Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Feb 23, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I am one single tiny node on a very vast network of info flow. Can't two or three of you geniuses use math to figure it out?
You make a claim, but provide no evidence yet require *other* people to provide the evidence for *your* claims. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
You do have all of that dark energy and dark matter, and virtual particles. Surely you can find something in there.
Simply to verify your imaginations? Why You don't have any solid predictions. You don't have anything that even remotely resembles a thought-out theory. All you have is some vague intuitions. We see such things everyday all day. Without some supporting evidence, there is no reason to pursue your intuitions as opposed to all the other intuitions that have similar lacks of evidence.

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You can't say exactly the same thing at all. Computers are just telgraph machines, bursts of linear energy. Organic is a lot more loop and periodicity oriented.
More vague claims. I really fail to see any significant difference here.
What you can do with both is read the EM emissions and save to disk before the power goes out.
Which, in either case, would not carry nearly enough information to reconstruct the running programs.
As it is, Mr. Einstein, you have all that dark matter and dark energy interacting with what matter we have. Right? Have you read any info flow in them?
If they can influence matter as we know it, then matter can influence it.
The one thing we know about dark matter is that it doesn't interact with EM strongly if at all. That is why it is dark. All we have seen from dark matter is gravitational interactions.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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I just noticed you changed your avatar. A very attractive young woman with a violin. Is that you? If so, thank you.
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You're welcome, Dave.
The violin is borrowed.
You must have quite the collection of things like this you post when you can't come up with something intelligent to say. Maybe a few warehouses full?

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Feb 23, 2013
 
Working for the Lord wrote:
<quoted text> Christians don't support porn, that would be an oxymoron, not to mention a sin.
A multi billion dollar industry. 70% of the country claims to be christian. Who do you think is buying it?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What did God say about slavery?
To whom?
When?
Why?
Read the fu[king bible.

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A few Atheist bring up biblical slavery all the time. Never say a word about ongoing slavery. The fact is they donít give a damn about slavery. If they did they would be an advocate against it, but their not.
Iím the one that has to remind people that slavery is ongoing issue even today in nearly every country in the world. Lackadaisical attitudes works for slavery and not against it.
Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery? If that's what you think then you need to own it.

And the reason atheists even bring up Bible slavery is because you people won't stop trying to force your chery picked morals on everyone else in this country. Homosexuality is an abomination, but it's ok to work on the sabbath?

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And niether have you. You don't give a damn about slavery.
If you did you would be trying to stop it.
Really? That is your ploy? That is your answer to your god hasn't done anything to stop slavery? Are you really that fu[king stupid?

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Eagle12 wrote:
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A few Atheist bring up biblical slavery all the time. Never say a word about ongoing slavery. The fact is they donít give a damn about slavery. If they did they would be an advocate against it, but their not.
Iím the one that has to remind people that slavery is ongoing issue even today in nearly every country in the world. Lackadaisical attitudes works for slavery and not against it.
Look! If my god hasn't stopped slavery, it doesn't really matter because you haven't stopped it either? ROTFLMAO!

I am more powerful than your god? ROTFLMAO!

Have you no shame?

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Eagle12 wrote:
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I ask that everyone not ignore the problems of human trafficking and slavery today.
Well, your god never said that slavery was wrong!! If fact, your god gave laws that told us how to own slaves for as long as they lived!

Stop crying about slavery! Your god is all in favor of it.
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madscot wrote:
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Do you really think that atheists help prolifirate illegal slavery? If that's what you think then you need to own it.
And the reason atheists even bring up Bible slavery is because you people won't stop trying to force your chery picked morals on everyone else in this country. Homosexuality is an abomination, but it's ok to work on the sabbath?
HARRINGTON, LORD. 19th century British statesman. Opposed admission of Jewish immigrants to England because:
"They are the great moneylenders and loan contractors of the world... The consequence is that the nations of the world are groaning under heavy systems of taxation and national debt. They have ever been the greatest enemies of freedom.(Speech in the House of Lords, July 12, 1858)

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Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You can't say exactly the same thing at all. Computers are just telgraph machines, bursts of linear energy. Organic is a lot more loop and periodicity oriented.

What you can do with both is read the EM emissions and save to disk before the power goes out.

As it is, Mr. Einstein, you have all that dark matter and dark energy interacting with what matter we have. Right? Have you read any info flow in them?

