Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156648 Feb 26, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Wrong. I don't believe in your evil god.
<quoted text>
Ah. A connoisseur of gods. Discriminating tastes in deities.

Very choosy about who you let create you, eh?

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#156649 Feb 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H ugh_Glass
Interesting story. One of many similar.
What really saved his ass?
Grizzlies, wolves, cougars, or any other predator didn't smell the blood, pick up his scent, or see his weakened condition, especially early on. They were around. Easy meal, but they didn't run across it.
Rabbits are every predator's favorite menu item, but many of them survive by chance just because a predator didn't get wind of them. They are around.
Predators are tuned and equipped to find prey. They are always hungry. They can see well, they can hear well, they can sniff the air and detect smells miles away. Not too many prey would survive more than one encounter with a predator. Yet so much prey lives to ripe ages. Mostly because they were hidden in a sort of way.
Why?
Evolution.

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156650 Feb 26, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you limit everything to just TWO possibilities? Why do you automatically rule out panspermia as being valid? It would appear that ANYTHING that doesn't include your God thing is automatically ruled out, why is that? Is it because like all Christians you start with a preconceived idea and then simply fill in around it? Not a very intelligent way to explore the origins of man now is it? Since no one really knows for certain, why limit the choices to a God? Are you incapable of forming other possibilities because you have been so brainwashed into one line of thinking?
Lets explore one such possibility. At some point Mars not only had abundance liquid water but an atmosphere as well. All the ingredient for life. Something bad happened on Mars, but could life or remnants of life have found its way to our planet? We know for a fact that collisions from meteors cast materials far out into space. We also know for a fact that microscopic life can survive in extremely hostile conditions. Could life have been seeded on Earth from Mars? Yeah I know, ridiculous because it casts your God thing completely out of the equation. Could Earth have been seeded by an advanced race, a mere experiment, yeah I know, No God in the equation, lets immediately discard it. As long as any other possibility excluded your God thing, you discard it. That is what is called CLOSE MINDED, and its an affliction that infects all Theists.
A interesting concept Doctor. However the vacuum of space would destroy any and all living organism traversing from Mars to the Earth.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156651 Feb 26, 2013
I've read articles where they did studies on fish like an old bass. The bass will sit there and only move to get prey if the effort is less than the reward. The energy gained from the morsel has to exceed the energy expended. In more competitive environments, such as when that bass was smaller, they might hit anything that moved, just to get something to survive.

Isn't it amazing that even in a fish the math ability exists to make calculations like that? Built in, or perhaps linked to a larger computer in some way to determine actions?

Easy to say chance and millions of years, ad nauseum, but pretty fancy math work for just some molecules.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156652 Feb 26, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution.
That is just a word.

Can you think deeply enough to understand just how it works in detail?

Or do you just take that word of others and think you understand it?

Eagle12

“In the beginning God Created..”

Since: Feb 12

Southern Illinois

#156653 Feb 26, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
It's weird that god can only live in the gaps of science.
You spend all you time arguing over scientific theories and hypothesis, but never once have I heard you mention where science got it right and the bible got it wrong. Why is that?
What is your god's cure for leprosy?
Yes, killing one bird, then dip another bird in the first bird's blood and then let it fly away.
Has this ever worked to cure leprosy? Why aren't we using it today?
Because it is absolute bullshit.
How old is the Earth?
Not 6,000 years, as the bible clearly states!
Was there a flood 5,000 years ago, which covered the entire Earth?
No. There has been no such flood in the last 4 billion years or so.
So, you stay in your ever shrinking gaps! You will not be missed.
I would love to see where the Bible clearly states the Earth is 6000 years old. Please supply scripture reference.
Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#156654 Feb 26, 2013
Why would you love to see that?
Are you another young earther?
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to see where the Bible clearly states the Earth is 6000 years old. Please supply scripture reference.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156655 Feb 26, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
A interesting concept Doctor. However the vacuum of space would destroy any and all living organism traversing from Mars to the Earth.
The vacuum wouldn't destroy it. Radiation, or altering its genetic structure would. It could just go into stasis until an environment suitable to re-energize it is reached.

Vacuum packed foods still retain their molecular structure, as do some dehydrated foods. Some organisms can survive with water or oxygen in molecular form on say trapped in a piece of rock.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#156656 Feb 26, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution.
Which part?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#156657 Feb 26, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to see where the Bible clearly states the Earth is 6000 years old. Please supply scripture reference.
I asked him that, too.

No answer yet....

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#156658 Feb 26, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Why would you love to see that?
Are you another young earther?
<quoted text>
Nah. It's fun to make you atheists look so stupid.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#156659 Feb 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That is just a word.
Well spotted. Where I come from they are used as a means of communication. I consider myself to be reasonably good at it. After all, we are using English, which is my mother tongue.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you think deeply enough to understand just how it works in detail?
Of course. I write something then you write something in reply and so on.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Or do you just take that word of others and think you understand it?
Like fundies and apologetics?

