Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Your journey will have an eternal price to pay. Go to the nearest Church of Christ and get baptized and start your journey with God as your guide on a journey of happiness that will never end, instead of the dead-end one you're about to take.
The promotion and perpetuation of a myth is often more important to believers than what the Bible teaches.

The Christian "free" gift myth is a prime example of this.

Many Christians demonstrate that the teachings of the Bible are irrelevant when they conflict with a popular myth that serves to advance the religion.

These believers are not subject to the moral principles that they claim their religion symbolizes.
They have no problem bearing false witness to others concerning the most important issue in their religion, which is that of personal salvation.

This means you must abandon your mind to save your soul. You must confess Jesus is your Lord and worship him as such.

That act is a "work" in itself. Faith is also a work.

Make no mistake concerning the actual nature of this so-called "free" gift.

Salvation is exchanged for worship and it's nothing more than a holy barter system where you say the magic words and you are saved. On the surface it's cheap, easy, and painless. It appeals to anyone who doesn't want to be burdened with thinking for themselves, but it's in no sense "free".

This form of holy fire insurance is nothing more than false advertising and should be treated with the same regard one would have when he opens a box of Cracker Jacks and digs out the cheap trinket that came as a "free" gift when you purchased the box it came in.

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<quoted text>Are you serious? Composers buried under the ground with no way to play their music? are you friggin serious? All the te great composers are buried and their music is played regularly. You don't realize this? REALLY???? I attended a Puccini opera just last month, and he's been buried for a very long time. Their music survives you nitwit, SCORES, PARTS. Holy shit are you a numbskull.
Wanting to leave the world a richer place has noting to do with wanting to live eternally. Christians are always crying about PURPOSE, what is the purpose for an Atheist. Stupid mindset, as though without a God thing we have no purpose. We all decide what our purpose is in life, mine was to create and to teach other how to do the same. To advance the art form, even a little. To enrich the world, to leave something of yourself behind, to have not lived a valueless life. What is it that you will leave behind. How have you enriched the world, what was your purpose, will your work still be valid a hundred years from now? Mine will!!!!
That you think of mankind as just an eating machine speaks volumes about your mindset. Somehow you have missed the elegance and grace associated with your species. You instead have reduced man to a vicious uncaring eating machine who's only goal is to be fed. How truly sad that you have missed all the wonderful things that cultured people enjoy. No wonder your taste in music is so feeble. I understand that an entire universe of music exists, great symphonies, passionate operas, wonderful melding of Jazz and classical forms, jazz musicians who have advanced the only Truly American art form to what it is today. Works that are so massive and elicit such passion that the experience that can only be imagined. Mahler's 8th symphony is one such work, it's called the Symphony of a thousand,as there are a thousand performers.
You need say no more, I have figured you to a tee. Your life has been devoid of any passion, elegance and grace have never been apart of your life. You see your fellow brothers and sister of this planet as mere eating machines. Your mechanically oriented mind is incapable of discerning the emotions that go into the creative process. Thats why you have never gotten past the Juvenile simplistic music you think is so wonderful. You've missed an entire universe of creativity and passion, I truly feel intense pity for you. Poor you!!! And you're not even aware of what you've missed, very sad indeed!!!!
Your moral and spiritual beliefs, which is what you are expressing, could not arise from random collections of matter. Those beliefs arise from religious training. Religions started a very long time ago. Very simply put, your thinking is a product of age old religious belief. That is how those morals and concepts of man were codified.

Your kneejerk rejection of religions is an emotional issue, not one of truly rational thought. Rational thought would reveal the importance and total integration of spiritual belief that exists in human existence. A religion does not have to be accurate in its accounts of creation or existence of a creator, but its spiritual aspect, and holding man's ego in check by having a higher authority to answer to is most important for mankind on the whole. It is a check and balance against a network of people who gain absolute physical control of the population. Such leads to a small group forcing their beliefs, which will be in error, on the whole, stifling creativity and advancement in thought. Those people do not become gods you must follow. Once a group like that gets established, their prime directive is staying in power and control, not the advancement of mankind. On ecan look at your posting ans thought processes and see how if you gained control, your ego would lead you to do exactly as I have said. Man's greatest weakness is when he feels he is the one in the know and in power.

