Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

[Givemeliberty]

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You think there were websites 2000 years ago for Paul to own? No he just ordered a run away slave to rerun to his life of slavery. Something you approve of.

Human trafficking in porn? Daffy those girls compete for those spots! They hire agents and managers to get them a break into the business.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaha!

Hey who was the middle eastern man in your Dad's room? Stop DUCKing the question DAFFY!

Eagle12 wrote:

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I ask that everyone not ignore the problems of human trafficking and slavery today. The pornography business is a part of that victimization of women. And it is a factor in human trafficking and prostitution of which you support by the website you own by your own admission.
You are supporting slavery and victimization of women, teens and children. Child predators are growing in numbers as these deviants feed off of your pornography. Then they begin to patrol neighborhoods looking for children and teens they can abduct. Often resulting in a missing child or person with the consequences not ending up good.
You have tried to paint yourself as a decent citizen and business man. But you are far from decent. You support and feed off the business that result in horrendous crimes against women and children. Your business is a dirty business that leaves a trail of dead bodies and victims.
You are wrong to think there’s nothing harmless about internet pornography. Most people can’t see what goes on behind the scenes. The vast majority of Porn Stars of the 70’s and 80’s have died of AIDS and hepatitis. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands that followed in the their path and end up dying of AIDS.
You tried to ditch you evils while you point to a time in history thousands of years ago. The Apostle Paul nor his disciples owned internet porn sites. Your hands with the blood of victims.

[Aura Mytha]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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It is all based upon the identification and definition of the physical forces from long ago. All formulas and expectations are based on those. Very simply, the observations at that time may have been close approximations good for the time and total knowledge for the time, but they have failed as knowledge has advanced. If they failed, they are wrong. The basic model needs revamping.
The only claim they can give for "detecting" dark matter, or even the normal nuclear particles, is because of old math models. They really haven't "seen" this stuff. Just measurements on a dial calibrated to the old models.
There is a lot of bullshit in theoretical physics.
The real knowledge will come from R&D in existing technology, not those guys.

The need of dark matter as an explanation was based on observation.
There is indirect observation the dark matter hypothesis is correct. So you have it simply like this, dark matter exists and is the reason gravity is stronger over distance than thought.
The inverse square law is wrong . Or it is something else causing it. It doubtful the inverse square law could be that wrong , or space flights would have detected it. That leaves two things , do you want to try to explain it?

Hint many people have tried to apply various hypothesis using magnetism and em but it doesn't work.

[blacklagoon]

Dave Nelson wrote:

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LOL!!
You have any idea how many great composers are still buried underground with no way to play their music if they are ever found?
You suffer from that wanting to live eternally disease, which is a paradox for a true abiogenic atheist.
Where do you get such notions? Aren't we all just matter and energy that coalesced into these systems of self sustaining by tearing apart other matter to feed our systems? All life are eating machines. Such a machine is only interested in getting fed. Just where do these noble ideas of eternity, providing for the next generation, jumping on hand grenades to save buddies, and other abstract ideas for much further down the line come from?
Just how could an atheist come up with such concepts beyond self? Please don't give me the millions of years routine. How could such ideas even pop into their heads?

Are you serious? Composers buried under the ground with no way to play their music? are you friggin serious? All the te great composers are buried and their music is played regularly. You don't realize this? REALLY???? I attended a Puccini opera just last month, and he's been buried for a very long time. Their music survives you nitwit, SCORES, PARTS. Holy shit are you a numbskull.

Wanting to leave the world a richer place has noting to do with wanting to live eternally. Christians are always crying about PURPOSE, what is the purpose for an Atheist. Stupid mindset, as though without a God thing we have no purpose. We all decide what our purpose is in life, mine was to create and to teach other how to do the same. To advance the art form, even a little. To enrich the world, to leave something of yourself behind, to have not lived a valueless life. What is it that you will leave behind. How have you enriched the world, what was your purpose, will your work still be valid a hundred years from now? Mine will!!!!

That you think of mankind as just an eating machine speaks volumes about your mindset. Somehow you have missed the elegance and grace associated with your species. You instead have reduced man to a vicious uncaring eating machine who's only goal is to be fed. How truly sad that you have missed all the wonderful things that cultured people enjoy. No wonder your taste in music is so feeble. I understand that an entire universe of music exists, great symphonies, passionate operas, wonderful melding of Jazz and classical forms, jazz musicians who have advanced the only Truly American art form to what it is today. Works that are so massive and elicit such passion that the experience that can only be imagined. Mahler's 8th symphony is one such work, it's called the Symphony of a thousand,as there are a thousand performers.