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#156660 Feb 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Which part?
Natural selection and inheritance.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#156661 Feb 26, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
I would love to see where the Bible clearly states the Earth is 6000 years old. Please supply scripture reference.
YOu know what's really funny? He knocks the Bible when he lied about the Bible saying the Earth is 6,000 years olg then he went on to bitch about the Great Flood, saying "There has been no such flood in the last 4 billion years or so."

4,000,000,000,000 years "or so".......

(with no evidence to support that hugemongous guess)

LMMFAO!

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#156662 Feb 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah. It's fun to make you atheists look so stupid.
Of course probely the funniest thing to do on this website

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#156663 Feb 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
What we know now in science would be deemed absurd by ancients.
Right, because they lacked the knowledge we have and made things up in its place.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
You don't get to accuse the dead of anything. You have the burden to prove they were lying, or even biased.
No, you have the burden of proof to support the events with something other than highly questionable reports.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Almost all of the OT has been confirmed by outside sources and archaeology.
That's not true at all. Archaeology has debunked numerous stories like Noah's Ark and the Exodus.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Philo does mention it.
No, he doesn't.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
What is a superstitious era? Prove it.
One where people readily attach themselves to 'prophets'. You can look at the Bible alone and see it. Paul seems to be bitten by a snake while gathering wood. Oh, he just disturbed where the snake was laying, right? Nope, the locals say this means Paul is a murderer who the goddess is punishing. Paul doesn't immediately die. A modern person might think he didn't actually get bitten, or the snake didn't inject any venom, or it was a non-venomous snake, or Paul might have immunity to that venom. The locals? He's a god!
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Joseph Smith also has no witnesses. You now clearly show a lack of historical knowledge and the fundamental differences of the major religious claims.
That's simply not true. Joseph Smith had multiple witnesses who claimed they were shown the magic plates by angels and said they heard God's voice tell them it was all legit.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Variations among the groups is evidence of the overall truth. Had they all been exact, that would have been suspicious.
They should at least agree on the major tenets like Jesus' divinity.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Should be rejected without greater evidence? By what authority? By whose standards?
By any reasonable standards. The same standards you'd use against other claims. If I told you I used to be able to fly, there's no way you'd believe it on my word alone. You wouldn't even believe it if a couple of my friends told you they saw me do it.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
If your very dead great grandfather was accused of pedophilia, is the matter open for discussion? No, the dead are immune from accusations of falsehood, as they cannot defend themselves.
Of course it would be open for discussion. But you'd need to provide some evidence of it.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
You are accusing the ancients of lying. Only you have the burden of proof, otherwise you are a fraud and liar yourself.
They're not necessarily lying. They can be delusional as well, or simply misinformed. Given the complete implausibility of the claims, all 3 of these options are far more likely than the idea that the claims are true.
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
Your analogy of flying is absurd, of course I PERSONALLY would not believe in something that did not sound truthful. But if hundreds of witnesses testified to it, and a major social reform followed?
You don't have hundreds of witnesses testifying to it and social changes aren't indicative of truth.

Mormonism has better established witnesses and immediately resulted in a large community of believers which now number in the millions.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156664 Feb 26, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
<quoted text>
It's weird that god can only live in the gaps of science.
You spend all you time arguing over scientific theories and hypothesis, but never once have I heard you mention where science got it right and the bible got it wrong. Why is that?
What is your god's cure for leprosy?
Yes, killing one bird, then dip another bird in the first bird's blood and then let it fly away.
Has this ever worked to cure leprosy? Why aren't we using it today?
Because it is absolute bullshit.
How old is the Earth?
Not 6,000 years, as the bible clearly states!
Was there a flood 5,000 years ago, which covered the entire Earth?
No. There has been no such flood in the last 4 billion years or so.
So, you stay in your ever shrinking gaps! You will not be missed.
Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to see where the Bible clearly states the Earth is 6000 years old. Please supply scripture reference.
Sheep shit is not cognizant or aware of the fact that is is the number crunchers and worshipers that studied the Bible and made those deductions, and were not written down as facts as he thinks. The Bible is allegorical, not literal.

BTW, those same kind of number crunchers and worshipers are now bringing him the new cosmology and "non-religion".

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156665 Feb 26, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
Well spotted. Where I come from they are used as a means of communication. I consider myself to be reasonably good at it. After all, we are using English, which is my mother tongue.
<quoted text>
Of course. I write something then you write something in reply and so on.
<quoted text>
Like fundies and apologetics?
So you are just using the word without really knowing what it really represents? But it sounds intelligent, right?

Topix atheists do that a lot.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#156666 Feb 26, 2013
Atheism isn't a religion, for me Christianity makes the most sense, jewish makes no sense to say jesus wasn't born yet but the rest is 100% correct, and catholic always makes me feel like it's a religion that people use just to participate in religion

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156667 Feb 26, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>I've been burned and felt all sorts of pain(S). I'm sure you have too.
If it's the same creature, it is almost literally, indescribable.
I'm glad(not that you were stung) that you have possibly ran across the same thing because when you try to relate what it was like it just comes across as whining or "it can't have been that bad".
It was. hahaa, KUDOS, Dave.
I suspect this may have been the culprit:

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/LyraEDISServlet...

I've seen them around, but had been forewarned.

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