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The need of dark matter as an explanation was based on observation.
There is indirect observation the dark matter hypothesis is correct. So you have it simply like this, dark matter exists and is the reason gravity is stronger over distance than thought.
The inverse square law is wrong . Or it is something else causing it. It doubtful the inverse square law could be that wrong , or space flights would have detected it. That leaves two things , do you want to try to explain it?
Hint many people have tried to apply various hypothesis using magnetism and em but it doesn't work.
Then the dark matter pre-existed and the laws and formulas governing gravity and EM were based upon incorrect assumptions, and thus incorrect. It is those laws and formulas that have been applied to a multitude of other observations and interpretation of cause and effect, meaning how things are put together and the processes involved. And to human cosmological beliefs. The modern phyiscs model is covered in so many Band Aids you can't see the object anymore.

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The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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HARRINGTON, LORD. 19th century British statesman. Opposed admission of Jewish immigrants to England because:
"They are the great moneylenders and loan contractors of the world... The consequence is that the nations of the world are groaning under heavy systems of taxation and national debt. They have ever been the greatest enemies of freedom.(Speech in the House of Lords, July 12, 1858)
Shalom
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

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I view it more like a candle flame that is blown out. And it is *your* assumption that there is more than this even though there is no evidence of such. What we do know is that after we die we decompose (assuming we aren't preserved in formaldehyde or something similar). If you have any evidence of anything more, please present it.
There is abundant evidence, and it has been presented. That doesn't mean it is conclusive.

You are a liar, Plymouth. Evidence means absolutely nothing to you. Your view of science is religious in nature. You are no different than a holocaust denier or a Noah's flood proponent. All that differs is the subject matter.
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Frank wrote:
Send your daughter to me. I abort them up to 9 months!

Do we see any parallels in modern America?
Top 11 similarities between the fall of Rome and the fall of America
1- Over-Extended Military
2- Government Corruption
3 -Birth Control - Decrease of Roman birth rates. Abortion, contraception, infanticide, prostitution, and perversion dramatically lowered birthrates
4 -Obsession with Sports and Entertainment Redistribution of Wealth
5 -The breakdown of marriage and rise of divorce.
6. The loss of the traditional meaning of the marriage ceremony.
7.. The rise of Feminism.
8. Increased public disrespect for parents and authority in general.
9. Acceleration of juvenile delinquency, promiscuity and rebellion.
How soon will the U.S meet its demise?
is it any wonder we are now that “barbaric” nation?
Frank Cunningham
Citizens Concerned with Human Life Mifflin Juniata Inc.
We live in a twisted world, where right is wrong and wrong reigns supreme. It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies. These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews.

Christianity is the worst disaster in human history.
The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.

A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration. The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.

The Church had devastating impact upon society. As the Church assumed leadership, activity in the fields of medicine, technology, science, education, history, art and commerce all but collapsed.

Technology disappeared and the Church became the most cohesive power in Western society. The extensive aqueduct and plumbing systems vanished.

Orthodox Christians taught that all aspects of the flesh should be reviled and therefore discouraged washing as much as possible.
Toilets and indoor plumbing disappeared. Disease became commonplace as sanitation and hygiene deteriorated. For hundreds of years, towns and villages were decimated by epidemics.

Europe entered the Dark Ages.

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http://endlessjrny.blogspot.com/2013/02/what-...