You need say no more, I have figured you to a tee. Your life has been devoid of any passion, elegance and grace have never been apart of your life. You see your fellow brothers and sister of this planet as mere eating machines. Your mechanically oriented mind is incapable of discerning the emotions that go into the creative process. Thats why you have never gotten past the Juvenile simplistic music you think is so wonderful. You've missed an entire universe of creativity and passion, I truly feel intense pity for you. Poor you!!! And you're not even aware of what you've missed, very sad indeed!!!!

[Givemeliberty]

It's not math Dave it's the product of your brain damaged imagination. You can't see it from suffering the irreversible damage.

Dave Nelson wrote:

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I am one single tiny node on a very vast network of info flow. Can't two or three of you geniuses use math to figure it out?
You do have all of that dark energy and dark matter, and virtual particles. Surely you can find something in there.

[Eagle12]

madscot wrote:

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Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery? If that's what you think then you need to own it.
And the reason atheists even bring up Bible slavery is because you people won't stop trying to force your chery picked morals on everyone else in this country. Homosexuality is an abomination, but it's ok to work on the sabbath?

Even Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath.

There are professions that require 24/7 service. Such as Fire Depts, law enforcement, hospitals, all emergency services, National Defense, manufacturing, electrical power, natural gas supply and so forth.

Jesus gave the following example: Mathew 12:

11.“And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?”

12.“How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.”

{Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery?}

Yes I do, one in particular on this topix site runs a pornography business. And pornography propagates human sex trafficking, abuse to women, children and teens.

The other malformed Atheist,“Blacksheep,” doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

[Givemeliberty]

Oh your bible myth says all kinds of stupid stuff like that. It's poorly written ancient fiction and the four gospels contradict each other so much it's a joke.

Eagle12 wrote:

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Even Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath.
There are professions that require 24/7 service. Such as Fire Depts, law enforcement, hospitals, all emergency services, National Defense, manufacturing, electrical power, natural gas supply and so forth.
Jesus gave the following example: Mathew 12:
11.“And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?”
12.“How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.”
{Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery?}
Yes I do, one in particular on this topix site runs a pornography business. And pornography propagates human sex trafficking, abuse to women, children and teens.
The other malformed Atheist,“Blacksheep,” doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

[Eagle12]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Really? That is your ploy? That is your answer to your god hasn't done anything to stop slavery? Are you really that fu[king stupid?

God didn’t stop Cain from killing his brother Able.

God is not a Dictator. If he was you would already have been hung or shot. There are laws on the books in most countries against slavery.

Did God put it into the heart of Abraham Lincoln to make a bold stand against slavery?

Did God allow the North to defeat the South?

Did God allow apartheid to be abolished in South Africa?

People like you are always criticizing the bible yet you don’t say a damn thing about modern slavery. There is a reason for that, you don’t give a sh*t.

[River Tam]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Even Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath.
There are professions that require 24/7 service. Such as Fire Depts, law enforcement, hospitals, all emergency services, National Defense, manufacturing, electrical power, natural gas supply and so forth.
Jesus gave the following example: Mathew 12:
11.“And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?”
12.“How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.”
{Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery?}
Yes I do, one in particular on this topix site runs a pornography business. And pornography propagates human sex trafficking, abuse to women, children and teens.
The other malformed Atheist,“Blacksheep,” doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

I'm homosexual. I just am. I couldn't help it, Eagle. It wasn't a choice.

Am I damned?

[Eagle12]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Look! If my god hasn't stopped slavery, it doesn't really matter because you haven't stopped it either? ROTFLMAO!
I am more powerful than your god? ROTFLMAO!
Have you no shame?

At least once a day you repeat this same ole argument about slavery in the bible. Like you really have something.
We have debated it a thousand times over. Yet you just keep bringing the same ole argument over and over.

It’s called Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD).

Man you need Dr. Phil.

[Eagle12]

TheBlackSheep wrote:

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Well, your god never said that slavery was wrong!! If fact, your god gave laws that told us how to own slaves for as long as they lived!
Stop crying about slavery! Your god is all in favor of it.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD).

Man you need Dr. Phil.

[madscot]

Eagle12 wrote:

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Even Jesus was accused of working on the Sabbath.
There are professions that require 24/7 service. Such as Fire Depts, law enforcement, hospitals, all emergency services, National Defense, manufacturing, electrical power, natural gas supply and so forth.
Jesus gave the following example: Mathew 12:
11.“And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?”
12.“How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.”
{Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery?}
Yes I do, one in particular on this topix site runs a pornography business. And pornography propagates human sex trafficking, abuse to women, children and teens.
The other malformed Atheist,“Blacksheep,” doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

So you admit to cherry picking your morals from the OT. Ok.

