Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#156562 Feb 25, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Wow a science nut admitting that GR is not a 100% working scientific theory.
Wikipedia:
If anyone finds a case where all or part of a scientific theory is false, then that theory is either changed or thrown out.
A scientific theory in one branch of science must hold true in all of the other branches of science.
From Nova:
"For decades, every attempt to describe the force of gravity in the same language as the other forces—the language of quantum mechanics—has met with disaster
S. JAMES GATES, JR.: You try to put those two pieces of mathematics together, they do not coexist peacefully.
S. JAMES GATES, JR.: The laws of nature are supposed to apply everywhere. So if Einstein's laws are supposed to apply everywhere, and the laws of quantum mechanics are supposed to apply everywhere, well you can't have two separate everywheres.
RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: In the years since, physics split into two separate camps: one that uses general relativity to study big and heavy objects, things like stars, galaxies and the universe as a whole...
LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and another that uses quantum mechanics to study the tiniest of objects, like atoms and particles. This has been kind of like having two families that just cannot get along and never talk to each other...
LEFT SIDE BRIAN GREENE: There just seemed to be no way to combine quantum mechanics...
RIGHT SIDE BRIAN GREENE:...and general relativity in a single theory that could describe the universe on all scales.
So here's the question: if you're trying to figure out what happens in the depths of a black hole, where an entire star is crushed to a tiny speck, do you use general relativity because the star is incredibly heavy or quantum mechanics because it's incredibly tiny?
Well, that's the problem. Since the center of a black hole is both tiny and heavy, you can't avoid using both theories at the same time. And when we try to put the two theories together in the realm of black holes, they conflict. It breaks down. They give nonsensical predictions. And the universe is not nonsensical; it's got to make sense.
You know like you...the Taliban rejects science too.
You fundies hate science, because it shows you how wrong you are.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#156563 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I am making perfect sense.
Account for absolute truth.
Can you account for absolute truth?
Provide one "absolute" truth.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#156564 Feb 25, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Well he was the only one there at the time so I'll take his word for it.
Besides God doesn't lie why would he?
But, you are not taking any god's word for it, you are taking the word of the people who first wrote it down, then those who translated it, then those who edited it, then those who proof-read it, and finally those who print it.

You are taking the word of a lot of humans who could have, for any reason, said whatever they wanted.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#156565 Feb 25, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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Its weird, Atheist dont believe in God. Yet they believe all life just magically self created from sterile material and made this crazy run on the earth. We know thats impossible because scientist have not been able replicate it in this modern era of science.
Then they point at us believing in a myth. But its acceptable for them to believe in a myth. Even though science does not support their position. They say science will one day will come up with an answer for how it all started.
Science will come up with a time machine way before they figure out the genesis of life.
You are projecting. Natural explanations are not magic, magic is a non-answer such as saying "god done it."

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156566 Feb 25, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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They contain absurdities and are written in a legendary manner.
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He did have witnesses. Do you propose Islam was formed out of thin air?
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Apostles are not peer-reviewed evidence. They are biased cult members.
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In that most of the events of the OT can't even be documented by outside sources? That no contemporary historian of the time, like Philo, bothered to mention it? That no one noticed a bunch of Saints rising from graves? I'd think zombies would be a noteworthy occurrence.
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What's the difference? They had two possible arguments to use: "no, he didn't", or "yeah, he did, but it was sorcery". Given the superstitious era, it's no surprise they chose the latter.
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How would they go about noting that they were lying?
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That's just plain false. Joseph Smith had numerous eyewitnesses who all wrote firsthand about their experiences with him. They're called "The 8 Witnesses".
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The beliefs were not all intact, there was variation among groups. It's the entire reason that Christians had to get together to form creeds and determine canon.
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Of course it flies. Documents full of absurdities should be rejected without greater evidence.
Were you to be on a jury and the defense told you that the defendant could fly, you wouldn't believe that. You wouldn't believe it even if a couple friends of his testified to it.
What we know now in science would be deemed absurd by ancients. Legendary manner? There is no such thing.

No, I propose that Islam came from one man with no witnesses to his claims.

You don't get to accuse the dead of anything. You have the burden to prove they were lying, or even biased.

Almost all of the OT has been confirmed by outside sources and archaeology.

Philo does mention it.

What is a superstitious era? Prove it.

Exactly. Who would you go about proving the dead were liars?

Joseph Smith also has no witnesses. You now clearly show a lack of historical knowledge and the fundamental differences of the major religious claims.

Variations among the groups is evidence of the overall truth. Had they all been exact, that would have been suspicious.

Should be rejected without greater evidence? By what authority? By whose standards?

If your very dead great grandfather was accused of pedophilia, is the matter open for discussion? No, the dead are immune from accusations of falsehood, as they cannot defend themselves. The evidence must be overwhelming that any new accusations later in history are valid.