If they can influence matter as we know it, then matter can influence it.

Oh, looking at that solar wind stuff I posted I see they measure it in protons cm3. 4 or 5 seems to be average. You are the math guy. This is a steady stream of mass, so this should be mostly constant all the way back to the sun. A long ways. From the time a portion of that stream is emitted to the time it takes to reach earth, how much mass from that starting batch all the way to that hitting earth would be emitted? This includes all cm3 packets possible hitting the earth. In addition, can you translate that to some total energy numbers, conductance values and other useful info for that quantity of mass and velocity? Electrical potentials included?
What kind of dressing would you like with that?

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More vague claims. I really fail to see any significant difference here.
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Which, in either case, would not carry nearly enough information to reconstruct the running programs.
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The one thing we know about dark matter is that it doesn't interact with EM strongly if at all. That is why it is dark. All we have seen from dark matter is gravitational interactions.
Or incorrect gravity calculations, which the creation of dark matter would make the numbers crunch to make them "right". Easier than getting a different take on how things work.

How things should work versus how they do work. That is the difference between a math head physicist and a real physicist.

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Feb 23, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Your notions of theism and its capabilities is extremely limited.

Your mind can go no further than this earth and what is in it. Theists can actually go beyond the universe.
Well...YOU certainly are out there.

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polymath257 wrote:
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More vague claims. I really fail to see any significant difference here.
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Which, in either case, would not carry nearly enough information to reconstruct the running programs.
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The one thing we know about dark matter is that it doesn't interact with EM strongly if at all. That is why it is dark. All we have seen from dark matter is gravitational interactions.
"Which, in either case, would not carry nearly enough information to reconstruct the running programs."

Oh?

Probably would if you knew the code and architecture. That may be written down around someplace.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Or incorrect gravity calculations, which the creation of dark matter would make the numbers crunch to make them "right". Easier than getting a different take on how things work.
How things should work versus how they do work. That is the difference between a math head physicist and a real physicist.
Tell me, out of all the things that we have figured out in the past 500 years, how many ended with; Goddidit?

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Well...YOU certainly are out there.
Looking down at you.

Get some Rogaine.

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Or incorrect gravity calculations, which the creation of dark matter would make the numbers crunch to make them "right". Easier than getting a different take on how things work.
How things should work versus how they do work. That is the difference between a math head physicist and a real physicist.
The thing is Dave the numbers work and make nearly perfect predictions. The only problem is on a galactic scale the
inverse square law seems to be violated. There are many possibilities
why this is so. Dark matter explains it better than any other reason anyone has come up with yet. There is evidence this is correct too , so it's not just stuff made up to satisfy the math heads.

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The thing is Dave the numbers work and make nearly perfect predictions. The only problem is on a galactic scale the
inverse square law seems to be violated. There are many possibilities
why this is so. Dark matter explains it better than any other reason anyone has come up with yet. There is evidence this is correct too , so it's not just stuff made up to satisfy the math heads.
It is all based upon the identification and definition of the physical forces from long ago. All formulas and expectations are based on those. Very simply, the observations at that time may have been close approximations good for the time and total knowledge for the time, but they have failed as knowledge has advanced. If they failed, they are wrong. The basic model needs revamping.

The only claim they can give for "detecting" dark matter, or even the normal nuclear particles, is because of old math models. They really haven't "seen" this stuff. Just measurements on a dial calibrated to the old models.

There is a lot of bullshit in theoretical physics.

The real knowledge will come from R&D in existing technology, not those guys.

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Eagle12 wrote:
<quoted text>I found it interesting but Atheist won't bother to read it and that's a shame.
Lol!

Not with crap like this in it:

"Studies of psychics show only around 8% of their predictions come true and virtually all of these can be attributed to chance and a general knowledge of circumstances."

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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It is all based upon the identification and definition of the physical forces from long ago. All formulas and expectations are based on those. Very simply, the observations at that time may have been close approximations good for the time and total knowledge for the time, but they have failed as knowledge has advanced. If they failed, they are wrong. The basic model needs revamping.
The only claim they can give for "detecting" dark matter, or even the normal nuclear particles, is because of old math models. They really haven't "seen" this stuff. Just measurements on a dial calibrated to the old models.
There is a lot of bullshit in theoretical physics.
The real knowledge will come from R&D in existing technology, not those guys.
Well, they haven't really seen wind either. Just sayin

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