Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#157053 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Last time I witnessed you elaborate on the subject, you did not.
I don't know if you've educated yourself since.
Specifically, you could not understand, or chose not to understand, that the Intelligent Design hypothesis does not postulate, nor needs to postulate, nor implies, nor alludes to, nor needs to allude to, a deity.
Deity, schmeity.

Intelligent design is a hoax, deliberately perpetrated.

Take it from the Catcher.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157054 Feb 27, 2013
madscot wrote:
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Since it's the framework theory for the field of biology, I'd say it stands pretty well. Now, when you come up with another theory to replace it, you may have a leg to stand on. I won't hold my breath though.
Every scientist who works on Intelligent Design accepts evolution.

Their sin is scientific dissent on a few details.

To stalk and destroy dissenters is not the way science should be done.

The Darwinists' problem with ID is not because they see a threat to science. It's a worldview thing.
It was about time

Redding, CA

#157055 Feb 27, 2013
Didn't take long for them to pile on the attacks to discreedit you personally. I still doubt we see any of them respond to your arguments...Buck

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#157056 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Evolution theory relies on the origin of life being spontaneous abiogenesis. Darwin admitted that himself. To admit otherwise is to admit the non-necessity of the purely material sequence of events.
And evolution may or may not require belief, depending on which definition of "evolution" you are referring to.
There are about 9 definitions in scientific literature. The simplest is "fact". The more elaborate ones are speculative.
The elasticity of the term is what you are utilizing when you present it in black and white terms.
In other fields, that is called "propaganda".

No evolutionary biologist thinks life was spontaneous.
Darwin was right about one thing, the theory grew since him.
the evidence points that he was right about common descent.
No one is sure life began from just one LUCA though.
The latest cutting edge thought is that there may have been 3 that shared DNA/RNA in development. No one is sure there was no exterior intervention. We just can't pin it down yet.
ID maybe true, but nothing has been presented to validate it.
But it is fringe science , unless it can come up with real evidence it will remain so.Personally I haven't ruled out the possibility. Life could be a construct, but without something that points to it. It is like speculation into what was before time.
Fortunately if life is a construct, we should eventually be able to find something that points to it. I have my doubts about that and ever understanding "before time".

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#157057 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Every scientist who works on Intelligent Design accepts evolution.
Their sin is scientific dissent on a few details.
To stalk and destroy dissenters is not the way science should be done.
The Darwinists' problem with ID is not because they see a threat to science. It's a worldview thing.
"A few details."

Yeah, like a god, behind the whole thing.

Dude, it's transparent.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157058 Feb 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Yes, they are the same culprits.
They're in disguise, that's all.
C'mon Buck, don't kid the kidder.
Are they?

The two largest Creationist groups in the world, Answers in Genesis and The Institute for Creation Research....

REJECT INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

John Morris, President, Institute for Creation Research:

“The differences between Biblical creationism and the ID movement should become clear. As an unashamedly Christian/creationist organization, ICR is concerned with the reputation of our God and desires to point all men back to Him. While all creationists necessarily believe in intelligent design, not all ID proponents believe in God. ID is strictly a non-Christian movement, and while ICR values and supports their work, we cannot join them."

Creationist crusader, Ken Hamm: "Intelligent Design is dangerous".

Same culprits? What are you suggesting - mass schizophrenia? Most ID papers and several of their books are DEVASTATING to Christian creationism.

I hope you are more logical in court. I will allow you to go on losing this case for as long as you like.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157059 Feb 27, 2013
And god is what it's really all about. Trying to mix observable science with the transcendental argument.
Catcher1 wrote:
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"A few details."
Yeah, like a god, behind the whole thing.
Dude, it's transparent.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#157060 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Are they?
The two largest Creationist groups in the world, Answers in Genesis and The Institute for Creation Research....
REJECT INTELLIGENT DESIGN.
John Morris, President, Institute for Creation Research:
“The differences between Biblical creationism and the ID movement should become clear. As an unashamedly Christian/creationist organization, ICR is concerned with the reputation of our God and desires to point all men back to Him. While all creationists necessarily believe in intelligent design, not all ID proponents believe in God. ID is strictly a non-Christian movement, and while ICR values and supports their work, we cannot join them."
Creationist crusader, Ken Hamm: "Intelligent Design is dangerous".
Same culprits? What are you suggesting - mass schizophrenia? Most ID papers and several of their books are DEVASTATING to Christian creationism.
I hope you are more logical in court. I will allow you to go on losing this case for as long as you like.
OK, OK.

Partial schizophrenia.

The conservative creationists do pooh pooh intelligent design.

They're like the Tea Party Christians.

But the "big tent" Christians endorse it.

Since: May 10

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#157061 Feb 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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"A few details."
Yeah, like a god, behind the whole thing.
Dude, it's transparent.
There is no such hypothesis in ID.

Counselor is assuming facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

Does Big Bang Theory have a god "behind the whole thing"?

What is the causation?

Ohhhh nooooh! Don't try to tell me you are leaving it as an open question!

Hubble and those dudes had a god behind it all!

They didn't say so, but I just know it!

Two standards much, Counselor?

...By the way, David Berlinski is an ID proponent and a member of ...gulp...the dreaded Discovery Institute.

He doesn't believe in god.

Same culprits??