You are accusing the ancients of lying. Only you have the burden of proof, otherwise you are a fraud and liar yourself.

Nor does the truth of something depend upon us believing it. Your analogy of flying is absurd, of course I PERSONALLY would not believe in something that did not sound truthful. But if hundreds of witnesses testified to it, and a major social reform followed? Then my opinion has no weight ... and neither does yours now.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156567 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
There are no contemporary witnesses to your Jewsus. We have no historical proof he even existed.
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Yes there are. You obviously have no researched the matter yourself. Simply look up secular evidence of Jesus, there is plenty.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156568 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes we have knowledge and reasoning that those ancient sheep kissers could have only dreamt of. You are living in a fantasy world not reality.
If Jesus had existed Joseph would have likely been thighing him, Jesus would have wiped his @ss with his bare hand and they didn't exactly have anti microbial soaps back then. The world at that time was dark and disease filled. You were lucky to reach adulthood.
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LOL!

No, they had knowledge of science that only WE could dream of. There are still countless mysterious that cannot yet be explained. You are the one living in a fantasy world if it is your opinion that we have a monopoly of all knowledge throughout all history.

And yes, they did have anti-microbial soaps. First, anti-microbial is a scam. Soap has been around 3000 years, and was strong enough to remove hair when made with too much lye. Your ignorance of even the basic technological knowledge of the ancient worlds testifies to you ignorance ... and arrogance.

Dark and diseased filled indeed. We have more diseases and darkness today, then ever the ancients could imagine. We would be total barbarians compared to them, by any standard.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156569 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Porn is not intended for children be it sexual or Jesus on a cross.
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Right.

If it's not intended for children, usually that means society is ashamed of it.

Thus, my point.

What is goof enough for children is actual a universal moral standard. Sociology 101. There is a reason why evolution makes us feel "ashamed" by certain actions.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156570 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again the majority were deluded and mistaken. Certainly there were some liars, frauds, rapists, murderers, thieves, hookers, child molesters and others mixed in with the deluded sheep.
You're welcome
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Prove it.

The burden still remains with you, an anyone that makes these claims. The dead do not have to defend themselves. You have to defend your accusations of those that cannot speak for themselves.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156571 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I am proud of the charity work I have done, are you proud of Hitler helping your bible statement about Israel returning? This is what you stated before yes? You celebrated all those innocents killed at the command of Hitler because in your words it helped return the state of Israel.
So Hitler in his own way was doing the work of your god yes?
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Typical ignorance.

Christianity 101. All that is evil can only exist by an act of free will. This does not negate the power God may exercise to make something good emerge from a tragedy.

Just as family members who might lose a loved one to cancer, to make something good turn out of it by starting a new cancer-aware program.

A logical atheists would know this, and would not make this error. A rational atheists takes the time to learn the theology, before making such foolish remarks.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156572 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why?
Absent love, there's me reason to want to fall in love.
Absent sex, there's me reason to want to have sex.
Absent beer, there's no reason to want to drunk one.
But we all do.
Okay, I know you're literate enough to know what "absent" means in the context in which I used it.
Don't be obtuse.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156573 Feb 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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The obvious problem with your analogy is that love, sex, and beer all exist.
Belief in a deity is just projection, pure and simple. Every deity reflects the values of the believer, every single time. Pretty obvious.
And again, just because:

You know your deity's man-made when it hates all the same people you do.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156574 Feb 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
If he had second thoughts he must not be perfect and absolute after all.
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Considering that he's allegedly taken a Mulligan on humanity already...

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156575 Feb 26, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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What's a drive in theater?
A parking lot with a big wall and a projector.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156576 Feb 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Uh huh. And IF BBT is ever discounted because of anew theory, all you atheist will be screaming "THAT'S JUST SCIENCE LEARNING ITSELF MORE.........."
Exactly.

Sloppy syntax apart.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#156577 Feb 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>And again, just because:
You know your deity's man-made when it hates all the same people you do.
No, it suggests that the deity in question created us.

After all, evolution also hates pretty much everything Christians do. Immoral people obsessed with petty desires are not desirable to the overall survival and expansion of the species.

:)

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#156578 Feb 26, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>A parking lot with a big wall and a projector.
Like life?

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156579 Feb 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
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No, it suggests that the deity in question created us.
After all, evolution also hates pretty much everything Christians do. Immoral people obsessed with petty desires are not desirable to the overall survival and expansion of the species.
:)
Evolution doesn't hate anything, ya halfwit.

And your second sentence, well, makes no sense.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#156580 Feb 26, 2013
We have a drive in around here one of the last in America.
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> They actually were fun and there are still a few in operation. No restraints like in a theater, and if you had a van well.....if the van is rocking.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#156581 Feb 26, 2013
Reality is truth. You are unable to see it due to your Alzheimer's.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That is ignorance of reality, young one.
You like to use that term "we". You need to get on the stick, because your peers are going to mature and leave you behind.

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