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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#156156 Feb 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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What's wrong with you?
La tuya.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156157 Feb 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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What's wrong with you?
Catcher1 wrote:
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La tuya.
Yo momma? To yourself?

What's wrong with you?

Since: Jan 13

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#156158 Feb 24, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You have a unique way of deluding yourself into believing in the imaginary. There is no such thing as
"inbuilt knowledge that God gave us". When we are born we no concepts of anything other than how to breathe and cry.
Following your scenario you must admit you know nothing.
So why tell us anything?
How do you know there is no such thing as inbuilt knowledge?

That is an absolute truth claim.

To make that claim, you have to have ALL KNOWLEDGE.

You don't have all knowledge, so your claim is just an arbitrary expression of your desires.

Since: Jan 13

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#156159 Feb 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Do you know what a false dichotomy is? Sure you do!
Why is it a false dichotomy?

God reveals Himself to humanity through the absolutes He created.

Those that deny God realise this, so they deny absolutes rather than accept God.

Reducing themselves to absurdity.

Since: Jan 13

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#156160 Feb 24, 2013
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Have you observed Pluto? Does Pluto orbit the Sun?
Since you have not observed Pluto, it must not exist!
Observing Pluto is not quite the same as observing the Big Bang...

False analogy.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156161 Feb 24, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You have a unique way of deluding yourself into believing in the imaginary. There is no such thing as
"inbuilt knowledge that God gave us". When we are born we no concepts of anything other than how to breathe and cry.
Following your scenario you must admit you know nothing.
So why tell us anything?
Babies develop personalities pretty early.

Since: Jan 13

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#156162 Feb 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You have been reduced to copy and pasting Hovind arguments again I see. You have already been humiliated on this several times before. I know it sounds good to you as it's an attempt to baffle them with bullsht.
Here's the problem though. When you ask someone for proof of something that actually exists they can demonstrate actual testable observable evidence. They don't need to rely on these mental gymnastics two penny parlor tricks that you must employ. The very fact that you and your ilk can only employ these word games demonstrates that you deep down realize there must not be a deity, otherwise such tactics would not be necessary yes?
It's time to put away childish things.
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The Truth is self evident by nature of it being the truth.

Arguments that oppose it will by nature be illogical and will be forced to manifest their absurdity.

Truth reveals itself and error, when reduced to its absurd conclusion, also reveals the truth.

So as long as I can show you your atheism is absurd, which is not hard to do, then it removes it as a valid rebuttal to the truth...

You of course want to pre-suppose atheism is true, but the problem is that it an absurd position that is easily refuted.

Remove atheism and what is left?

Since: Jan 13

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#156163 Feb 24, 2013
Desperate ad hominem?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#156164 Feb 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Catcher1 wrote:
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What's wrong with you?
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Yo momma? To yourself?
What's wrong with you?
My magnetism draws you to me, eh?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#156165 Feb 24, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>Been there.

When I stand in front of the saviour and he asks me: "Are you worthy of being in Heaven?"

I'll say, "I'm just here for your leg."
Lol!

Since: Jan 13

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#156166 Feb 24, 2013
Atheism refuted:

Without God, "absolute knowledge" of anything is impossible.

Atheism denies God, so cannot claim anything is absolutely true.

Therefore it cannot state anything is true or false as it has no mechanism of absolutes by which to measure truth.

Absolutes obviously exist, therefore atheism is reduced to absurdity.

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I am hoping that just one of the atheists here understand the argument and can give a rational response to it...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#156167 Feb 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>There is abundant evidence, and it has been presented. That doesn't mean it is conclusive.

You are a liar, Plymouth. Evidence means absolutely nothing to you. Your view of science is religious in nature. You are no different than a holocaust denier or a Noah's flood proponent. All that differs is the subject matter.
Up yer meds.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#156168 Feb 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>It was never about "equality".

It was about "endorsement".

Equality was already in force - a gay person could not marry another of the same sex, and neither could a straight person.

That's equality. The agenda is "endorsement".

Left-wingers are great at shrouding their agenda in nice-sounding words - like "equality".

See: Changing "gun control" to "gun violence control".
You make Dave look sane.

Since: Jan 13

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#156169 Feb 24, 2013
To know anything "absolutely", you have to know "everything".

^^Athiesm's death knell...

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#156170 Feb 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How do you know there is no such thing as inbuilt knowledge?
That is an absolute truth claim.
To make that claim, you have to have ALL KNOWLEDGE.
You don't have all knowledge, so your claim is just an arbitrary expression of your desires.
Yes you're right , we are born with a full education.
That's why school isn't important, and we don't have to put our parent's through our getting education, puberty and learning how to
function in society.

Some may inherit a greater ability in aptitude, but inherited knowledge is is like your assertion of absolutes and a false dichotomy. We will try to pretend for a minute that you type anything but biased and false conclusions.

The minutes up , and you still fail the test of veracity.

NEXT!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#156171 Feb 24, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Not really. Here in the U.S., the government determines that if you work, you must work a portion of the year for the federal government, and they get to set the percentage.

Involuntary servitude. That's slavery.

That's also why the founders specified in the Constitution that this would not be permitted.

Then came liberalism.
You want to pay for the mental institution that keeps the rest of us safe from you?

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#156172 Feb 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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My magnetism draws you to me, eh?
No. Your aberrant behavior is just very noticeable.

Hitting the sauce?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#156173 Feb 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Your model of gravity is based on the inside working out. Some magical force emanating from the nucleus. This is what the Big Bang is derived from. You are totally ignoring this universe being created from the outside pressing in. I have posted quite a bit about space being a super liquid type medium that formed whirlpools and closed spheres of whirling space forming "particles", and the density differential caused by that motion being gravity.

Why is modern physics so focused on looking out and determining how the universe was formed instead of looking backwards to see how it could be formed? We have the knowledge and the technology to follow that path.
We have French, Italian, Blue Cheese, Red Wine Vinagrette and House.

Which would you like?

Since: Jan 13

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#156174 Feb 24, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Yes you're right , we are born with a full education.
That's why school isn't important, and we don't have to put our parent's through our getting education, puberty and learning how to
function in society.
Some may inherit a greater ability in aptitude, but inherited knowledge is is like your assertion of absolutes and a false dichotomy. We will try to pretend for a minute that you type anything but biased and false conclusions.
The minutes up , and you still fail the test of veracity.
NEXT!
Didn't realise there was a timer...

So you are saying that humans have no concept of logic built into them?

That they learn this?

If that is true, those not taught formal logic are incapable of logic.

Of course, transcendentant knowledge exists (laws of logic, recognition of absolutes), so your argument for education supplying the basis of all knowledge falls down quickly.

Take as long as you want to answer.:-)

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#156175 Feb 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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No. Your aberrant behavior is just very noticeable.
Hitting the sauce?
Only at evening time.

And when I do, it won't come in a cardboard box.

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