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157062 Feb 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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OK, OK.
Partial schizophrenia.
The conservative creationists do pooh pooh intelligent design.
They're like the Tea Party Christians.
But the "big tent" Christians endorse it.
So what?

Some Christians endorse Darwinism. Some science professors in Baptist and Catholic colleges endorse Darwinism.

Is Darwinism creationism, then? No.

All christians believe the universe was designed. Some of them specifically support Intelligent Design Theory; some do not. Some Intelligent Design Theorists are christian; some are not. Some are not even theists. Some Darwinist scientists are christian; some are not.

None of that goes to show ID is creationism.

So far you're batting "0".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157063 Feb 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
And god is what it's really all about. Trying to mix observable science with the transcendental argument.
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There is no transcendental argument in ID.

Who told you that, GiveMeLiverwurst?

If it's there, show it.

If you can, then I'll show you the transcendental argument in the Big Bang Theory.

Is SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) that studies signals from space for elements of design a Creationist organization?

According to your standard, it is, and should not be allowed to be discussed in schools.

(Which would render recruiting researchers problematic)

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#157064 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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So what?
Some Christians endorse Darwinism. Some science professors in Baptist and Catholic colleges endorse Darwinism.
Is Darwinism creationism, then? No.
All christians believe the universe was designed. Some of them specifically support Intelligent Design Theory; some do not. Some Intelligent Design Theorists are christian; some are not. Some are not even theists. Some Darwinist scientists are christian; some are not.
None of that goes to show ID is creationism.
So far you're batting "0".
Dude, I'm going to have to take off a couple innings.

Off to Mexico tomorrow. Baja. Gotta go pack.

But hey, only a portion of the trip is at taxpayer expense.

The rest, Catcher is pleased to fund.

Welcome back, Buck. This place has been boring.

Scoot over to the Why should Jesus love me thread. It's a gas.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157065 Feb 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No evolutionary biologist thinks life was spontaneous.
Darwin was right about one thing, the theory grew since him.
the evidence points that he was right about common descent.
No one is sure life began from just one LUCA though.
The latest cutting edge thought is that there may have been 3 that shared DNA/RNA in development. No one is sure there was no exterior intervention. We just can't pin it down yet.
ID maybe true, but nothing has been presented to validate it.
But it is fringe science , unless it can come up with real evidence it will remain so.Personally I haven't ruled out the possibility. Life could be a construct, but without something that points to it. It is like speculation into what was before time.
Fortunately if life is a construct, we should eventually be able to find something that points to it. I have my doubts about that and ever understanding "before time".
Darwinian evolution depends on life arising spontaneously.

They have to believe in chemical evolution to life. They work on duplicating it in laboratories every day.

No luck yet.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#157066 Feb 27, 2013
Sure there is but mainly it's all about the argument from ignorance :)
Buck Crick wrote:
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There is no transcendental argument in ID.
Who told you that, GiveMeLiverwurst?
If it's there, show it.
If you can, then I'll show you the transcendental argument in the Big Bang Theory.
Is SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) that studies signals from space for elements of design a Creationist organization?
According to your standard, it is, and should not be allowed to be discussed in schools.
(Which would render recruiting researchers problematic)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157067 Feb 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Dude, I'm going to have to take off a couple innings.
Off to Mexico tomorrow. Baja. Gotta go pack.
But hey, only a portion of the trip is at taxpayer expense.
The rest, Catcher is pleased to fund.
Welcome back, Buck. This place has been boring.
Scoot over to the Why should Jesus love me thread. It's a gas.
I figured you would eventually have to flee the jurisdiction.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#157068 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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I figured you would eventually have to flee the jurisdiction.
No, but hey listen.

I'm headed to D.C., Supreme Court, gay marriage cases (Perry et al.). Participated in an amicus brief for Howard University, establishing that the current discrimination is no different to the racial/anti miscegenation discrimination that existed well into the 1960s.

Welcome to the new order, Buck.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#157069 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Every scientist who works on Intelligent Design accepts evolution.
Their sin is scientific dissent on a few details.
To stalk and destroy dissenters is not the way science should be done.
The Darwinists' problem with ID is not because they see a threat to science. It's a worldview thing.
Till it passes peer review and is accepted as a solid theory, I will continue to give it no credence.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#157070 Feb 27, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Darwinian evolution depends on life arising spontaneously.
They have to believe in chemical evolution to life. They work on duplicating it in laboratories every day.
No luck yet.

The Origin of life is not included in the ToE as it is not a theory attempting to explaining the origin of life. It is theory that explains the changes in organisms over time by natural selection.
It also explains it by common descent. But it is not in any way founded or dependent on life arising spontaneously.
Chemical evolution is also observed, but the origin points where life began has no working theory only hypothesis.

There has been progress in the lab in attempts to recreate life.
It probably wont take much longer for them to actually succeed either. It's not a worldview that is stopping ID or a belief that drives the efforts in abiogenesis. It is simply an effort to answer the question , on how life did arise.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#157071 Feb 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Buck?
Dave Nelson wrote:
No. A retarded gorilla.
What's the difference between Buck and a retarded gorilla?
















Dave.

Thank you! I'll be here all week, be sure to try the waitress and tip the punch.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#157072 Feb 28, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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That’s you personal opinion that you believe as fact.
ID isn't science and that's a fact.

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