Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156386 Feb 25, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/...
That is how the proton was discovered. More accurately, how it was "deduced" to exist.
This was all based on total electrical charges.
That quantity became an assumed standard.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pa...
That was the discovery of the neutron. Note how it too was "deduced"
There are issues also about the electron as a "particle".
Noting "observed". All deduced and assumed.
The proton and neutron are about 1836 times the mass of the electron.
Again "deduced" and assumed.
Various other "particles" have been "deduced" that make up the proton and neutron.
Lots of changes over the years resulting in "new particles" to fill in the holes of these "deduced".
The Higg's Boson is about 30-40 times the mass of the proton or neutron.
How could they have missed that?
Because they were wrong to begin with in their assumptions from their deductions.
They ignored how nature flows in the pursuit of a math model. It is quite evident in the technology derived from the applied sciences. As I have tried to point out, they took the physics out of physics and replaced it with math.
Theoretical physics, and disciplines that use their info, are heading down a blind alley. Thankfully, it is the applied physics people that create the stuff we use, and make the important discoveries.
All of these "deduced" particles have been subsequently observed right where they were previously mathematically deduced to be with their deduced masses and charges.

Do you live in a cave?

Since: Sep 08

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#156387 Feb 25, 2013
Polymath, I have no question about your math skills. Just in how you apply them.

Got a challenge for you. Using numbers to validate the assertions you claim you are learning in fizziks skool. This will be right up your alley. Statistical probabilities.

I posted about this configuration of matter and energy peering out into that great unknown and being absolutely sure there is no possibility of a supernatural force or deity using intelligent design to create us a little earlier.

Since you are in fizziks skoool, you should have access to those percentages I was referring to, plus a whole bunch more variables. You should have the general idea of what I am getting at.

Crunch some numbers and give us the probabilities of that small portion of assumed organized matter looking upon the greater in being right. Since Topix limits us to 4000 characters, perhaps you would post a link to the final numbers we can read? Quite likely those negative exponential numbers will run off the page.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156388 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I agree with you argument.
First of all you have to be able to account for Absolute Truth, before you can make truth claims.
And I can account for it, because the God who Created everything has revealed that account to humanity.
You however, as an atheist, cannot account for Absolute Truth.
So you cannot demand it from another, until you can account for Absolute Truth, from which to argue from...
As you cannot do that, you have no basis to question anything...
Account for Absolute Truth...
No?
Didn't think so...:-)
What absolute truth?
Siro

Brisbane, Australia

#156389 Feb 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Funny thing, I never claimed that existed, you did.
Youre the one claiming to be female, what does every female have?
But you dont, I was and still am right in pointing out that you are just another poof in a dress.
When I posted your own words in which you said you are 'asexual' you said that it meant you did not desire sex. I said to go without sex meant you are either chaste or celibate, you then farted out that 'asexual' applies to you because it is used 'emotionally'.
You are either male or female? True? Or a hermaphrodite.
You accused me of projecting when I brought the hermaphrodite issue.
You claim not to have a vagina.
That just leaves one possibility left......
You are just another POOF!

Since: Sep 08

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#156390 Feb 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Funny thing, I never claimed that existed, you did.
Possession of such is assumed for the female species of human material construction. In the genetic blueprints or something.

You claim to be a woman, and claimed to be a girl.

Since: Sep 08

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#156391 Feb 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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All of these "deduced" particles have been subsequently observed right where they were previously mathematically deduced to be with their deduced masses and charges.
Do you live in a cave?
Got a photo? Not a drawing, a photo.

All of that is based upon charge versus what is assumed as mass.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#156392 Feb 25, 2013
Sorry retard. You make the argument that there is a god. The burden of proof is on your shoulders. We have no proof for these gods hence there is no logical reason to believe for rational people.

I know you guys hate the burden of proof but it is what it is. Provide some proof and I will happily consider it.

Until then live your comforting delusion, it's fine with me. Just don't expect your betters to join in it.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There is no evidence for that, and you know it.

Since: May 10

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#156393 Feb 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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What absolute truth?
Are you saying there is no absolute truth?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156394 Feb 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You see, the atheist cannot account for absolute truth.
He can only deny it, whilst appealing to it.
All the time demanding that it go unchallenged and be accepted.
Yet without absolute truth, the atheist cannot make any argument, because they have no foundation upon which to base an atheistic argument.
Totally intellectually bankrupt, yet claiming intellectual superiority...
What is absolute truth?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#156395 Feb 25, 2013
Are you seriously this stupid? I mean wow I know you think historians aren't scholars and that Catholics don't believe in Jesus but seriously?

The fact that there are people that do not believe in god is proof for atheism. You don't believe in Allah so to a Muslim you are an atheist.