Years ago when AGW was coming to the forefront and I read about the increased water vapor in the air I predicted storms would get more violent and patterns would change for one simple physics reason. More mass in the air. A 40 mph wind will blow harder because it is now carrying more weight. But the real change is that increased mass gives more for external energy to work on. Sunlight and other sources of energy have more water molecules to expand. he you have the energy effects of cooling. This is going to shift the prevailing patterns. They will never go back to what they were because a long process of change was kicked into gear. Man's activities were not the only, or necessarily the major reason for this change to be initiated. But men jumped on it and turned something that is natural in the long run into a religious fervor that would ultimately put money in their pockets. Instead of preparing for changes, revenue generation for private corporations and investors were proposed. Scientists were bought on all sides to support contentions. Hysteria was being induced for profit.

The theistic approach is you live with the changes, as it is the will of a greater power. It is all just following the will of nature.

The atheist/"scientific" approach was to instill that hysteria and make a profit from it.

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Your moral and spiritual beliefs, which is what you are expressing, could not arise from random collections of matter. Those beliefs arise from religious training. Religions started a very long time ago. Very simply put, your thinking is a product of age old religious belief. That is how those morals and concepts of man were codified.
Your kneejerk rejection of religions is an emotional issue, not one of truly rational thought. Rational thought would reveal the importance and total integration of spiritual belief that exists in human existence. A religion does not have to be accurate in its accounts of creation or existence of a creator, but its spiritual aspect, and holding man's ego in check by having a higher authority to answer to is most important for mankind on the whole. It is a check and balance against a network of people who gain absolute physical control of the population. Such leads to a small group forcing their beliefs, which will be in error, on the whole, stifling creativity and advancement in thought. Those people do not become gods you must follow. Once a group like that gets established, their prime directive is staying in power and control, not the advancement of mankind. On ecan look at your posting ans thought processes and see how if you gained control, your ego would lead you to do exactly as I have said. Man's greatest weakness is when he feels he is the one in the know and in power.
You nailed it again, Dave.

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It's long overdue but it is finally on the right path to equality.
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It was never about "equality".

It was about "endorsement".

Equality was already in force - a gay person could not marry another of the same sex, and neither could a straight person.

That's equality. The agenda is "endorsement".

Left-wingers are great at shrouding their agenda in nice-sounding words - like "equality".

See: Changing "gun control" to "gun violence control".

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http://gralienreport.com/science-and-technolo...

The EM effect is the basis of all interaction and perception in the world you live in.

Why are physicists so stuck on gravity and refuse to follow those processes in greater detail?

Electrical engineers have affected your world much more than gravity based physics theorists. At least you got more return on your dollar.

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River Tam wrote:
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I'm homosexual. I just am. I couldn't help it, Eagle. It wasn't a choice.
Am I damned?
No. Not unless stupidity is damning.
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Dave Nelson wrote:
http://endlessjrny.blogspot.co m/2013/02/what-is-going-on-and -why-i-am-moving-to.html
Years ago when AGW was coming to the forefront and I read about the increased water vapor in the air I predicted storms would get more violent and patterns would change for one simple physics reason. More mass in the air. A 40 mph wind will blow harder because it is now carrying more weight. But the real change is that increased mass gives more for external energy to work on. Sunlight and other sources of energy have more water molecules to expand. he you have the energy effects of cooling. This is going to shift the prevailing patterns. They will never go back to what they were because a long process of change was kicked into gear. Man's activities were not the only, or necessarily the major reason for this change to be initiated. But men jumped on it and turned something that is natural in the long run into a religious fervor that would ultimately put money in their pockets. Instead of preparing for changes, revenue generation for private corporations and investors were proposed. Scientists were bought on all sides to support contentions. Hysteria was being induced for profit.
The theistic approach is you live with the changes, as it is the will of a greater power. It is all just following the will of nature.
The atheist/"scientific" approach was to instill that hysteria and make a profit from it.
Atheists do not care which deity you choose to worship. We do not believe in deities or any religions that support these imaginary beings. Science is expanding, and with it our vision of the universe. Although this new and constantly changing view may not always give us comfort, it does have the virtue of truth according to our most effective resources for acquiring knowledge.

Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
http://endlessjrny.blogspot.co m/2013/02/what-is-going-on-and -why-i-am-moving-to.html
Years ago when AGW was coming to the forefront and I read about the increased water vapor in the air I predicted storms would get more violent and patterns would change for one simple physics reason. More mass in the air. A 40 mph wind will blow harder because it is now carrying more weight. But the real change is that increased mass gives more for external energy to work on. Sunlight and other sources of energy have more water molecules to expand. he you have the energy effects of cooling. This is going to shift the prevailing patterns. They will never go back to what they were because a long process of change was kicked into gear. Man's activities were not the only, or necessarily the major reason for this change to be initiated. But men jumped on it and turned something that is natural in the long run into a religious fervor that would ultimately put money in their pockets. Instead of preparing for changes, revenue generation for private corporations and investors were proposed. Scientists were bought on all sides to support contentions. Hysteria was being induced for profit.
The theistic approach is you live with the changes, as it is the will of a greater power. It is all just following the will of nature.
The atheist/"scientific" approach was to instill that hysteria and make a profit from it.
They love evolution, except for certain things. Then they hate it.
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River Tam wrote:
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I'm homosexual. I just am. I couldn't help it, Eagle. It wasn't a choice.
Am I damned?
Of course not... you are among 10-13% of the earths population.
I ignore those to obtuse to understand homosexuality.

Know GOD?
"Know" nothing.
No GOD?
No Problem...

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I know, you christians are despicable for supporting the porn industry.
The atheist-founded ACLU supports distribution of not just pornography, but of child pornography, and has gone to court to say so. They have sent their lawyers to argue for NAMBLA and free distribution of kiddie-porn in a case where it led to the murder of a child by a pedophile.

Look it up, moron.

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CunningLinguist wrote:
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Atheists do not care which deity you choose to worship. We do not believe in deities or any religions that support these imaginary beings. Science is expanding, and with it our vision of the universe. Although this new and constantly changing view may not always give us comfort, it does have the virtue of truth according to our most effective resources for acquiring knowledge.
Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains.
The modern scientific method, and the biggest advances, started under the Church.

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River Tam wrote:
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What is the reward?
I already have my life. Is there something else?
No. There is nothing else. You are the totality of the universe.

Congratulations.

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River Tam wrote:
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Been there.
When I stand in front of the saviour and he asks me: "Are you worthy of being in Heaven?"
I'll say, "I'm just here for your leg."
Little one, atheists don't believe in deities.

Why do you display such an anger against a non-existent deity when it was random chance and reactions that cost you your leg? Was Jesus driving that car?

You are a beautiful young woman with a lot of soul and intelligence. Without that leg missing you would just be another one of millions. With that leg missing you become more unique and precious. If danger appears and you had two legs, you would run for your life by yourself. With one leg you will have a huge crowd gather about you to protect you.

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Buck Crick wrote:
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They love evolution, except for certain things. Then they hate it.
They have head issues.

Inferior product unless they can overcome them.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Works of fiction don't do anything other than entertain. Humanity created your God. They did this for when they felt alone, sad, or felt awestruck and wonder at what they saw but didn't have the answers to explain it away.
Humanity is now growing up and it is time to put away childish things.
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What humanity does or does not "create" for comfort has no bearing whatsoever on whether there is actually a god.

A god or higher power could exist, and humans could also invent something more or less similar, or not similar at all. Or, humans could discern from the best of a frail intuitiveness certain things about the nature of this god, and be somewhat correct. Nobody knows, certainly not you.

Your argument is entirely empty and irrelevant as to whether there exists a higher creating power, as in "a god".

You lack the basic tools of logic to comment intelligently on such existential questions, reducing you to meaningless commentary and spiteful bluster. This places you in the majority of atheist on these posts. If it's any comfort, some are even dumber than you.

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