Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Dec 11

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#156482 Feb 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The word 'absolute' is redundant. Truth is simply a statement of how things are. Since there is a difference between truth (how things are) and falsehood (not how things are), we have an accounting of truth.
Hey hey hey, no going outside mtimber's script. He doesn't like that.
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#156483 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I could of course take the time to deal with these internet cut and paste anti-theist arguments.
Or I could just ask you to account for Absolute Truth...
Your inability to do so, will reveal the truth of Gods existance.
Actually its your inability to answer even one of the questions.

Yours is a fantasy world, which is impossible to defend, let alone convince any reasonable person your fantasy is correct.

Faith is all you've got. Keep it to yourself, I have already rejected faith in favor of reason and fact.

You've abandoned your mind for dogma. Be content, the church likes your money too.

You should preach in Xtian forums where like minded sheep are willing to bleat along with your every musing. You might even get a enthusiastic 'Amen' err ba ba

Here is good example of this alleged 'love'... NO THANKS

"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple".--Luke 14:26

Please take your superstitions elsewhere.
You are in the wrong forum.

SUGGESTION
You can redeem yourself and your faith.
You might even convert a atheist!
Jesus will give you a extra special harp or perhaps a Rolex.

If you expect to convince anyone of your faith you should be able to promptly answer these two simple questions.

If you cannot answer these, ask your clergy for assistance. Remember... they know the unknowable and can easily explain this... right?

1) Provide evidence your God is true in a way religions other than yours cannot do with their God.

2) Provide evidence your holy book is true in a way religions other than yours cannot do with their holy book.

"The arrogance is palpable.
And do you think that unto such as you;
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew:
God gave the secret, and denied it me?
Well, well, what matters it! Believe that, too."
~Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156484 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Let us consider:
In the beginning a rockdidit...
Interesting claim that requires absolute knowledge, which clearly you do not have...
:-)
Who's making that claim?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#156485 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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But here you have a problem...
As an atheist you cannot even account for reason...
Did that make sense before you hit "Enter"?

Only it doesn't now.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#156486 Feb 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The word 'absolute' is redundant. Truth is simply a statement of how things are. Since there is a difference between truth (how things are) and falsehood (not how things are), we have an accounting of truth.
Truth: Sometimes a head is really an ass.

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“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#156487 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Let's say you love your parents.
Let's also say you assume that love is demonstrable.
Let's also say you "know it".
Prove it.
Actually, they can prove it. They can scan your brain and tell what you are feeling.{It is a bit more complicated than that, but I don't believe that I am qualified to explain it.}

That's how they know that Atheists' brains are not wired to be believers.

Now, why do you suppose a god would wire my brain in such a way that I would not believe in it?

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#156488 Feb 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Did that make sense before you hit "Enter"?
Only it doesn't now.
He is a WAG troll puppet. He will say anything to get attention.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#156489 Feb 25, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any god ever existed.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

The only real test of something is as what it is intended to be used for.

“Ditat Deus”

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#156490 Feb 25, 2013
Just Think wrote:
What truths do Christians know absolutely?
E=MC2

“Ditat Deus”

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#156491 Feb 25, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>It's really not that complicated. Despite your continuing attempts to shift the burden of proof.
Absent evidence, there's no reason to believe in a deity.
Why?

Absent love, there's me reason to want to fall in love.

Absent sex, there's me reason to want to have sex.

Absent beer, there's no reason to want to drunk one.

But we all do.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#156492 Feb 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There is *plenty* of evidence for it, from the red-shifts of galaxies, to the cosmic background radiation, to the abundances of light elements in the universe. One need not have 'been there' to be able to see the evidence *left over* from it.
That only means there is evidence of red shifts, cosmic background radiation & light in the universe, not the assumption called the Big Bang ( formerly steady state) lol

“Ditat Deus”

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#156493 Feb 25, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Actually, they can prove it. They can scan your brain and tell what you are feeling.{It is a bit more complicated than that, but I don't believe that I am qualified to explain it.}
That's how they know that Atheists' brains are not wired to be believers.
Now, why do you suppose a god would wire my brain in such a way that I would not believe in it?
Nope. Nobody can prove scientifically that emotions exist or why they exist or why we feel them.