Eagle12 wrote:

Yes I do, one in particular on this topix site runs a pornography business. And pornography propagates human sex trafficking, abuse to women, children and teens.

I know, you christians are despicable for supporting the porn industry.

Eagle12 wrote:

The other malformed Atheist,“Blacksheep,” doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

You don't know what I or any other atheist give a sh!t about. You seem to forget that your god condoned slavery. Aren't you going against your god's will by not owning any? Or are you just cherry picking again?

[Eagle12]

River Tam wrote:

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I'm homosexual. I just am. I couldn't help it, Eagle. It wasn't a choice.
Am I damned?

You are a person who deserves to be loved. God does love you. There’s nothing wrong with having close friends you love and care about. Your needs and desires can be fulfilled in Gods love. You have a certain toughness that you project.

Most likely from the events in your life that have shaped you. But behind that force field is a person who desperately wants peace, love and security. In your inner being there remains a hunger that you haven’t been able to fulfill.

Many times in your life you have been hurt. You’re tired of being hurt. So you go on sometimes strong and other times weak. Often you are in a survival mode.

Are you damned? Certainly not, God can and will save you. You are far from being damned.

[Eagle12]

Givemeliberty wrote:

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Pornography Leads to Human Trafficking
by CitizenLink Staff
An interview with Patrick Trueman, former head of the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the U.S. Justice Department

Citizen magazine conducted this interview in May 2008.

Citizen: Please elaborate on your congressional testimony when you stated that pornography is what fuels the demand for illicit sex. How does that work?

Trueman: One of the most vivid memories in my 20-some years of battling pornography and sexual exploitation is a trip I made to New York City with the former head of the Paul and Lisa program, which works to get child prostitutes off the streets in New York and other cities. It was 2 a.m. We were in the meat market section of New York, which, of course, was closed then. But in a two-block area there was a traffic jam of primarily college kids – and others as well, adults, but a lot of them were college kids – driving into this two-block area to have time with child prostitutes and some young adult prostitutes. These were probably 15 to 21, 22.

You could hardly move. It was like the busiest part of Manhattan in rush hour. The SUV in front of me had a group of college kids who pulled this girl in from the back of the SUV, opened up the back and pulled her in so all these guys could have sex. On each side of you as you would drive down the street there was car after car with young men having sex with these young prostitutes, many of whom are children. There was a van parked there with one young man having sex, with all his college buddies standing outside the van, cheering him on.

Now, these aren’t kids who just happened to be in the meat market section of Manhattan at 2 a.m. These are kids who spend their time on Internet pornography, buying magazines with pornography, looking at cable television pornography. These people are consumed with pornography, and such people very quickly reach the point where they want the real thing – i.e., sex. So, they’ll have sex with a prostitute or anyone else who’s available. And it says a lot about our college culture, and this was 10 years ago. You have to believe it’s gotten worse today, and those kids are now 28 to 30 years old – they’re out in the work place, broken marriages, those who are married might be diseased from the prostitutes, they’re having children.

Citizen: The other side has successfully repositioned porn as a free-speech issue with legal protections. Is there any way to reawaken Christian conservatives who have gone to sleep on this issue?

Trueman: The dominant issue for Christians over the last few years has been the defense of marriage, and that’s understandable, but at the same time there’s probably been far, far more damage to the fabric of our culture by pornography and sexual exploitation of women and children, and there has been only a relatively small amount of activity against pornography and little money to battle it.

Citizen: Do you think there’s some battle fatigue and disappointment on this issue that’s set in?

Trueman: Well, there’s some of that going on. I remember early on in the [George W.] Bush administration when I was surprised to find out that [Attorney General John Ashcroft] was not the least bit interested in fighting pornography. That was evident by his actions. We couldn’t motivate Christian leaders to battle him on that. Now, fortunately Citizen magazine ran a cover story on his failure to prosecute. It was a heck of an article. But there wasn’t much else, and when I would talk to Christian leaders, they’d exhibit surprise. They’d say,‘Oh, he’s a brother in the Lord. How can that be?’

[Eagle12]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You think there were websites 2000 years ago for Paul to own? No he just ordered a run away slave to rerun to his life of slavery. Something you approve of.
Human trafficking in porn? Daffy those girls compete for those spots! They hire agents and managers to get them a break into the business.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaha!
Hey who was the middle eastern man in your Dad's room? Stop DUCKing the question DAFFY!
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Pornography Leads to Human Trafficking
by CitizenLink Staff
An interview with Patrick Trueman, former head of the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the U.S. Justice Department
Citizen magazine conducted this interview in May 2008.

Citizen: Have you seen the shocking figure that between 40 to 80 percent of consumers of child porn go on to molest a child?

