pathology.

You are right about the inventions of man. He couldn't have invented them unless there was something to count.

However, there is a slipping into darkness by those that use them too much. They begin to worship them as entities.

I posted recently about modern math/physics being just another sect of number worshipers. A modern day Kabbalah.

It is curious how these Topix atheists have traits and attitudes of past civilizations. That Kabbalah, wanting to watch lions and Christians, and a few other archaic beliefs.

Christianity set the stage for modern science. Under it the greatest advances were made. Then these archaic thinkers hijacked science.

I don't think you are really concerned about where those lips have been. I think you are too impulsive to give it thought.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#157104 Feb 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, OK.
Partial schizophrenia.
The conservative creationists do pooh pooh intelligent design.
They're like the Tea Party Christians.
But the "big tent" Christians endorse it.
"pooh pooh?"

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157105 Feb 28, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You probably can find something in the school libraries about the ďTooth Fairy and many other fictional characters.
But a Bible is forbidden? You claim itís fiction then why isnít it allowed in Schools like all the other fiction books?
You may say because it has religious contents. So does Harry Potter.
As far as Priest sexually violating young boys. The Bible talks about a great whore in Revelation 17. Do you know who this is being depicted?
Thereís one city throughout history known as the city of 7 hills. That city is Rome.
Thereís a lot of good honest people in the Catholic Church. But their leadership from Rome on down is packed with pedophiles that should have been arrested, prosecuted. I donít believe in vigilantism. I also donít believe criminals going free.
Local law enforcement has failed to do their job on this matter all across the country including the FBI. For many fled to avoid being prosecuted.
As long as the bible were presented as fiction, the only problem I would have with it being in schools is that it's a monumentally tedious and poorly written "book". It would waste the time that could be used reading better material.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#157106 Feb 28, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Darwinian evolution depends on life arising spontaneously.
They have to believe in chemical evolution to life. They work on duplicating it in laboratories every day.
No luck yet.
Abiogenesis and evolution are different things Abiogenesis deals with the origin of life and evolution deals with changes in existing life.

Chemical, synthetic life has been created and it is shown to evolve
http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/201...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment...

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157107 Feb 28, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Iíve been away from this thread for a while and donít really remember much of the discussion so I did a quick recap. The disagreement seemed to be over the term paradox in relation to the understanding of the universe.
The sciences of cosmologists and theoretical physics are very precise, such misunderstanding of basic terminology can lead to errors. Where the disagreement lies is in the nitty gritty of understanding, not in the whole sort of general mish mash
That is because they are following a carefully constructed script and th logic based upon it. You have to understand this premise before you can understand that one, and the next, and the next, and the next before you get back to the same place. Same as studying Scriptures. With the same belief in the inerrancy of the logic.

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#157108 Feb 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion exists.
Yes it does and it goes with freedom. Freedom of choice and Freedom of religion.

I say you should start a revolution Comrade Aerobatty and throw out freedom and bring in old world Communism.

Viva zeee Revolution Comrade Aerobatty!!!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157109 Feb 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't there any anti-Santa-ers? Anti-Dracula sites? Anti-tooth fairy groups? Etc......
Cuz y'alls is stuck on God.
And of course you haven't read any of the previous responses to this same idiotic question.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157110 Feb 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's been rightfully dismissed.
Anything else you got?(That's not history?)
How has that been rightfully dismissed?

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Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#157112 Feb 28, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
IDiot.... hummm that seems about right.
You just called one on your own side a "Idiot."

I shant not question your judgment in this matter since you do not make mistakes. Anyway who would know better who is an ďIdiotĒ than another ďIdiot.Ē

Good job Homer.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#157113 Feb 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I have an Aussie buddy who is a Methodist minister of all things and he face palms at ID! Yes a Methodist Minister in Australia Lols at ID and accepts the proven science of evolution!
<quoted text>
My best friend is the wife or a Born Again Christian minister, she has a masters degree in theology and is pretty high up in the BAC church hearty. They both shake their heads in wonder at the stupidity of ID.

I am in the same country as Thinking.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#157114 Feb 28, 2013
Numbers.

Here is a truth that our number based atheists will deny, deflect, and dodge.

Their universe is a huge paint by numbers painting.

Something provided the numbers for them to fill in.

Such does not lend to creativity beyond shuffling pieces around and calling it something new and different.

Dull. Very dull. No imagination, no creativity, other than their belief they possess those things.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#157115 Feb 28, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Last time I witnessed you elaborate on the subject, you did not.
I don't know if you've educated yourself since.
Specifically, you could not understand, or chose not to understand, that the Intelligent Design hypothesis does not postulate, nor needs to postulate, nor implies, nor alludes to, nor needs to allude to, a deity.
No.

No deity.

Just an intelligent designer.

Ok, buck.

Back to the restraints for you.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#157116 Feb 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Atheism is a belief system developed by those needing support for their personal ego's wish to believe they are the best thing that could be created. Out of the magic mist come they.
Belief in the facts they follow a blueprint, and their glorious selves emerged into a pre-made existence architecture is just not allowed. It deprecates their self worth.
Projecting again Dave?

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