Neuroscientists are hard at work trying to figure it out, Topix atheists aren't.

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#156494 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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That is an absolute truth claim.
How is it that you think you have the authority to make such a claim?
Do you know everything?
Are you omniscient?
No.
So your arbitrary claim is ludicrous.
It is not a claim, it is a statement of fact.

There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof of any god's existence.

If the statement is not factual, there is a simple way for you to prove that.

We'll wait...

Since: Apr 09

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#156495 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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In the beginning God...
How do we know this?
Because the One who knows everything revealed it to us...
Wait...your entire argument is that in the beginning god existed because god told you that in the beginning god existed?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry.

Next?
CunningLinguist

Hernando, FL

#156496 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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E=MC2
RR you mentioned Albert?

In God We Rust

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." ~Albert Einstein

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true.... Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." ~Albert Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." ~Albert Einstein

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." ~Albert Einstein

- Albert Einstein, Out Of My Later Years:
"One strength of the Communist system ...is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion."

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Albert Einstein

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

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#156497 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You have not seen the big bang, neither has anyone else...
You have no evidence for it.

Of course we do, well maybe not you.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156498 Feb 25, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>i don't mean to take pot shots at you, even though you are an easy target, even when hiding amongst the cows. I enjoy the dialog we have, I think you try way to hard to impress others with your intellect. And I have a tendency to be a little rigid. Having said that, I can only wonder why you so resist complexity in music and art. if you are as intelligent as you try so hard to assert, why does complexity bother you? Why do you insist on supporting anything without evidence. Personally, I think you're one step away from being an Atheist. Take the step baby, step into the light of reason....come on....you can do it!!!! I'll even take you out for a cruise on my beautiful boat, we'll sail up to Gloucester.
Complexity doesn't bother me in the least. It's those that make things complex beyond need just to make things complex that do.

You may notice I have a wide range of music interests. I wasn't much of a musician, but believe or not I have put together a violin, repaired another, repaired mandolins, guitars, autoharps, banjos, and even pianos, including the tuning. With an electronic tuner. I'm kind of tone deaf. As it is now I can't hear the top notes of the piano, although I can hear the clicks of the keys. And only in one ear.

I was told I would make a great swinette player, but I lost my teeth. I am doomed just to enjoy music within my hearing range. However, due to my left ear not being totally deaf, but very frequency unresponsive, loud noises kind of overload my listening abilities, which is why I am not a fan of noisy horn blowers. It ain't nothing personal.:-)

I was an atheist for 50 years. I have my own evidence for no longer being one, although there is no religion you could really peg me in. Just a knowledge there is something behind the scenes running me, and I suspect greatly, everyone else. We are the instruments for the Grand Musician. Honestly.

If you like complexity, figure out that score.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#156499 Feb 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why?
Absent love, there's me reason to want to fall in love.
Absent sex, there's me reason to want to have sex.
Absent beer, there's no reason to want to drunk one.
But we all do.
The obvious problem with your analogy is that love, sex, and beer all exist.

Belief in a deity is just projection, pure and simple. Every deity reflects the values of the believer, every single time. Pretty obvious.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#156500 Feb 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There is *plenty* of evidence for it, from the red-shifts of galaxies, to the cosmic background radiation, to the abundances of light elements in the universe. One need not have 'been there' to be able to see the evidence *left over* from it.
All based upon the assumed logic of an artificially created logic.

How are those probability numbers coming?

Here is a real world fact for you. A rat in a maze can never see past the maze it is running in. It can only pick its way through. If it's a smart rat, it may figure a logic to make the next one easier.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#156501 Feb 25, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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RR you mentioned Albert?
Yes, of course. The other poster asked what truths Christians know absolutely.

E=MC2 is one of them.

His religious views or non-views are irrelevant to said question.

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