Seriously man you really need to think before posting. Your stupidity is painful to watch.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, here's your perfect version of atheism:
"Givemeliberty wrote:
I have no proof or evidence but it's my delusion and I like it!"
(you sum it up nicely.)

Since: Sep 08

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#156396 Feb 25, 2013
Omigod!!

Disturbing news for Topix atheists.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/holy_hi...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156397 Feb 25, 2013
Eagle12 wrote:
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A Louisiana alligator, 10 feet long can bite your arm off.
Because I said so.
Actually, they would twist it off.

Though their jaws are tremendously strong, they probably wouldn't be able to bite an arm clean off. Alligators and crocodiles remove meat and body parts by twisting. They grab on and start rolling until and edible sized chunk is torn off.

Just sayin'.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156398 Feb 25, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
A little observation on egos, notably the over developed kind.
It is like driving down a dark highway with your brights on. You can only see what your light shines on.
Education and other such training makes those lights brighter. It also make it harder to see the dark on the side. Your eyes adjust for that extra brightness.
You miss a lot, and assume a lot.
You get an educated and civilized person going into a more primitive, or educated and civilized in a different way, and they can develop a tendency to assume a higher station in life to these poor unfortunates that weren't educated their way.
Of course, they assume the locals can see such as a given. However, they have been doing pretty well their way for generations.
Some of them are nice and gracious by their customs. Others are eager to see what wealth they can get out them. They both smile. Up to a point anyhow. The problems come when the egos try to revamp the system they invaded.
It is very hard for a superego to see the world for what it is. It is even harder to see what lies beyond it. Anything they see will have to fit into their headlights.
It sure beats driving in the dark without any lights.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156399 Feb 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Take a Alka Seltzer lol.
Those were some spicy meatballs...
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#156400 Feb 25, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oh, but it won't be in our lifetimes, they assure you. Keep that funding coming in so we can study it, though. Don't want to make any mistakes, eh?
Your belief in science is a substitute. It is an opiate. Science is OK, it is the scientists you have to question.
You will love this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0KsPqMXz59MXX
I don't listen to pukebucket for the same reason I don't go to an art museum looking for paint by numbers exhibits. My tastes as well as my expectations have evolved, I can see your still stuck in the Neanderthal error of music. I seek excellence and realize that complexity often equates to beauty. Now...after me....row row row your boat, gently down the stream..........Your in here. I sang the first how many measures, and in what time signature? I'll bet even a simple children's song eludes you.

Why is it you never respond to simple questions? I'll try again, What deity do I worship if science is my religion? Don't make shit up now like you usually do. Show me were science states that
"everything is perfect and nice and stable." Go for it!!!!!!

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156401 Feb 25, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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It sure beats driving in the dark without any lights.
I've done that at 70 mph on 2 lane roads with a canal and ditch on either side. For several miles.

Not habitually, though.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#156402 Feb 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Are you saying there is no absolute truth?
None I can think of.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#156403 Feb 25, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I don't listen to pukebucket for the same reason I don't go to an art museum looking for paint by numbers exhibits. My tastes as well as my expectations have evolved, I can see your still stuck in the Neanderthal error of music. I seek excellence and realize that complexity often equates to beauty. Now...after me....row row row your boat, gently down the stream..........Your in here. I sang the first how many measures, and in what time signature? I'll bet even a simple children's song eludes you.
Why is it you never respond to simple questions? I'll try again, What deity do I worship if science is my religion? Don't make shit up now like you usually do. Show me were science states that
"everything is perfect and nice and stable." Go for it!!!!!!
Your quest for complexity creates your own little universe. It can result in your universe being a small room with rounded scissors for cutting out paper dolls to share it with.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#156404 Feb 25, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Since you have no solid evidence that your god exists, then it is a figment of your imagination.
Evidence:

Noun

The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

I have evidence that God is real.

I can't demonstrate that evidence to you.

But that doesn't negate the evidence.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#156405 Feb 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Sorry retard.
THe burden of proof is on your shoudlers....
You make the argument that there is a god. The burden of proof is on your shoulders.
Why? You're under the assumption that I give a shit whether or not you believe me....
We have no proof for these gods hence there is no logical reason to believe for rational people.
"We" being ignorant atheists?

Sure.
I know you guys hate the burden of proof but it is what it is.
So prove I'm retarded. You make the claim damn near every post.

Prove I'm from Riverside.

The onus is on you, asshole.
Provide some proof and I will happily consider it.
What?!? Proof is something you still would have to consider?!? Proof is not up for debate, f_cktard.
Until then live your comforting delusion, it's fine with me.
I suffer no delusion.
Just don't expect your betters to join in it.
"betters"?!?

LMAO, oh ya..... The typical atheistic ego that tells them they're smarter because they rely on "proof"...

Except you still need to consider proof....

Shut that c0ck holster you call a mouth, boy.

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