Trueman: Well, that’s old news, because we’ve always known that. Now, think about this – I left in ’93, and we were very vigorous on child pornography, and we’d get criticism from judges and from others who would say,‘Why are you demanding such a high sentence for this guy? He’s only a collector. There’s no evidence that he’s molested.’ And our response was,‘There’s no such thing as a collector who doesn’t molest.’

So, when you hear figures of 40 to 60, that’s because they’re not – those are inaccurate figures. It’s 100 percent. If they’re collecting child pornography now and they haven’t molested, they’re a new collector. People who are addicted to child pornography are molesters. You can talk to the FBI, the child exploitation people, the Postal Inspection service – the Customs Service used to have a terrific band of men doing this all around the country – they all will tell you the same: Collectors of child pornography are molesters of children.

[Eagle12]

madscot wrote:

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So you admit to cherry picking your morals from the OT. Ok.
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I know, you christians are despicable for supporting the porn industry.
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You don't know what I or any other atheist give a sh!t about. You seem to forget that your god condoned slavery. Aren't you going against your god's will by not owning any? Or are you just cherry picking again?

I have never owned a slave. Never treated anyone like a slave. I grew up in a time civil rights movement was taking hold in the 60’s. As a child I didn’t fully understand what was going on.

As I grew older I began to see discrimination against blacks and whites as well. You see bigotry is not unique to one class of people.

I’m not going to lie to you. There are some Christian men addicted to porn. Why lie about it. It’s a highly addictive product. It’s very damaging to society as a whole. But not only are Christians addicted but people from every walk of life including Atheist.

The selective cherry picking goes on mostly on your side of things. At least once a day “Blacksheep” post about slavery in the bible. Never taking up the cause of modern slavery. That’s a bit hypocritical in my view. And yes I do know he doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

And this OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder)
on his part repeats over and over and over.

[River Tam]

Eagle12 wrote:

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You are a person who deserves to be loved. God does love you. There’s nothing wrong with having close friends you love and care about. Your needs and desires can be fulfilled in Gods love. You have a certain toughness that you project.
Most likely from the events in your life that have shaped you. But behind that force field is a person who desperately wants peace, love and security. In your inner being there remains a hunger that you haven’t been able to fulfill.
Many times in your life you have been hurt. You’re tired of being hurt. So you go on sometimes strong and other times weak. Often you are in a survival mode.
Are you damned? Certainly not, God can and will save you. You are far from being damned.

What is the reward?

I already have my life. Is there something else?

[Givemeliberty]

Works of fiction don't do anything other than entertain. Humanity created your God. They did this for when they felt alone, sad, or felt awestruck and wonder at what they saw but didn't have the answers to explain it away.

Humanity is now growing up and it is time to put away childish things.

Eagle12 wrote:

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God didn’t stop Cain from killing his brother Able.
God is not a Dictator. If he was you would already have been hung or shot. There are laws on the books in most countries against slavery.
Did God put it into the heart of Abraham Lincoln to make a bold stand against slavery?
Did God allow the North to defeat the South?
Did God allow apartheid to be abolished in South Africa?
People like you are always criticizing the bible yet you don’t say a damn thing about modern slavery. There is a reason for that, you don’t give a sh*t.

[Givemeliberty]

Linkless spam from George W. Bush's people? Ignored and rightfully so.

Eagle12 wrote:

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Pornography Leads to Human Trafficking

[Givemeliberty]

More linkless soam that you made up or edited. Ignored and rightfully so. Time to grow up Daffy.

Awesome song to get the day going!

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Now that is real music!:)

Eagle12 wrote:

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Pornography Leads to Human Trafficking

[madscot]

Eagle12 wrote:

I have never owned a slave. Never treated anyone like a slave.

Good for you. Too bad your God commanded people to take others as slaves. At least you're more moral than the deity you worship.

Eagle12 wrote:

I’m not going to lie to you. There are some Christian men addicted to porn. Why lie about it. It’s a highly addictive product. It’s very damaging to society as a whole. But not only are Christians addicted but people from every walk of life including Atheist.

Yes, and every walk of life works together to eliminate slavery in all forms.

Eagle12 wrote:

The selective cherry picking goes on mostly on your side of things.

Really? So why don't you fight as hard against coveting as you say you do against slavery? Slavery isn't even in the big ten like coveting is.

Eagle12 wrote:

Never taking up the cause of modern slavery. That’s a bit hypocritical in my view. And yes I do know he doesn’t give a sh*t about slavery.

Yes, and everyday we hear christians complaining that gays getting the right to marry goes against God. I mean, here you are fighting against something your God condones yet, you think gay marriage is an abomonation.